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Jan-08-17 | | ZonszeinP: Please correct the result of the Larsen-Spassky match of 1968 on that site.
It's Spassky who won,
And not the other way around
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Jan-08-17 | | diagonal: Indeed, Boris Spassky won, must be a typo in the survey. I'm a regular kibitzer on this website, but not the owner / webmaster, I submitted a correction slip. http://www.ajedrezdeataque.com/ features many chess tournaments in Spain and international series in a huge overview, a special focus on famous women winning a major tournament plus portraits and palmarès of selected players, an exciting and outstanding chess site by <Javier Cordero Fernández>, even if you don't speak Spanish. |
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Jan-09-17 | | ZonszeinP: Thank you |
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Jan-24-17
 | | Troller: <Joshka: Interesting, Larsen played Fischer some 12 times I believe, and Karpov 23. Did he ever give his opinions on who he felt was stronger?> I don't think Larsen ever predicted a winner in a Fischer-Karpov match, basically because he did not believe that Fischer would defend his title. He said something about Fischer getting increasingly afraid of losing (as in not living up to his own expectations); to lose against someone younger than himself would be even worse, and to lose against a Russian would be unforgivable. Hence - Larsen's theory goes - Fischer would have too much to lose in a match vs Karpov. As for who was stronger, Larsen would of course always claim that he himself was at least equal to anyone else (he even claimed to have a decent chance against Kasparov in the mid-eighties when he was way past his own peak and 50 years old). He had plenty of respect for both players though and has annotated several brilliant wins by both. He would often criticize Fischer for putting too much faith in the bishop pair (mostly when he was younger) which, however, mainly boils down to this game: Fischer vs Larsen, 1959 He would criticize Karpov for having a tendency to get the bad bishop (in his annotations to Karpov vs Larsen, 1979 he gave that as the reasoning behind 5..Bg4); also he once remarked that Karpov sometimes was too satisfied with a draw as Black, although "it happened that he played for the win immediately". Larsen has written extensive amounts of journalism so probably somewhere there is more on the subject; but he would have been reluctant to compare the two directly, as it would somehow diminish his own stature I think. |
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Jan-24-17
 | | keypusher: <Joshka> That was a nice interesting response by Troller....I would add only that, after either the Petrosian or Spassky match, Larsen was quoted as saying he would have done much better -- this was after Fischer had beaten him 6-0, of course. Larsen was a great chessplayer and always had interesting things to say, but objective evaluations of other masters was not his strong point. |
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Jan-24-17 | | Howard: Larsen was always one of eternal optimists of the chess board. Didn't he, by the way, put part of the blame for his 0-6 loss to Fischer on the unusually hot summer that plagued Denver during the time that the match took place? |
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Jan-24-17
 | | WannaBe: <Howard> Thanks for internet, we can see what the temperature was for July 1971!! https://www.wunderground.com/histor... =)) |
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Jan-24-17
 | | offramp: <wannabe> flaming Nora. Those are high temperatures. It's like 15 Tunguskas sellotaped to 115 Hiroshimas! |
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Jan-24-17 | | parisattack: We've been huli-huli on this topic a few times over the years on cg.com. :) I don't recall it that hot but then I was young (21) at the time. I certainly don't recall the auditorium where the games were played as hot - but then again, it has been a few years. I attended the games with Bill Riley who had been State Champ in 1968. Larsen said something to the effect that Fischer was more prepared for the heat... Then he proceeded to move to Argentina where summers are very hot (and humid). Fischer looked and moved sharp; Larsen...not so much. 'Frumpy' is the way I can best describe it. I've always been a big fan of Larsen's chess - I hurried downtown during the rush hour one night in 1970 after the bookstore called and said his Games tome was finally in stock! I had my best tournament results playing the Sicilian Pelikan after seeing Larsen's game against Robatsch in that book. Soon, the Pelikan was all the rage at the university chess club - all thanks to Larsen. But he's said some 'interesting' things over the years as <keypusher> notes. Given he was sure he was #1 at the time, one can imagine a 6-0 blitzing had to smart some. I do clearly recall that by the third game everyone was already anticipating 6-0. I think it is safe to assume Fischer was just the better player at that time. |
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Jan-24-17
 | | tamar: chessboard temperatures reached 110 F |
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Jan-24-17 | | TheFocus: Well, Fischer was white hot! |
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Jan-24-17 | | parisattack: <TheFocus: Well, Fischer was white hot!> Indeed he was! And clever, also - getting Larsen always on the side of the board that was 110 f. Still, Larsen was a wellspring of innovation in the 1960s and 1970s, bringing back quite a few openings and variations from the dead. He was winning with the Sveshnikov when Evgeny was still a Young Pioneer:
F Olafsson vs Larsen, 1959 Larsen wrote that the Pelikan was one of his ‘mass destruction weapons’ in simultaneous exhibitions in a 1963 article in Skakbladet. |
