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Gioachino Greco
Greco 
No authentic image of Greco is known to exist.
This fanciful rendition appeared in Julio Ganzo's
Historia general del ajedrez, 3rd ed.
(Madrid, 1973), p. 88.
 

Number of games in database: 90
Years covered: 1620 to 1625
Overall record: +88 -0 =0 (100.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 2 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 King's Gambit Accepted (19) 
    C33 C34 C37 C38 C39
 Giuoco Piano (17) 
    C54 C53
 Bishop's Opening (10) 
    C23
 King's Pawn Game (6) 
    C40 C20
 Philidor's Defense (4) 
    C41
With the Black pieces:
 King's Pawn Game (6) 
    C40 C20
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GIOACHINO GRECO
(born 1600, died 1634, 34 years old) Italy

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Gioachino Greco, also known as Il Calabrese, was born around 1600 in Celico, Italy near Cosenza in Calabria. In 1619 in Rome, Greco started keeping a notebook of tactics and games, and he took up the custom of giving copies of his manuscripts to his wealthy patrons. These manuscripts offer the most definite facts about his life. There are four Roman manuscripts, two of uncertain date, but the other two clearly dated to February 1620. 1621 finds him in Nancy, France where he dedicated a manuscript to the Duke of Lorraine. He may have visited Paris in 1622, as most histories claim, but the evidence is thin. By 1623, he was in London, where his manuscripts begin to include longer games. In 1624-1625, Greco was in Paris, and his manuscripts from this visit show the continuing refinement of his game.(1)

Details concerning the rest of his life are speculative, relying almost entirely upon a brief account by Alessandro Salvio. According to Salvio, Greco ended up at the court of King Philipp IV in Spain, and from there followed a Spanish nobleman to the West Indies, where he died. As Salvio's text was published in 1634, that is given as the year of his death. Salvio also reports that he bequethed his fortune to the Jesuits. It is also possible that he was robbed to or from his visit to London, and restored his fortunes in Paris. There is speculation contrary to Salvio's claims, based on a 1734 description of a manuscript that is no longer extant, that Greco was back in London in 1632. If true, it gives credence to the long discredited assertion of William Lewis that he died at an advanced age.(2)

Greco published his analysis of the contemporary chess openings (Giuoco Piano, Bishop Opening, King's Gambit, etc.) in the form of short games in manuscripts 1620-1625, but several extant manuscripts are of uncertain date. In 1656, Francis Beale transcribed 94 of Greco's games into a text that was published by Henry Herringman in London.(3) Whatever manuscript was Beale's source no longer exists. A French edition of Greco's games, based on still extant manuscripts, was published in 1669. This text formed the basis of the collections published by William Lewis (1819) and Louis Hoffmann (1900), which in turn formed the sources for today's databases. Both Lewis and Hoffmann offer many variations that are not yet collected in databases. Lewis found 146 variations, which he reduced to 47 games. Hoffmann expanded the number of games to 77, reducing the number of variations appended to each one. Greco's games are regarded as classics of early chess literature and are often taught to beginners.

Jeremy Silman observed, "There are many games which show Greco toying with his hopelessly over-matched opponents, and one gains the impression that he was a master of tactics and of open games, and that he was so far beyond other players of his time that it was, in effect, a case of a grandmaster versus players rated between 1000 and 1800. Once in a while, Greco would face someone who could fight back, which allows us to see Greco's positional skills. It is possible that some, or even all, of the games were fabricated, but even if they were inventions they still show a chess understanding centuries ahead of his time. . . . There never was, and never will be again, a player so far ahead of his time."(4)

(1)Wikipedia article: Gioachino Greco
(2)Peter J. Monté, The Classical Era of Modern Chess (McFarland 2014)
(3)Wikipedia article: Francis Beale (writer)
(4)https://www.chesshistory.com/winter...

