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Apr-15-06
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| whatthefat: <Dionyseus>
Thanks for the tip - I'm downloading the beta version now! ;) |
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| Apr-15-06 |
| Akavall: <Dionyseus><After 27.fxe5 dxe5, Rybka 1.1 immediately claims 28.kh2 is the strongest move.> I am going to go ahead and take Rybka's word for it that 28. Kh2 is in fact the right plan. If Rybka sees the right plan(28. Kh2, it is not suggesting 28. Qf1 does it?), it is not surprising that it choses 26. f4 and 27. fxe5. Pretty amazing though, maybe I should download it too :). The problem that I have with Deep Blue, is that it obviously didn't see the right plan, but still played the strongest move. <whatthefat> Nice analysis, Thanks. <You can see though that it's not unreasonable to believe 26.f4 could be rated #1 given some more computational time (i.e., a few more ply).> No, not unreasonable to this that, but I think this has mostly to do with Fritz finding a right plan, if he was able to find a right plan with a few more ply, than of course 26. f4 could become #1 choice. Btw, my Fritz gives 28. Kh2 and 28. R3a2 the same reading of +.41, though 28.Qf1 is close with +.38 ; I didn't have it on for very long though. <Dionyseus> Do all your engines suggest 26. f4? Do they all want to play 28. Kh2? |
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| Apr-15-06 |
| Dionyseus: <Akavall> At a depth of 18, Rybka 1.1 wants to play 26.Bd1 with the idea to play Qa2 next, evaluates it as +0.55 after 10m:02s. It claims 26.f4 as the 17th strongest move at a depth of 16, evaluates it as +0.29. |
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| Apr-16-06 |
| Akavall: <Dionyseus> Thank You. |
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| Apr-28-06 |
| Elixir of Life: Maybe Kasparov's Advanced Chess Idea came from IBM? IBM may have been combining the strategic skill of human with the tactical skill of a computer, so, in effect, IBM might be playing advanced chess. |
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May-02-06
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| BishopBerkeley: Britney Spears' Guide to Semiconductor Physics is a pretty good introduction to the subject: http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm
For those who would like to build their own parallel cluster supercomputer, you might check out the Beowulf Project: http://www.beowulf.org/overview/how...
And for those who are looking for a substitute for sleep, you might take a look at: http://www.donotsleep.com/
(But whatever you do, please do NOT fill a co-worker's cubicle with packing peanuts! Such a joke is not always laughed at: http://www.donotsleep.com/images/pr... ) (: Bishop Berkeley :)
P.S. Should anyone dispute the participation of Ms. Spears in her eponymous semiconductor physics website, please point them to the following photographic evidence: http://britneyspears.ac/wallpaper/b... |
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| May-02-06 |
| SnoopDogg: <I think there is simply no evidence at all> Open your eyes.
Although the controversy may never be fully understood, I think all chess players can agree on one thing. Deep Blue in no way during the match, proved superiority over Kasparov. Probably one of the biggest overreactions since the 1938 radio reading of "The War of the Worlds" was the Deep Blue Match. Resigning in a drawn position and an absurd blunder in opening theory to me, just reveals a psychologically hurt Kasparov rather than a chess playing silicon monster. Yet you have the Deep Blue team saying, "I think people should consider this match between the greatest player in the world, and Garry Kasparov." |
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May-03-06
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| BishopBerkeley: This picture (presumably from the early days of computer Chess) is certainly worth viewing: http://www.freewebs.com/itschessjim...
Seems appropriate somehow that a pre-Staunton Chess set should be used! The person who posted this image ("mack") says the following: === quote ===
Hello Ninjas...
I bought a book cheap from my library today, 'Mathematics' (David Bergamini Time Life Books, 1972), and flicked onto the page about computers... On p.34 there was the following curious picture [the picture linked above]... Besides it is the text:
CHESS BY COMPUTER
A chess-playing computer makes its move on sheets printed with a chess board pattern. The best human players can still beat computers, but possibly not for long: machines are now being programmed to "remember" the consequences of every mistake they ever made. So, who's playing here? What's going on? Which computer is that? === end quote ===
A writer called "xplor" responds:
=== quote ===
In 1962 about the time the book was written the first MIT chess program was written. It was the first chess program that played regular chess credibly. It was written by Alan Kotok for his B.S. thesis project, assisted by John McCarthy of Stanford. The program ran on an IBM 7090, looking at 1100 positions per second. David Bergamini 1963. Mathematics. "The mathematics of beauty in nature and art"... === end quote ===
http://www.chessninja.com/cgi-bin/u... (Both messages were posted on May 19, 2004)
(: Bishop Berkeley :)
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Jun-06-06
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| BishopBerkeley: It has been called the greatest TV commercial ever made, though it aired only once nationwide in the U.S. (during the Super Bowl of 1984). Directed by Ridley Scott (of "Blade Runner" fame) it shows a swift, hammer-wielding heroine as she confronts an enormous monolithic talking face that has mesmerized all the others within its hearing. It was the commercial that introduced the Apple Macintosh to the world, and you may see it here (it should take about 40 seconds to load on a fast connection): http://www.uriahcarpenter.info/1984...
The clever people at Apple Computer celebrated the 20th anniversary of this commercial by providing a version of it in which their heroine is wearing an iPod. (It is most visible at the moment she throws the hammer.) An excellent job of splicing (if you like that sort of thing)! Otherwise (as near as I can tell) the commercial is identical to the original. (This is actually a crisper version of the video than the one presented at the earlier link): http://spherule.com/media/video/198...
