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Jan-30-16
 | | MissScarlett: Another chess master who died in penury: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Jul-30-16
 | | FSR: Ironically, he played 1...e5 six times as often as his eponymous opening. |
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Jul-30-16
 | | HeMateMe: Perhaps this is his Horatio algorithm? |
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| Jun-17-17 | | zanzibar: RE: "Die Brüderschaft"
<The reprint of the first volume 1885 was a great challenge as the original was handwritten in Old German cursive writing, so at first it had to be transcribed into common Latin characters.> http://www.kwabc.org/images/publica... http://www.kwabc.org/index.php/kwa-... . |
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Jul-06-18
 | | offramp: He is the only chess player in history whose first and last names both end in <o>. |
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| Jul-06-18 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: *sigh*
Sandro Mareco Laszlo Szabo |
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Jun-24-19
 | | mifralu: In 1914, thousands of British civilians and merchant seamen, along with foreigners from other nationalities with British connections, were interned at the hastily constructed prisoner of war camp at Ruhleben racecourse by Spandau, near Berlin, Germany. Most would not see freedom from the camp until the end of the war, but managed to maintain a unique way of life for the four years of their unwelcome internment. < Caro
Caro was released from Ruhleben in January 1917, as reported in the Scotsman newspaper on January 31st 1917 ("British Civilians From Ruhleben", p.6). > http://ruhleben.tripod.com/id5.html
https://ia801702.us.archive.org/Boo... |
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Jan-06-22
 | | DanQuigley: Interesting. He didn't live too much longer after his release as a POW. I wonder if his inability to grow a real moustache was a handicap? |
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May-20-22
 | | Phony Benoni: You run into a lot of players who are identified with a single game, generally one they lost. You know, like Kieseritzy, or Dufresne, or The Duke and The Count, or Curt von Bardeleben, or Friedirch Samisch, or Donald Byrne. Off the top of your head, are you familiar with another game any of them played? Horatio Caro falls into this category, but has the fortunate distinction of having won his Only Game. |
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| May-20-22 | | Retireborn: <PB> I'm not sure which game you mean? Off the top of my head the only game of his I remember is a Caro-Kann(!) which he lost to Pillsbury. |
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May-20-22
| | Phony Benoni: <Retireborn> Sorry; I should have specified H Caro vs Lasker, 1890 |
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| May-20-22 | | Retireborn: <PB> Thanks. Actually I had not seen that game before. I've never been able to work up much enthusiasm for 19th century chess. |
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| Aug-07-22 | | wrap99: My understanding of the British workhouses is that they were deliberately not pleasant places. The sentence, "Discharged from workhouse, reason: dead." Right up there with Hemmingway's "Baby Shoes" short story as being one of the saddest ultra-short stories. One wonders the circumstances of Caro having to go into a workhouse but in our own time, more than one very good player has ended up in desperate circumstances. |
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Aug-07-22
| | HeMateMe: the workhouse was debtor's prison. |
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| Aug-07-22 | | wrap99: <HeMateMe> My understanding is that there were workhouses that were simply homeless shelters in which one worked to pay for room and board, such as it was. I do not know if one could be imprisoned for debt in England in the 20th century but it is certainly possible -- there are actually ways that this still happened until quite recently in the USA although this may have changed in the past decade or so. What I read was failure to pay hospital/medical bills in some states could result in imprisonment. It may still occur. |
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| Aug-07-22 | | stone free or die: RE: Workhouses
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<Paupers Behaving Badly: Punishment in the Victorian Workhouse>The deterrent workhouse, with its strict rules for the behavior of inmates and boundaries of authority of the workhouse officers, was a central expression of the Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834, known widely as the New Poor Law. ...
he workhouse was a central feature of Britain's New Poor Law Amendment Act of 1834, and discipline and punishment for transgressions were essential to the workhouse regime. Nassau Senior, a member of the Royal Commission whose report resulted in the act, wanted relief to the poor to be given only within “the strict discipline of well-regulated workhouses." He saw maintaining discipline as an essential part of enforcing deterrence and efficiently administering a workhouse full of resentful inmates; yet discipline was more problematic than in asylums or prisons, as workhouse populations were constantly changing. Senior wished to introduce the “workhouse test” as a measure of true destitution and the only means whereby paupers could receive poor relief in a workhouse.Moreover, workhouses were designed to deter the poor from applying for relief. This was achieved by their prison-like appearance, their location, often on the outskirts of provincial towns, and also by the separation of men, women, and children, the provision of hard work, and a highly regimented daily timetable. Discipline was essential because of the low ratio of staff to inmates; in Norwich workhouse in 1881, for instance, there were 529 paupers to twenty staff members.> https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour... |
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Aug-07-22
| | MissScarlett: Horatio doesn't feature on this list of prominent inmates of Ruhleben: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhle... Many of the released/exchanged prisoners - including Caro - returned home via Flushing. Never heard of it, but it turns out to be the Dutch city of Vlissingen, which I'd never heard of either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vliss... |
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Aug-08-22
| | HeMateMe: I was referring to the 19th, not 20th centuries. |
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| Aug-08-22 | | wrap99: <HeMateMe> He was in a workhouse in the 20th century. |
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Aug-08-22
| | MissScarlett: Like two bald men fighting over a comb. |
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| Aug-09-22 | | stone free or die: I have plenty of hair, and I'd still like to add a bit more on workhouses. Here's an overall review of their history, including a few https://www.historyextra.com/period... And here's a BBC article on a woman who grew up in a workhouse in the 20th century: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england... . |
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| Nov-29-22 | | wrap99: I have plenty of hair and I'd sure like that comb. |
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Mar-20-23
| | FSR: <From John Townsend (Wokingham, England): "Your feature article on the Caro-Kann Defence includes a request for information about Horatio Caro’s final years, and I can provide some information on his last two and a half months. The admission and discharge register, 1919-1921, of the South Grove Institution, Mile End Road, London, a workhouse, includes the following entry for an admission: "Date: Friday 1 October 1920
Name: Caro Horatio
Calling, if any: Laborer [sic] (Casl.)
Religious Persuasion: Hebrew
When Born: 1863
Infirm Adults: 1
Parish from which Admitted: Infirmary
By whose Order Admitted: Board’s
Date of the Order of Admission: 1.10.20."
In a separate discharge register for the South Grove Institution, an entry dated 15 December 1920 for "Caro Horatio", an infirm adult, records simply that he is "Dead". Both the above records can be viewed online.
He was buried in the East Ham Jewish Cemetery in a grave on which a plaque gives his date of death as 15 December 1920. A good photograph of the grave, provided by Geoffrey Gillon, can be seen on the Find A Grave website.’> https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... |
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| Jan-13-25 | | wrap99: <mifralu> I believe I read in The Making of the Atomic Bomb that Sir James Chadwick was interned in what had been a horse stable at that racecourse. Chadwick suffered some health problems due to this internment, but later discovered the neutron which had great importance indeed. |
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| Jan-14-25 | | stone free or die: Yes, <wrap99> - Chadwick was in Berlin working under Gieger at the time. He had been urged to return to England, but opted to continue working, underestimating the hazard. He was swept up in a general internment order.
https://www.aps.org/archives/public... Luckily, he survived the ordeal and went on to discover the neutron (leading to a Nobel prize), as you mentioned. |
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