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| Jun-05-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <Honza> This is an excellent post! I haven't heard from GM Yusupov despite having sent an e-mail to the address on his website. Oh well, no big deal. I saw a video on the 1993 Kasparov-Short Match - it was phenomenal! Very entertaining match!
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| Jun-05-12 | | uscfratingmybyear: <call me TC> "There were no hostilities in 1939, and as king of chess he probably felt entitled to remain castled behind the front ranks." By 1939 Germany had already taken Poland, France was at war with Germany and the British were landing troops in France and fighting along side the French. |
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| Jun-05-12 | | unferth: Germany didn't invade Poland until September 1939, and there was little fighting on the Western front for many months. until May 1940, many people believed the war would be settled quickly with few casualties in the West. |
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| Jun-06-12 | | whiteshark: <LoveThatJoker> re Yusupov in 1993 I've checked all 1993 issues of the German chess magazines "Schach-Report" and "Rochade Europa", but there was no comment/interview etc re his 'exclusion' from the Fide WC. Additional thoughts:
- There was only a small timeframe for Fide for a decision (to get a championchip up in the same year as the Kasparov-Short match (for legitimacy reasons)). - Therefore a new 'candidate match' with Timman, Karpov and Yusupov wouldn't work. - If I'm not mistaken back in 1993 Yusupov though living in Germany was still with the Russian chess federation - who without doubt were 100% Karpov supporters. In 1st half of 1993 Yusupov played a few of tournaments with mixed results, he wrote a new book of his series with Dvoretsky and his family had an addition - so it seems to me that he had made the best out of the situation. |
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| Jun-06-12 | | LoveThatJoker: <whiteshark> Thanks a lot for your kind reply, man! I remember I asked you that over a week ago. I'm genuinely thankful that you remembered! LTJ |
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Aug-24-13
 | | offramp: This must be one of the most incongruous web pages to have a discussion about the Alekhine Nazi articles. |
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| Jun-20-15 | | zanzibar: What <offramp> said. |
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| Nov-04-15 | | Mr. V: So, what were the requirements to win the match? This seems like an important thing to be missing from an introduction. |
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| Nov-07-15 | | thegoodanarchist: Timman was completely outclassed, losing by -4, yet both wins were with the Black pieces. I find that quite intriguing. |
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May-27-20
 | | alexmagnus: Both 1993 matches featured the largest and second largest Elo difference in a WC match ever, including all the disputed matches and FIDE KO finals. Kasparov-Short: 150 points difference
Karpov-Timman: 140 points difference. |
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May-27-20
 | | beatgiant: <alexmagnus>
Although there were no Elo ratings in 1910, surely Lasker - Janowski World Championship Match (1910) is worth a mention when discussing the largest strength gaps in a WC match.Edochess rankings (1910): Lasker 2732, Janowsky 2511, gap 221 points Chessmetrics rankings (Nov. 1910): Lasker 2820, Janowsky 2647, gap 173 points |
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| Sep-02-22 | | Allanur: With my current mind, I think I would have never ever played this match.
It is just like accepting remnants of someone's fame. Especially for a person who had career of Karpov, it us unacceptable. You were World Chess Champion for 10 years, you dominated tournaments, you were beaten in the semi-final of the current championship cycle - the chance for championship has been brought in front of you. And you take it? Karpov... Karpov... You were the man that was resenting to assume the championship by default even if it was not your fault - 18 years later, you are almost begging for the title. Pity... |
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Sep-02-22
 | | HeMateMe: Timman did win two games.
The blame falls on Kasparov, for turning professional chess into professional wrestling. |
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| Sep-02-22 | | thebully99: This match was illegitimate.
You can't have a world championship match between losers. You can only have a match between winners. |
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Sep-03-22
 | | plang: There are other examples - for instance Kramnik "earned" his shot against Kasparov after losing his match to Shirov. |
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Sep-03-22
 | | Williebob: You can call it a "FIDE World Championship" without claiming the winner is the best player in the world - Khalifman said as much after winning his title. But, of course, nobody will like that title applied to anyone who isn't the #1 rated player, or very close to achieving it. (Kramnik being an interesting exception, ranking #1 only briefly in years he wasn't WC).
