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| Jun-14-08 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <I'm not at all surprised that idiots such as <Petrosianic> and <SetNoEscapeOn> would lie and say false things on this subject but for some reason it seems to be the entire chessgames forum that sides with Zatonskih.> Well my friend, perhaps one day you will be capable of unraveling this incredible mystery of why everybody seems unable to understand how right you are. Judging by the demonstration of your reasoning faculties (or lack thereof) so far, I for one will not hold my breath. So until then, by all means, continue your chant. I will even join in with you: *Zatonshkih was at fault, regardless of "rules". Who cares what the rules say? I am the authority on these matters, not some "argument" posted by the clueless Tom and all those national TD's and international arbiters that he quotes. After all, what can they know that I do not?* *Irina knocking down the Rook does not matter! Who cares what the rules say? If it is against the rules, then she did it only because Anna broke a rule first. And if that is not in fact a rule... Who cares what the rules say?* *I do not need to explain why these things are so! If you can't see it, you must be an idiot like those fools <Petrosianic> and <SetNoEscapeOn>. They post these "arguments" that clearly show how stupid they are. They cite that moron Tom and his silly bunch of international arbiter and national TD idiots. One wonders how they even direct tournaments, they know so little about the... rules...?* Now I am only going to join in with you this one time; such braying really is not to my taste. But I know that you are more than capable of taking it from here. No matter what your evaluation of my abilities might be, I have full faith in you. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | utssb: <blah blah blah. Try actually reading the report from the TD:> I have, and probably long before you did. Your point? |
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 | | lostemperor: Krush not only pushed her rook off the board, she also knocked over her pawn on b2, with which she conveniently took Zatonskih pawn when it advanced to c3. Unintentionally of course. In both cases Zatonskih could have made a succesful protest or push the clock demanding her opponent to set the piece correctly which no doubt would win her a second each and, with so little time, the game also. Krush, with 6 seconds to 2, should of course also have played on time and she could have made it on the clock, although in these cases the player with her hand moving closest to the timer-device has a great advantage. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | cannibal: <utssb: ... Your point?> Lol. Dude, you need to wake up. People have made their point on this all over the place, whereas the only thing I've seen from you is the claim (accompanied by a couple of insults, but definitely not by such unneccessary things as actual "arguments") that all this was wrong. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | RookFile: Thanks cannibal. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | Vollmer: A very long and animated discussion here . I can't help but wonder how long it will be until we see a fistfight/brawl after one of these so called Armageddon games . |
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| Jun-15-08 | | sitzkrieg: Interesting comment at chessbase; why not play these armaggedon games on the computer..It would eliminate the possibility to move in anothers time or make illegal moves. |
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 | | OhioChessFan: I thought the same thing, <sitzkrieg> I just read the kibitzing here and <Rookfile> among others had already suggested it. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | StarJock: Irina and Anna are both excellent chessplayers and do the USA proud as our representatives in the universe of world chess. They are both young and will both go on and continue to improve and play even better chess. I look forward to seeing their future games played with normal chess time controls. I hope to never see either of them be subjected to playing in such an undignified game as an "Armageddon"! The USCF administration and President are to blame for allowing such a time control for a champiosnhip playoff match. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | Travis Bickle: At the moment Anna has moved and is living with her husband in Germany. She said she misses the U.S. |
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| Jun-15-08 | | MichAdams: <At the moment Anna has moved and is living with her husband in Germany. She said she misses the U.S.> How about Ukraine? |
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| Jun-15-08 | | sitzkrieg: <<Rookfile> among others had already suggested it.>
Oops missed that, my bad. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | pawn to QB4: <The USCF administration and President are to blame for allowing such a time control for a champiosnhip playoff match.> Spot on. Some years ago the second division of our club championship ended in a tie. The staff of the pub wanted to go home, so we would only have had time to settle things with a five minute game. It was rightly decided that a matter of such importance shouldn't be resolved by a trivial blitz game, so they played off the following week. What would Fischer have made of this shambles? |
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| Jun-16-08 | | RookFile: Fischer stopped playing in USCF championships because they wouldn't make it a double round robin. Had it been a double round robin, a tie is quite unlikely. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | pawn to QB4: I guess so. The folks split over the question of a single round robin at classical controls, or a double, at classical controls. To have stuck a hand in the air at that meeting and spoken up for Armageddon tie breaks...I'd have admired the chutzpah, but not the respect for chess. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | minasina: <US Women's Armageddon – reactions from our readers> http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp... |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Riverbeast: <Fischer stopped playing in USCF championships because they wouldn't make it a double round robin> Yes, and Fischer bashers to this day like to interpret that to mean he was "afraid" of losing the title. It's quite obvious that it was not his opponents he was afraid of....it was the possibility that the title would be decided by a fiasco similar to this. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Petrosianic: Interesting. You admit it and deny it at the same time. I never said he said he was afraid of being outclassed, I said he said he was afraid of losing the title. Which he did. Your knee simply jerked and assumed the rest. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Riverbeast: Interesting. You assume I was referring to you....This is not the first time I've made a comment and you thought it was in response to your posts and yours only, when in fact it wasn't. Truth be told, the world doesn't revolve around you and your opinions. Perhaps you should settle your own knee down, jerky |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Petrosianic: <Riverbeast> <Interesting. You assume I was referring to you....> No mystery there. I simply remember having this exact discussion with you within the last month. Are you saying you <don't> remember? That would explain a lot? |
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| Jun-16-08 | | PhilFeeley: <it seems to be the entire chessgames forum that sides with Zatonskih.> Well, I for one disagreed with that many pages ago. A blitz playoff for a classical tournament (especially right after the last game, which for Krush was a difficult 100+ move draw) is absurd in my opinion, anywhere, any tournament. Why abandon the other methods? If they're going to have a playoff at least make it classical controls and on the next day. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | PhilFeeley: <Riverbeast: It's quite obvious that it was not his opponents he was afraid of....it was the possibility that the title would be decided by a fiasco similar to this.> Did they have blitz playoffs in his day? |
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| Jun-16-08 | | RookFile: The simple answer, PhilFeeley, is no, they didn't have blitz playoffs. Reshevsky and Kashdan had a match to declare a single champ. In other years, there have simply been co-champions. I'm actually not sure what is wrong with co-champions, by the way. |
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| Jun-16-08 | | Riverbeast: <Did they have blitz playoffs in his day?> No, but his argument was that the US Championship title should go to the strongest player, and the best way to determine that is by double round robin, or a similar format that doesn't reward luck or punish poor early form. And Fischer's invention of time delay was also intended to prevent time scramble fiascos like this one |
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| Jun-16-08 | | square dance: <utssb> <Wrong. Zatonskih moved within Krush's time and that is the action which decided the game. Had Zatonskih played fairly and waited for Krush to hit the clock no Rook would have been knocked over. In fact there wouldn't have even been a time scramble since Krush was far ahead in seconds.> you obviously are clueless as to the rules of chess. when that changes let me know and we can discuss why you are wrong. you may want to consider knowing your facts a bit better before you go around telling people they're wrong. |
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