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| Jun-16-08 | | benjinathan: <I'm actually not sure what is wrong with co-champions, by the way.> I agree. It is certainly far better than what happened here. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Petrosianic: <No, but his argument was that the US Championship title should go to the strongest player, and the best way to determine that> The <best> way would have been an annual match... ...Or maybe not. Reshevsky vs. Fischer every year could have gotten boring. <is by double round robin, or a similar format that doesn't reward luck or punish poor early form.> What kiboshed that was lack of money and lack of time. Most of the other top US players then had real jobs (even Reshevsky) and couldn't get enough time away to play 22 rounds. Some even played in the championship and worked their regular job at the same time, which was a severe handicap. That's why the proposal to double the length of the tournament was voted down 11-1. It was ridiculous of Fischer to opt out of a Zonal over that. 11 rounds or 22, his chances of failing to win the tournament were low, and his chances of failing to finish in the top 3 (which is all it took to qualify for the Interzonal) were zero. Of course none of that has anything to do with the present situation. Fischer never discussed how best to <tiebreak> the US Championship. <And Fischer's invention of time delay was also intended to prevent time scramble fiascos like this one> True, but with or without time delays, Fischer would have had nothing to do with a blitz playoff for a national title. He'd probably cite it as evidence of how little we cared about it, and he'd be right. Incidentally, I'm sorry if you forgot who you had that discussion with, but I think you have to agree that I in no way set you up for that embarrassment. You walked into it on your own. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Riverbeast: <Incidentally, I'm sorry if you forgot who you had that discussion with, but I think you have to agree that I in no way set you up for that embarrassment. You walked into it on your own.> I don't remember every conversation and every post I've made and responded to on this site, Petrosianic. I'll tell you one I DO remember, though, since you're still starting fights and continuing those that are months old (and talking about some sort of 'embarassment' to boot). I remember that you were sniping in your byotchy little way, the way you're doing now, and I asked you settle it by playing a match. You responded with several more byotchy comments (deja vu!) but never actually sent me an FICS username for yourself, and a time to play. I assumed that was the end of it. Apparently not. It seems you still have a "hard on" for me (don't take that expression literally by the way - at least I hope it's not literal, although now I have reason to wonder - but in my neck of the woods that's a figure of speech). Since you're itch for a scrape has not subsided, you should know that my match offer was a standing one. In fact, it's 6:45 PM Eastern time, and I'm available right now if you'd like! |
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| Jun-16-08 | | centercounter: <Petrosianic: <No, but his argument was that the US Championship title should go to the strongest player, and the best way to determine that> Ratings :P
Seriously, the US Championship is a tournament and doesn't even pretend that the title should go to the strongest player. Otherwise, why invite state champions and other sub-top-rated competitors. The "strongest player" may have a statistical edge, but there are a lot of other factors that go into the "best result" of the tournament. I agree with some others - I don't see anything wrong with co-champions either! And the way this was handled by the USCF was absurd. By making this a public affair, she shot whatever small chance she had of getting the USCF to save face by declaring co-champions. I hope she didn't hurt her invitation marketability with such behavior. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Travis Bickle: <michAdams How about Ukraine?> According to Susan Polgar's chess blog she published an interview with Anna Zatonskih a few days ago, Anna has moved to Germany from Ohio to be with her husband GM Daniel Fridman. Its a decent article that addresses the Championship game with Irina. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Riverbeast: Forget about invitation marketability, she should refuse to play if next year's championship has a similar tiebreaking system. Otherwise there's no point in complaining about the rules if you do nothing to change them |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Phoenix: There is a problem with co-champions, although it is slight. As it is set up now, the US Men's and Women's champion gets an automatic spot on the Olympiad team. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | RookFile: Unless your name is Anna Hahn. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Vollmer: Good Point Riverbeast . |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Jim Bartle: Yesterday Tiger Woods and Rocco Mediate tied for first place in the US Open golf tournament with 283 over four days and 72 holes. They determined the champion with a quick-putting contest on the 18th green. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Phoenix: <RookFile: Unless your name is Anna Hahn.> Point taken. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | blacksburg: honestly, i feel for krush, and no serious event should be decided by a game at this time control. it's just silly. but krush knew that this was a possible outcome before she began the tournament. if you don't like the conditions, don't participate in the event. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | silas75: <Jim Bartle: They determined the champion with a quick-putting contest on the 18th green.> Amusing, b/c I've heard several sports commentators complaining that the full 18-hole playoff (US Open) was anachronistic, and preferred a several hole playoff (British and Masters). |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Vollmer: Continuing the golf analogy : After watching the 18 hole playoff (which was quite exciting) and the 1 hole sudden death playoff , it should be obvious that the 18 hole part was a better test of which golfer was 'better' . It was better for the viewers and clearly showed that sudden death invariably favors one golfer over the other . I think the same is true in chess . |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Jim Bartle: I watched an edited repeat of Monday's playoff last night. Just great, except the announcers almost ruined it by constantly TELLING us it was the most dramatic, the sweetest, the most historic match in fifty years, that finally somebody was standing up to Tiger Woods, etc. I mean, we're watching it, we see it, don't need to be told every five seconds. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | centercounter: <blacksburg: honestly, i feel for krush, and no serious event should be decided by a game at this time control. it's just silly.
but krush knew that this was a possible outcome before she began the tournament. if you don't like the conditions, don't participate in the event> Hardly an option. If you want to become US Champion (with all the perks) then you cannot choose not to play. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | centercounter: <Phoenix: There is a problem with co-champions, although it is slight. As it is set up now, the US Men's and Women's champion gets an automatic spot on the Olympiad team.> And in the case of co-champions, aren't they both deserving? If a choice has to be made, let them play a match over the Internet for only the indivisible items, such as Olympiad invites. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Petrosianic: <centercounter> <Hardly an option. If you want to become US Champion (with all the perks) then you cannot choose not to play.> However, you can choose to complain about the rules before the tournament, if you want to have any credibility complaining about them afterwards. Let's see what effort she makes to have them changed for next time. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Kafkaesque: Perhaps some patzer already mentioned this, but Irina would not have descended into time trouble if she hadn't been wearing that darn faux leather jacket. Note how she had to pull up its sleeves several times during the game. That's why I wear nothing but a tank top while I play. I encountered some serious time trouble when I decided to wear my bathrobe and chiffon shawl during one blitz tournament: I was a tangled mess of fabric and limbs by the end of each game. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | MichAdams: And you can bet she's supporting Obama, as well.
All in all, I'm glad that the current US women's champion is Anna, albeit she's a Ukrainian, currently living in Germany. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Augalv: <MichAdams: And you can bet she's supporting Obama, as well.> And so what if she does?
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| Jun-17-08 | | wanabe2000: <MichAdams: And you can bet she's supporting Obama, as well.>
This is the kind of non chess items that put you on my ignore list. |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Vollmer: Wouldn't it be nice ... if the players got together and challenged the tourney rules . Well , thats the only way the system will get better . Of course , we've been waiting a long time for that . The GM's are giving new meaning to the term "fractured leadership" . Will someone please step forward and LEAD !?
Leadership is a rare and wonderful thing |
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| Jun-17-08 | | Vollmer: Oh ya , Jim , turn down the sound of corporate voices and enjoy the spectacle . |
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