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|Apr-21-12|| ||Check It Out: Our man Levon Helm
Were his drums made of elm?
It's his singing that gets you to stand
Now you'll just have to listen to The Band
|Apr-21-12|| ||tpstar: Dick Clark's time to leave
A staple of New Year's Eve
"American Bandstand" and his "Pyramid" game
The Times Square ball drop will never be the same
|May-25-12|| ||offramp: Boris Gelfand
Made a fool of himself and
Lost game 8 so quickly
He was finished academically.
|May-25-12|| ||FSR: I'd like to trouble you
with the sad tale of young Ray W.
A promising lad,
he went totally mad.
They locked him up in Kirby
and threw away the key.
|Nov-28-12|| ||OhioChessFan: Larry Hagman has died
After a wonderful ride
Everyone wishes they were JR
But I would rather have Barbara Eden call me Master when she popped out of the jar
|Nov-28-12|| ||OhioChessFan: Magnus is so great
When blindfolded with Judit
Could still concentrate
|Jan-06-13|| ||FSR: I suppose it would be in poor taste to nominate one of Weinstein's games for GOTD with the tag <Psycho>?|
|Jan-06-13|| ||perfidious: <FSR> Probably so, but why let the facts get in the way?|
|Jun-20-14|| ||OhioChessFan: Alas, songwriter Gerry Goffin
Today he lies in a coffin
Wrote a million great tunes
With Carole King but he's gone too soon
|Feb-22-15|| ||zanzibar: First look at comments for this player - a bit hard to see the reason for the poem/limerick theme... I'll have to go back over the comments to see who gets the blame - ha!|
Sorry no rhymes from me, instead I have a pointer to a USCF article about US world team chess championship at Leningrad (summer 1960), where Weinstein was a contributor:
<In the summer of 1960, for the first and only time, the USA won a world team chess championship ahead of the USSR. This achievement is still on a short list of the most significant events in American chess history, especially as it happened on enemy ground during the Cold War
Ray Weinstein played strong chess and shared the board three prize with Nikitin of the USSR, both scoring 7½ points out of 10 (75.0%). Saidy finished fourth among the board four players, with 4½ points out of 7 (64.3%) and Mednis ended up fifth among the first reserve players with the same record as Saidy (64.3%).
The news is perhaps sadder about Raymond Weinstein. He did well in U.S. championships from 1960-1963 and was awarded the title of international master after qualifying for the World Interzonal tourney as a result of finishing third behind Fischer and Lombardy in the 1960-61 U.S. Championship event. He chose not play in the Interzonal tournament. Unfortunately, around 1963-64 Ray began to exhibit erratic, even dangerous behavior, was reportedly diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia, and has been confined to mental institutions for more than 40 years. He is now 69 years old.>
<L to R: Raymond Weinstein, Jerry Spann, Eliot Hearst [author of article], William Lombardy, Charles Kalme, Edmar Mednis. Not pictured: IM Anthony Saidy.>
|Feb-22-15|| ||zanzibar: The poetry theme was started early in the forum, initially as haiku - the first being from User: woodenbishop:|
Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #14)
<Haiku (俳句, About this sound listen (help·info), haikai verse?) (plural: same or haikus) is a very short form of Japanese poetry typically characterised by three qualities:
The essence of haiku is "cutting" (kiru). This is often represented by the juxtaposition of two images or ideas and a kireji ("cutting word") between them, a kind of verbal punctuation mark which signals the moment of separation and colors the manner in which the juxtaposed elements are related.
Traditional haiku consist of 17 on (also known as morae), in three phrases of 5, 7 and 5 on respectively.
A kigo (seasonal reference), usually drawn from a saijiki, an extensive but defined list of such words.
Modern Japanese haiku (現代俳句 gendai-haiku?) are increasingly unlikely to follow the tradition of 17 on or to take nature as their subject, but the use of juxtaposition continues to be honored in both traditional and modern haiku. There is a common, although relatively recent, perception that the images juxtaposed must be directly observed everyday objects or occurrences.>
And so it begins...
Snow falling outside
forum posts get read inside
|Feb-22-15|| ||OhioChessFan: |
That is how it goes
If you should try to oppose
Don't step on our prose
|Feb-22-15|| ||zanzibar: So I decide to cull over the pages and manually put into effect my "group-filter" idea, specifically looking for biographical posts...|
So far up to page 6 and it's not looking good, only two haiku by <OCF> in the offering:
Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #105)
Both are actually pretty good.
Another find, 9 years later, is quite apropos -
Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #108)
<suenteus po 147> is still looking for games from <US ch (1960/61)>:
Biographer Bistro (kibitz #9669)
We've made some progress though, more than just Fischer's games are now on <CG>!
<offramp> offers this bizarre post from Sam Sloan:
Biographer Bistro (kibitz #9669)
Sam Sloan actually tracked Weinstein down for a visit (this might show up in the forum, but I'll put the link here):
It was a very bizarre visit, Sloan trying to establish some chess connection from the past with a patient who basically stares catatonically at Sloan during the entire visit.
Later, Sloan makes a public plead to get Weinstein "out of jail" (really, he is confined in a mental institute, not a jail):
I never saw a Sloan appeal to make Weinstein a USCF delegate - it's possible, but I'd like to see a ref.
Perhaps it's mentioned here here: http://www.chessbanter.com/rec-game...
(From Jun 06 - when <offramp> posted)
See also: Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #182) (Schiller on Sloan)
There is some more detail about <Weinstein> here (scroll down to item #64):
It seems too bad that this incident didn't cause Weinstein to get the help he badly needed, instead he returned to the US where he killed a man in 1964.