Last updated: 2023-09-23 00:12:15

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 page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 90  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. NN vs Greco 0-181620UnknownC37 King's Gambit Accepted
2. Greco vs NN 1-0101620UnknownC34 King's Gambit Accepted
3. Greco vs NN 1-091620UnknownC33 King's Gambit Accepted
4. Greco vs NN 1-0111620UnknownC33 King's Gambit Accepted
5. Greco vs NN 1-0101620UnknownC33 King's Gambit Accepted
6. Greco vs NN 1-0101620UnknownC31 King's Gambit Declined, Falkbeer Counter Gambit
7. Greco vs NN 1-0121620UnknownC30 King's Gambit Declined
8. Greco vs NN 1-0231620Italy?C37 King's Gambit Accepted
9. Greco vs NN 1-0201620Miscellaneous gameC54 Giuoco Piano
10. Greco vs NN 1-0191620Miscellaneous gameC54 Giuoco Piano
11. Greco vs NN 1-0181620Miscellaneous gameC54 Giuoco Piano
12. Greco vs NN 1-0141620Miscellaneous gameC54 Giuoco Piano
13. Greco vs NN 1-071620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
14. Greco vs NN 1-091620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
15. Greco vs NN 1-0141620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
16. Greco vs NN 1-0171620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
17. Greco vs NN 1-0201620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
18. Greco vs NN 1-0141620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
19. Greco vs NN 1-0171620Miscellaneous gameC53 Giuoco Piano
20. NN vs Greco 0-1131620Miscellaneous gameC50 Giuoco Piano
21. NN vs Greco 0-1141620Miscellaneous gameC50 Giuoco Piano
22. NN vs Greco 0-1151620Miscellaneous gameC50 Giuoco Piano
23. Greco vs NN 1-0151620Miscellaneous gameC42 Petrov Defense
24. Greco vs NN 1-0211620Miscellaneous gameC41 Philidor Defense
25. Greco vs NN 1-0111620Miscellaneous gameC41 Philidor Defense
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Mar-09-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: If he came back today he'd need a couple of hours to catch up on theory then he'd be world champion again. Chess really is that easy.
Apr-10-14  Conrad93: Great player + way ahead of his time + domination over his contemporaries= greatest player ever, therefore Greco is the greatest player ever.
Apr-10-14  Conrad93: The same reasoning used by Morphy fanboys.
Aug-18-14  Ke2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGX...
Jan-09-15  Avun Jahei: When I play the Giuco Piano (rarely) I usually play the moves of Greco's game Nr 45 (with White!), for it was the first game I studied in my life when I was a child. At least one time the resulting game was allmost exactly like the historical one

So I guess - though those games are certainely composed - he too did actually play most of them. Maybe more than once. Because they are, for the most part, just illustrations of common opening traps.

Jan-09-15  Avun Jahei: Giuoco Piano of course.
Jan-26-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <perfidious: NN certainly wasn't displeased to see him pass on, I'm sure. Had the two never met, there would be a mere 480 losses against NN's ledger.>

As you can see from the game list, Greco was so much NN's bĂȘte noire that he beat NN twice 10 years before he (Greco) was born!

Jan-26-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <FSR> Superior talent will out!
Jan-22-16  Solomon2003: wow 100% incredible result
Jan-22-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <Solomon2003: wow 100% incredible result...>

Dear <Solomon2003>, welcome to chessgames.com. I really think you'll enjoy it here. Because it is a chess site, nearly everyone is a bit clever so it is usually a civilised place.

I have read your posts and I think you're going to be a valuable contributor here. Just find a game you like, then comment on it!

