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| Mar-20-08 | | percyblakeney: Very nice game by Carlsen, and now he's only ½ point from the top three. |
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| Mar-20-08 | | joebuck: And Gelfand resigns... Cute game by Carlsen!! |
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| Mar-20-08 | | rogge: Impressive games from Moro and Carlsen so far today - More to come :) |
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 | | Peligroso Patzer: <percyblakeney: Very nice game by Carlsen, and now he's only ½ point from the top three.> ... and sole leader in the blindfold competition. |
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| Mar-20-08 | | minasina: Time to switch here: Amber Tournament (Rapid) (2008) Live games starting at 17.45 CET (GMT +1) |
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| Mar-20-08 | | ahmadov: Damn, Shark loses another blindfold game today... |
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| Mar-20-08 | | Manequinho: In blindfold games, what happens if a player tries to play an invalid move? (Let's say, there is another piece in the way, the player in question forgot it, but the move cannot actually be player) |
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| Mar-20-08 | | Udit Narayan: <Manequinho> I am not 100% sure but I believe that the player requesting the forbidden move resigns the game. |
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| Mar-20-08 | | cannibal: <Manequinho>, <UditNarayan> I would say nothing happens, except for a sign that it's an illegal move. In round 4 Gelfand claimed to have made a (legal!) move that the computer didn't accept because of software error. Gelfand was so short on time at that point that he lost it on time, but he certainly didn't get forfeited for playing an illegal move. Would be a bit harsh; even in "normal" chess you don't lose if you play an illegal move. The worst thing would be touch-move-rule plus maybe time penalty. |
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| Mar-20-08 | | pawnofdoom: Hmm, would this "resign on making illegal rule" not apply for blindfold chess? 'cause it would be weird if you get forfeited for making a typo. |
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| Mar-20-08 | | ahmadov: <cannibal: <Manequinho>, <UditNarayan>
I would say nothing happens, except for a sign that it's an illegal move.>
Yes, there is no problem in making an illegal move in blindfold chess... You will just waste some time... |
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| Mar-20-08 | | BAG: Honestly who cares about blindfolded games |
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| Mar-20-08 | | ganstaman: <BAG: Honestly who cares about blindfolded games> Me. And it seems many other people, based on the kibitzing here. Honestly, what sort of answer did you expect? 1) The games are still of a higher quality than my own, so I can learn from them. Even moreso here than in other games because of the opening choices. I have rarely gone as deep into theory as these players usually do, so when their openings and theory-intensiveness is more like that of my games, I can learn even more. 2) It's fun. I like to see what they can do when 'blindfolded.' Have you ever been to a circus? |
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| Mar-20-08 | | Jim Bartle: Boy, that kid just keeps getting luckier and luckier. |
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| Mar-20-08 | | Augalv: <Jim Bartle: Boy, that kid just keeps getting luckier and luckier.> Who? |
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| Mar-20-08 | | malthrope: <cannibal>, <Manequinho>, <UditNarayan> & <ahmadov> The Rules of Blindfold play at Melody Amber re: 'illegal moves' are: "Rules for the blindfold games"
Rule #6: If a player makes an illegal move, the monitor will display the message: "Illegal move, make another move". In this case there is no need for additional action by the player. In addition in the case of a computer breakdown the Blindfold game is continued without the aid of the computer and the following rules now apply: "Regulations in case of computer breakdown"
Rule #7: If a player makes an illegal move, then the arbiter will say "Illegal move" and he will not push the clock. For example, if a player says "Rook takes d6" and the move is not a capture, then the arbiter will say "Illegal move", or if the player shows d1-d6 on the board and says "Queen d6", but the piece on d1 is actually a rook, then the arbiter will again say "Illegal move". There appears to be no limitations set on the number of 'tries' (just like in a 'Kriegspiel' game) a player may make in the attempt to make a legal move on the chessboard in the course of a Blindfold game at Melody Amber. PS: <ganstaman: <BAG: Honestly who cares about blindfolded games> 2) It's fun. I like to see what they can do when 'blindfolded.' Have you ever been to a circus?> ~lol~ I've never heard it put exactly that way but I like it! ;) You might also be interested in what I wrote here - Morozevich vs Topalov, 2008 - In the game - 'Morozevich-Topalov' - Amber Tournament (Blindfold) 2008 · Queen's Gambit Declined (D31) · 1-0 To which I added some astute comments on what a previous kibitzer said re: the fallacy of Blindfold play... I've been playing Blindfold chess since the age of 13 and it has always been (for me at least) both beneficial in a number of areas (including even the Promotion of Chess via Simultaneous Blindfold Chess Exhibitions) and as you say - A lot of fun! Much like being at the circus! :)) |
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| Mar-21-08 | | ahmadov: <malthrope> It is very good that you always make things clearer for us... Thanks for that! |
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| Mar-21-08 | | malthrope: <ahmadov: <malthrope> It is very good that you always make things clearer for us... Thanks for that!> Well, I do try as Blindfold chess is not only a favorite of mine but also a specialty! ;) You can read all about that in my CG.com Profile of <Current Chess Events> of Melody Amber and also in the postscripts re: my Blindfold simultaneous chess exhibitions. To say the very least, I'm a staunch supported of Blindfold chess and to see it played 'live' by the <Best of the Best> - I'm simply in 7th heaven! :^) Thanks <ahmadov> that was very nice of you to say! :) Regards, - Mal PS: Here is a link to a former ChessBase report which covered the rules of play for the 'Melody Amber Rapid & Blindfold Chess Tournament' in full detail (the rules are not posted on the official website but as far I know these specific rules have been in effect for quite sometime now). Melody Amber rapid & blindfold tournament (21.03.2006)... // http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
Just scroll down to the bottom for the 'Rules of play'. |
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| Mar-21-08 | | hitman84: Dang! I missed yesterday's round. Carlsen leading the Blindfold section is bit of a surprise. Aronian is leading the combined standings by a full point! |
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| Mar-21-08 | | shakkiseepra: Hi, can someone describe how the blindfold part works? How do the players indicate their moves? Are they even in the same room with the opposing player? Can they see anything, or are they 100 per cent blind? thanks in advance. |
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| Mar-21-08 | | percyblakeney: <shakkiseepra> They make their moves on a computer showing an empty board: http://www.chessbase.com/news/2008/... |
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| Mar-21-08 | | DCP23: <malthrope> Hi Mal, great to have you back in the audience here! Hope your visit to the doctor went well for you. Have a look at yesterday's rapid Kramnik - Topalov, it's an incredible game! |
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| Mar-21-08 | | LKor: In addition to the rich information given by <malthrope>, I would notice the following:
In “normal” computer-blindfold, when rule #7 does not apply, the players indicate their moves (by mouse, or keyboard) with starting field and destination field. The type of the piece is not mentioned and neither if is a capture, check, etc. I mention these as possible sources of “illegality” when rule #7 is in effect, but not in case of rule #6. An example is a Kramnik vs Anand, 2007 game, when playing 29…Rf2 Anand thought he was capturing white’s rook (actually Kramnik’s rook stayed at f1). He blundered, but nevertheless, he’s move was perfectly legal… |
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| Mar-21-08 | | minasina: Terve, <chesszebra>! Täällä on jotakin englanniksi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindf... |
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| Mar-21-08 | | percyblakeney: Morozevich's head-to-head advantage against Kramnik disappeared with their latest blindfold game, but he still has an impressive score against Anand and Topalov, in total 9-1 in decisive games (Kramnik has 7-6). |
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