I'll post the entire content later.
Oh, some advice, be careful making predictions while rhyming:
Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #180)
More content/haiku's by <OCF>
Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #170)
Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #243) (Re: Weinstein's crime)
First limerick by <Phony>: Raymond Allen Weinstein (kibitz #251)
|Feb-22-15|| ||zanzibar: <64. 27 May: Raymond Weinstein in Amsterdam|
A few years ago, Sam Sloan posted a moving story on rec.games.chess.misc and on his own website about how he had found Raymond Weinstein, a great American chess hopeful of around 1960, who had disappeared from chess, and from the world it seemed, after the US Championship of 1963/64. Weinstein turned out to have killed a man in 1964, and had been confined to a mental institution ever since. For more details, see Sloan's stories on his site, I have found Raymond Weinstein, and Getting Raymond Weinstein out of jail.
When I contacted Sloan to ask him if he knew anything about Weinstein's episode in Amsterdam, he replied: 'I have heard that he assaulted somebody and got into trouble over there and had to be rushed back to the USA, where he got into even more trouble.'
That was indeed the footnote I wanted to add to the Weinstein story.
In the early sixties, in the Amsterdam chess café which was then still on Leidseplein, I met a nice American guy of around twenty with incredibly thick glasses: Raymond Weinstein. He was already a celebrity in chess; had been third in the US Championship at 18, had played for the US Olympiad team, and had won the student's World Team Championship with the US - he was a future top level grandmaster.
I don't think I ever played chess with him and I also don't remember him coming to the chess café very often - but we did talk a few times there, and I clearly remember that one time I brought him, on the back seat of my scooter, from the chess café to some other place in Amsterdam, and that he didn't seem at ease with my style of riding.
He was not in Amsterdam for chess, but to study psychology; he wanted to be a psychiatrist. He was in contact here with Johan Barendregt, who was both a psychology professor and an international chessmaster, and whose name lives on in chess mainly for his 5.0-0 in the Exchange Variation of the Ruy Lopez. Weinstein stayed with Barendregt for a while - perhaps I brought him there that time.
One day, there was a rumor at the chess café that Weinstein had tried to kill Barendregt. He had become mad at something and had attacked Barendregt with a weapon; Barendregt had been injured, but had been able to ward off Weinstein. We didn't see Weinstein any more after that.
Several chessplayers in Amsterdam remember that story, but nobody remembers details. Barendregt died in 1982. One chess friend, also a psychologist, who had been friendly with Weinstein in 1960 in Leningrad at that Students Olympiad which the US had won, had found him quite paranoid there already. Weinstein was hot-tempered, always felt treated badly, and accused my friend of double-crossing him for buying Russian chessbooks that Weinstein had wanted to buy himself.
This friend also remembers that after the Barendregt-incident, Weinstein was institutionalized briefly in Amsterdam. He was brought back to the US where indeed, he got into even worse trouble. To the chessworld at the time, he had vanished. There were rumors, but it was over 30 years before Sloan found out what had really happened to Raymond Weinstein.>
|Feb-23-15|| ||zanzibar: BTW- I think I found a post by Sam Sloan that shows when he became interested in finding Weinstein (due to Weinstein's name being dropped from Chess Life's April 1996 rating listings, and an erroneous report of his death):|
Sloan chronicles much of Weinstein's playing history, etc.
|Feb-23-15|| ||zanzibar: Same article also has quite a few of his games, maybe some not on <CG> as well...|
|May-23-15|| ||TheFocus: <If you think your intelligence matches that of your opponent, then it is only a matter of out-concentrating them. The moves are there - if he can see them, so can you> - Raymond Weinstein (British Chess Magazine, February 1964, p. 49).|
|Dec-29-15|| ||OhioChessFan: Interesting haiku I got today when trying to access The Motley Fool:|
It's not you, it's us. We appear to have done something to knock Fool.com offline. We are working to resolve this as quickly as possible.
A FOOLISH HAIKU
Bugs in the system
keep you from seeing this site.
Try hitting refresh.
|May-19-16|| ||OhioChessFan: He's died, has Safer, Morley
He'll be missed, oh so sorely
The beloved 60 Minutes correspondent
Has left all his fans despondent
|Apr-22-19|| ||norami: Quiz: In the 1963-64 USA championship, what goal did both Fischer and Weinstein achieve?|
|Apr-22-19|| ||Nosnibor: <norami> In answer to your quiz Fischer went through unbeaten and Weinstein did not draw a single game by making his best finish in all USA Championships to date.The same could be said of Fischer by achieving a 100% score.|
|May-09-19|| ||Petrosianic: <Nosnibor>: <Weinstein did not draw a single game by making his best finish in all USA Championships to date.>|
Not correct. This was not Weinstein's best finish.
|May-09-19|| ||morfishine: Well then Dear <Petrosianic> what was Weinstein's best finish?|
The World is waiting on the edge of its collective seat
|May-09-19|| ||Petrosianic: It's not hard to look up, but it was, in fact, in 1960/1.|
|Aug-26-19|| ||MissScarlett: Weinstein's last event, apparently, was the 1964 Student Olympiad (http://www.olimpbase.org/1964y/1964...), which ended in early August.|
I haven't been able to find any newspaper record of Weinstein's arrest or trial for murder, which suggests he was committed to a mental institution with little or no publicity. But surely the contemporary American chess press must have given some notice. A leading player can't just disappear without trace.
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