Feb-04-16  Solomon2003: thanks offramp
May-06-16  Christoforus Polacco: In my opinion Greco had great chess talent as Anderssen, Morphy and Tal. If it were the ''time machine'' and it was the possiblitity for Greco to work with Kasparov as Gioachino's teacher at the age of 20 - Greco would be very strong grandmaster of modern time. Like Ivanchuk for example.
May-25-16  Wulebgr: Someone should compile all of Greco's games and fragments from his MSS. This selection of 79 is paltry. He has close to 200 in his MSS.
Jan-29-17  zanzibar: Vintage early-period <offramp>:

<<offramp>: If Greco was given a few days to catch up on theory he would slaughter Kasparov, Kramnik et al! ;-)>

Gioachino Greco (kibitz #25)

The irony remains, even if the smileys have disappeared.

Jan-29-17  zanzibar: Botterill, p15 in his <Open Gambits> book writes:

<The analytical biography of the gambit is a sad story, with no hope of a happy ending for the gambiteer. In a way that is in keeping with the fate of Gioachino Greco (c. 1600-c.1635). There is a tale that, having won some 5,000 crowns by overcoming France's leading players in 1621, he was robbed of all his prize money by outlaws while visiting England in the following year. During his lifetime he peddled manuscripts on chess openings to wealthy patrons. When these were collected and published after his death they became enormously influential for more than a century. Yet in the long run his pioneering analyses were received with little gratitude, since masters who came after him - like Stamma and Philidor - were more eager to stress their own superiority than to accord credit that was due.>

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Jan-29-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: Well who did Greco learn the game from? Every game is NN. Much too strange.
Jan-30-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: < zanzibar: Vintage early-period <offramp>: <<offramp>: If Greco was given a few days to catch up on theory he would slaughter Kasparov, Kramnik et al! ;-)>

Gioachino Greco (kibitz #25)

The irony remains, even if the smileys have disappeared.>

I did a slightly funnier version of the same thing at Mephisto (Computer) (kibitz #15).

Apr-30-17  sorrowstealer: Even Morphy played games to almost every infamous people (just you know some of their name and can put it)and here Greco was from 17th century
May-04-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: <dumbgai> Agree, this whole thing about GRECO is like most of our MSM "fake news" He's got games in 1590 and born around 1600..LOL So he learned chess from?? He NEVER lost a game??....these are all arranged, faked, ect.
May-04-17  Petrosianic: <Joshka>: <Agree, this whole thing about GRECO is like most of our MSM "fake news" He's got games in 1590 and born around 1600..<LOL So he learned chess from?? He NEVER lost a game??....these are all arranged, faked, ect.>

That's an insanely stupid argument. "None of his losses have been preserved, therefore he never lost a game at all, therefore none of his wins are real.

You might as well argue that 2+2=Purple.", therefore Purple is a small golfing umbrella.

May-04-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: Gawdam, has the fake news craze migrated here, too? Enough already--take that horsebleep to the Rogovian mosh pit.
May-04-17  Petrosianic: You forgot to mention the fact that he was such a good player even though he only played 79 games in his whole life. If we're going to be silly, at least take it to the logical conclusion.
May-05-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: Two games from 1590, then all the rest 30 years later!!!LOL....man you folks here are so gullible!!!
May-05-17  Petrosianic: One sure thing about Joshka, when he makes a mistake, he always doubles down on it rather than being big enough to admit and correct it. (In this case, the mistake being that the database contains 100% of a player's games). It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't make so MANY.
May-24-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: It must have been mentioned before but recently I've been reading how poor Greco's opponent were.

These games are from the book 'The Chess Games of Greco' by Hoffmann which is misleading as Hoffman himself states these games were made up.

From the preface of Hoffmann's book.

"Of his contests over the board, unhappily, no records remain; but he left to succeeding generations a legacy in the shape of a collection of imaginary games...."

Nowhere in the book does Greco give his name or any other name. It is always 'White' and 'Black.'

He analysed the opening and closed with usually a sparkling finish for effect and was showing us what wonderful things could be done with the chess pieces.

We actually owe him a great deal. His book printed round about 1620 helped keep chess alive and fired the imagination and inspiration of all who read it for a few 100 years.

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