The FIDE matches and tournaments during the Kasparov Insurrection were great events, chess-wise. The titles were an unfortunate distraction, but then what else could FIDE have done during that period? Credibility was on the line! |
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| Sep-03-22 | | nok: <you were beaten in the semi-final...> Kasparov might have lost a semifinal too, had he played it. We'll never know. |
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| Sep-03-22 | | Olavi: <thebully99: This match was illegitimate.
You can't have a world championship match between losers. You can only have a match between winners.> Wrong. FIDE's rules catered for all possibilities of Champion, Challenger and their substitutes refusing to play the match. Kasparov and Short refused. <plang: There are other examples - for instance Kramnik "earned" his shot against Kasparov after losing his match to Shirov.> Shirov - Kramnik and Kasparov - Kramnik were played under two completely different organizations. Brain Games, the organizers of K-K London 2000, had no responsibilities at all towards Shirov. There is no connection. |
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| Sep-03-22 | | thebully99: < Wrong. FIDE's rules catered for all possibilities of Champion, Challenger and their substitutes refusing to play the match. Kasparov and Short refused. > Kasparov and Short had major disputes with the way corrupt FIDE was arranging the match, which led them to form their own association. It's a fact that Short won an official, undisputed Candidates tournament whereas Karpov and Timman lost (Karpov didn't even make it to the finals). It's a fact that Kasparov was the world's strongest player. A match between those who lost the Candidates can never be legitimate. That's like having a 2023 title match between 3rd place Hikaru Nakamura and 2nd place Ding Liren. Complete devaluing of the title. |
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Sep-03-22
 | | MissScarlett: But what did you expect FIDE to do in response? Meekly cave in and simply hand over the keys to the world title to Kasparov? Forget Short, he was merely along for the ride. The PCA, of course, was never arguing that it should completely replace FIDE and its constituent national/regional bodies. They envisaged FIDE continuing largely as before - organising the Olympiads, championships for women, seniors, juniors, etc., training arbiters, awarding titles - in other words, all the necessary and humdrum administrative work. They merely wanted to skim the lucrative cream off the glamorous top. |
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| Sep-04-22 | | Olavi: Clearly Kasparov and Carlsen must be declared Champions for Life, with absolute control of all things Chess World Championship, with neither claim devaluing the other's title in any way. Thank God Bobby died. |
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| Sep-04-22 | | RookFile: Fischer should have done what Kasparov did. Just play matches outside of FIDE. He could have arranged a match with Gligoric in 10 minutes, but better still would have been a Korchnoi match. I think either one of these guys would have agreed to play by Fischer's rules. |
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| Sep-04-22 | | Olavi: The Gligoric - Fischer match was made in 1978, Bobby came to Belgrad in 1978, then backed off. Therefore Gligoric was no longer so keen on winning the FIDE presidential election in Buenos Aires, and Olafsson was a good choice. |
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| Feb-18-23 | | Allanur: Here is how that Gligorich match proceeded (and failed), compiled from Gligorich's interview he gavein Antwerp in 1989 and other contemporary newspaper reports: At first Fischer was keen to play but he was negotiating everything as privately as possible. Yugoslavs were granting him everything Fischer asked, no any objection. When Fischer arrived at Yugoslavia in 1978, he was not even stopped for passport control - he was just immediately taken to a villa prepared for him. Fischer's main demand was that till everything is sealed, everything must stay as private as can be. The press was aware of these negotiations (Fischer did not attempt to hide it, either, nor did he object to it), even the head of the Serbian chess federation, Milos Milanovic, was talking about the match to the press. But the problem came when one of the mediators from Germany leaked Fischer's then up-to-date photo into the press: Boom! Fischer wss hiding his face, he grew a beard so that he is unnoticed by the public but that German organizer exposed his face!
According to Gligorich's interview in 1989, Fischer still did not abort the process but he made demands that was so impossible to be accepted and the match negotiations gave out.
In the Lone Pine tournament of 1979, Gligorich said that "Million dollars prize is ready, but Fischer is not available". |
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Mar-19-24
 | | Tabanus: <(Yusupov may have also been considered an equally rightful participant, but was excluded by FIDE decision.)> Not true, he lost the Timman - Yusupov Candidates Semifinal (1992). |
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