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| Jun-01-06 |
| BaranDuin: http://users.skynet.be/schaakacadem... On this address you can find a Dutch Biography of Colle. (Who was a member of the sam chessclub as I am in.) |
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| Jun-01-06 |
| apawnandafool: his opening puts me in mind of the london system, so i read a little about this guy. the amazing thing is that people knew his opening, and expected him to play this against them. and he would. and he'd still win! <BaranDuin> is his opening popular at your club? <emperor> so, could you also say that his name is pronounced as the first two syllables of cauliflower? |
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Jun-02-06
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| whiskeyrebel: It's interesting how opinions differ on Colle's system. A guy at my club ranted not long ago about scholastic coaches who instruct their players to play systems like this; in his opinion it's much better to have kids come out guns a blazin' with an e4 open game. He thinks the Colle and the London and the Kia are gutless. I disagree..I think these plans are shrewd and help newer players learn to proceed carefully, methodically..and not pitch pieces in hasty testrone driven attacks. It's all a matter of taste though. One things for sure, if I face the guy in a club tournament with the white pieces he's gonna see me roll out old Edgar's system..he'll probably blow a gasket! |
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| Jun-02-06 |
| Bartleby: I personally think that these D-pawn openings (Colle, Torre, London System, Stonewall, Etc) are perfectly acceptable setups but a player shouldn't rely on them entirely for their repertoire, lest they become predictable and stale in their middlegames. The opening should have a degree of uncertainty, adventure, and innovation in it, otherwise one's middlegames rarely bear fruit. So someone should occassionally, yes, play the Colle but also learn a few e4 lines or d4/c4 lines to advance and expand their tactical development and recognition of differing "type" of positions. It also trains a player not to play "scared" in the opening. I speak from experience, going from a craven scholastic player ages ago who played the London System every single game as white to one who know plays all sorts of main-line e4/d4 openings (but still trots out a D-pawn system now and then, sometimes out of mood, sometimes to keep my opponent out of the loop). I think D-pawn systems are good training-wheels openings for eventually making the shift to playing more theoretical D4 openings like the Queen's Gambit and various White lines vs. the Nimzo/King/Queen's Indian, since some of the ideas are similar and transfer positively. (the games of Pillsbury are a good example of this) |
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| Mar-24-07 |
| 2021: Here is a way to refute your opponents try to try to stop you from playing the Colle System: 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 c4?! (Diagram)
click for larger view5.b3 b5 6.a4! Qa5 or (Qb6) 7.axb4 Qxb4 8.Nbd2 (Diagram) And the c4-pawn falls. 
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| Mar-24-07 |
| 2021: This is just to correct the previous diagrams to make it more clear:
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| May-18-07 |
| GrandPatzerSCL: What ailment did he die from? |
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| May-18-07 |
| mikejaqua: Given that I'm too paltry a player to have an "opening repertoire" it's funny that I found that I like playing the Colle opening. I guess it's OK, given that I was able to force a 1700+ player to accept a draw with it. (I'm not rated, but don't figure I could be more than 1400.) |
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| May-18-07 |
| wossip: The town is 'Weston-super-Mare' (not '...Marne'). It is in England. |
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| May-18-07 |
| centercounter: The Colle/Stonewall/Zukertort are, in fact, gutless. They are systems that white plays with little regard for Black moves (in most cases) and are played primarily by chessplayers who don't want to be bothered doing real work on their openings. |
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May-18-07
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| whiskeyrebel: centercounter, the fact is there have been a lot of skilled players who know theory better than you and I who choose to play these "gutless" openings. Two examples who frequent CG.com are Susan Polgar and Eric Schiller. Petrosian cut his teeth on the Colle and reversed Stonewall. I could come up with a much longer list. I agree with you that it's a good thing to work on openings though. |
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| May-18-07 |
| wolfmaster: Anyone think that had Colle lived later, he would have been awarded the title of grandmaster? |
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May-18-07
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| micartouse: <whiskeyrebel: in his opinion it's much better to have kids come out guns a blazin' with an e4 open game. He thinks the Colle and the London and the Kia are gutless.> It seems weird to compare these very different openings, but I'd say for kids Colle is very good (quick development, fast e4 break, tactical), London is decent but a bit positional, and KIA doesn't seem appropriate. But I'm no coach. |
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| May-18-07 |
| square dance: the colle should be ok for kids as long as they're aggressive with it. i dont think you should teach a kid to essentially give up the advantage of being white. stuff like the KIA and the stonewall 'attack' should be completely off limits imo. |
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May-18-07
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| micartouse: <square dance: the colle should be ok for kids as long as they're aggressive with it.> It depends on how much time they can commit to study; I think the Colle does a pretty fair job. The funny thing is kids being taught to start 1. e4 often end up in ultra-dry 4 knights game type positions. It seems kids are initially shy about shoving that second pawn right in the center and forcing a trade. They're more likely to play e4 with c4? than e4 with d4! |
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| May-18-07 |
| square dance: <The funny thing is kids being taught to start 1. e4 often end up in ultra-dry 4 knights game type positions.> this is a very good point. they should be taught to play 3.Bc4 and attack the f7 square. |
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| May-18-07 |
| MaxxLange: square dance - that's why I stopped playing the KIA. It just felt like I was giving up my White after a while. I started playing 2.d4 against the French . As for 3.Bc4, even then kids have the same problem, but they get into a symmetrical Italian Game, they don't know the Greco lines with 4.c3 or the Evans Gambit. Pandolfini had a great article about this in his "ABC of Chess" anthology - how to play the Very Quiet Game as White right, if you must play it - and the old Exeter Chess Club site had some nice handouts on the question of getting beginners out of that stage in their openings. |
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| Jan-17-08 |
| 2021: I believe that baton de colle means glue stick in french. |
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Jan-18-08
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| Calli: http://pedagosite.nexenservices.com... |
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| Jan-18-08 |
| 2021: And colle, in French, means tough question, I believe. |
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May-26-08
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| Sem: As for pronunciation of Colle's name: it is as EmperorAtahualpa says (Jan-10-06). |
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| May-18-09 |
| Cees Verhagen: Thank you for your legacy. |
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| May-18-09 |
| YoungEd: <GrandpatzerSCL> asked this a couple of years ago, but does anyone know what specific ailment(s) Colle had? I used to have Reinfeld's book of Colle's best games, but it had no details--just a remembrance by Hans Kmoch saying that Colle was always wracked with pain. |
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| May-18-09 |
| myschkin: . . .
<@Ed> He had the operations because of <gastric ulcer>. Addendum: Isn't his name Edgar<d> Colle? |
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| May-18-09 |
| YoungEd: Thanks, <myschkin>! |
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