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Jan-24-17 | | Shams: <And clever, also - getting Larsen always on the side of the board that was 110 f.> /Rimshot
Fischer also had you to loan him books, though I'm assuming if Larsen had inquired you'd have given him access as well. |
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Jan-24-17 | | TheFocus: Your borrowed books probably ended up in DD's library. Maybe you should ask him? Have you seen the new Lasker book by DD? $800!! |
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Jan-24-17 | | parisattack: Howdy <Shams>. Yes Fischer via John Harris put the call out for some books and I responded. Sure, would have assisted Larsen as well. Interesting that one of the books Fischer requested was the Sicilian book by Gligoric and Sokolov - https://www.amazon.com/Sicilian-def... (A nice book BTW - too bad no other volumes were done.) Perhaps Fischer anticipated something like Larsen's lemon ...Qc8 in Game 3? |
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Jan-24-17 | | parisattack: Hi <TheFocus> I got the Sicilian book and Larsen's Games back - signed - but he absconded with the Trifunovic Grunfelda tome. I heard somewhere that someone else also loaned the Grunfelda, so perhaps some confusion along the line. I have not seen the DD Lasker - $800..I dunno on that one. Did you order one of them? Assume at least in a slipcase for that many dineros. |
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Jan-24-17
 | | MissScarlett: <Didn't he, by the way, put part of the blame for his 0-6 loss to Fischer on the unusually hot summer that plagued Denver during the time that the match took place?> < WMD: Interviewed for New In Chess, the view that his career never fully recovered from the whitewash to Fischer was put to him. "No, I don't see that. After losing the match in 1971 I win Hastings and I win Teeside. Immediately."Asked whether he had analysed what went wrong with the match, Larsen complained about having to play on Fischer's home ground in the United States and the heat in Colorado. "They had the hottest summer in that place in 35 years. And very, very dry. This is not for me. I cannot sleep. It is absolutely impossible. After Round 2 I asked to see the doctor. The bad thing is that the doctor is part of the organization. He just thought I am someone who always runs around with high blood pressure and doesn't believe that I am not...I have to just put down my foot and leave or I have to play on. I didn't put down my foot."> Bent Larsen |
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Jan-24-17 | | parisattack: The doctor found nothing amiss? Guess no prescription for Fischer Fear. Seriously, his symptoms sound more like someone not adjusting well to the high altitude. We had guests from Florida once who had never been much above sea level. The both got high BP and were 'languid' from it. Sleeping in a hotel with no A/C even in 1971 and even in a cow-town like Denver would have been strange tho not impossible I suppose. The two hosts - John Powell and John Harris I am *sure* would have taken the best of care of him. My vague recollection is that Fischer came to town a few days early; Larsen just under the wire. Perhaps someone else who was there will remember if that is correct or not. Sadly, I believe all the fine folks who would have known details of accommodations and such have gone to the big Chessboard in the Sky. If not, they are old like me and forget to get dressed in the morning before going out-and-about, much less able remember what happened 45 years ago! ;) Again - all said and done - Fischer was simply the better player at that time. |
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Jan-24-17 | | TheFocus: <parisattack> <I have not seen the DD Lasker - $800..I dunno on that one. Did you order one of them? Assume at least in a slipcase for that many dineros.> I am not buying it.
I thought I would remind you that my birthday is coming up... |
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Jan-24-17 | | parisattack: Mine, too! I bet <Shams> would like to treat us each to a copy! |
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Jan-24-17 | | Shams: I'd love to buy a round of rare books but I can't find the bell, sorry gents. |
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Jan-25-17
 | | offramp: <Asked whether he had analyzed what went wrong with the match, Larsen complained about having to play on Fischer's home ground...> Denver is 885 miles from Chicago and 1,614 miles from New York. I do see that it is "home ground" in that Fischer is American but Denveroids would not be overly partisan, surely. How much does home advantage matter in a chess match anyway? |
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Jan-25-17 | | ZonszeinP: The wave of "negative" energy..
Knowing that 90% of the people wish you to lose..
Even Spassky mentioned that it was hard to play Tal (in 65) and Fischer for that matter (in 72) because he knew he was not the favourite in people's heart...
For what it's worth |
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Jan-25-17 | | Howard: Regarding offramp's comment, one can argue that playing on one's "home ground" can be a disadvantage, at least when it comes to chess. It puts more pressure on the "home" player, especially since he would probably not want to lose in front of the "home" crowd. In other words, Fischer might have been at a disadvantage, as far as the venue was concerned. |
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Jan-25-17 | | ZonszeinP: Larsen would have ended up losing even in Denmark,
But not 6-0...
What bothers me about such a result is that many people remember Larsen as one of the guys who lost 6-0 to Fischer...Such a talented and original player!! |
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