More may be learned about this curious snippet of filmmaking and the role in played in the history of the personal computer (and the history of advertizing) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_%... The heroine is portrayed by athlete Anya Major. Apparently few of the actresses who tried out for the role could wield the sledge-hammer in the way necessary for the part. But Ms. Major was an experienced discus-thrower, and she seems to have had little difficulty with the demands of the role. (The Wikipedia piece on her says, "The petite, blonde [Ms. Anya] Major, an experienced discus thrower who had been discovered at a local health club, won the role on the basis of her looks and her ability to spin with the hammer without becoming dizzy....") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anya_M...
Ah, the computer. For good or for ill, we are, indeed, here at the revolution.... "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke (Clarke's Third Law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke... ) (: Bishop Berkeley :)
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Jul-18-06
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| BishopBerkeley: For those who are interested in the future of computing, I encourage you to test-drive "Google Spreadsheets": http://spreadsheets.google.com/
One nice feature of Google Spreadsheets is that you can BOOKMARK your spreadsheets in your web-browser. One-click-access to spreadsheets that you can edit from home, work, or on the road is really quite wonderful, I think! (If you do not logoff your Google account, access is faster, of course.) The feature-set of Google Spreadsheets is modest compared with MS-Excel, and you probably wouldn't want to store any security-critical information "out there", but for relatively simple uses, it is really very nice. (Cell-widths and heights are fully configurable.) For those who would like to keep a note-pad of Chess notes "out there" so that you can make notes relative to your online play, you might just try setting the column width of the first column very wide, so that it becomes a bit like a line-by-line text editor / word-processor. Your Google Spreadsheets can also be backed up to your local machine easily. ("I have seen the future, and I've even created a backup copy!") They can also be shared with others (both write-access and read-only-access). It's always fun to check in with Google Labs to see what those highly-creative folks are experimenting with (definitely worth a bookmark!) http://labs.google.com/
Can a full-featured "Google Office" suite be far off?!? Are we entering the post-Microsoft age of personal computing? (: Bishop Berkeley :)
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May-06-07
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| CapablancaFan: Here's a nice video of the match between Kasparov and Deep Blue. It's about 10 mins. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK0Y... |
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| May-11-07 |
| Dionyseus: <Akaval> < Deep Blue plays 26. f4! with the right plan, but after 26...Nf6 27. fxe5 dxe5 plays a slightly inaccurate 28. Qf1!? Don't you find it very strange how Deep blue found a right plan but had trouble executing it? > Actually Deep Blue didn't think Kasparov would play 26...Nf6. Here's what Deep Blue thought was best when it played 26.f4 after thinking for 234 seconds : 26.f4 exf4 25.Bxe4 Rc8b8 26.Be3 Be7 27.axb5 axb5 28.Ba7 Rxb7 26.f4 might not be the strongest move anyways. Rybka 2.2 sticks to 26.Bd1 after 35 seconds, and as of depth 22 it still thinks Bd1 is best:  click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 2.2 mp:
26.Bd1 g6 27.Qa2 Rab8 28.axb5 Bxb5 29.Bg4 Rc7 30.Nf1 Nf6 31.Bf3 h5 32.Qc2 Kh7
² (0.43) Depth: 22 00:19:09 238mN
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May-24-07
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| Hesam7: <“Like the victory of IBM’s Deep Blue chess-playing supercomputer 10 years ago this month, the debut of POWER6 processor-based systems proves that relentless innovation brings ‘impossible’ goals within reach,” said Bill Zeitler, senior vice president, IBM Systems and Technology Group. “The POWER6 processor forges blazing performance and energy conservation technologies into a single piece of silicon, driving unprecedented business value for our customers.”> |
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| May-24-07 |
| Manuel G. Vergara: "Deep blue is as deep as all the deep blue oceans combined" Anonymous. |
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May-24-07
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| Knight13: Deep Blue was too shallow in 1996, but it got way too deep in 1997, so I guess the name fits the computer. |
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Jul-19-07
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| BishopBerkeley: Has Checkers been SOLVED?
Canadian researchers report they have "solved" checkers, developing a program that cannot lose in a game popular with young and old alike for more than a thousand years. "The [Chinook] program can achieve at least a draw against any opponent, playing either the black or white pieces," the researchers say in this week's online edition of the journal Science. Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070719... Here's an abstract of the Science article:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conte... "The game of checkers has roughly 500 billion billion possible positions (5 x 1020). The task of solving the game, determining the final result in a game with no mistakes made by either player, is daunting. Since 1989, almost continuously, dozens of computers have been working on solving checkers, applying state-of-the-art artificial intelligence techniques to the proving process. This paper announces that checkers is now solved: perfect play by both sides leads to a draw. This is the most challenging popular game to be solved to date, roughly one million times more complex than Connect Four. Artificial intelligence technology has been used to generate strong heuristic-based game-playing programs, such as DEEP BLUE for chess. Solving a game takes this to the next level, by replacing the heuristics with perfection." The Chinook Checkers Supercomputer which did the work: http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/
While you're there, why not try your hand PLAYING against Chinook?!? http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/...
(: Bishop Berkeley :)
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Jul-19-07
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| BishopBerkeley: Scientific American's summary of the claim that Checkers has been SOLVED by computer analysis (and it is a draw when played perfectly by both sides!) http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ar... === begin quoted passage ===
July 19, 2007
Computers Solve Checkers—It's a Draw
King me! Top computer scientist proves perfect play leads to draw, recounts battle for world championship, gets kinged By JR Minkel
Jonathan Schaeffer's quest for the perfect game of checkers has ended. The 50-year-old computer scientist from the University of Alberta in Edmonton left human players in the dust more than a decade ago after a trial by fire against the greatest checkers champion in history. And now, after putting dozens of computers to work night and day for 18 years—jump, jump, jump—he says he has solved the game—king me!. "The starting position, assuming no side makes a mistake, is a draw," he says. Schaeffer's proof, described today in Science ... would make checkers the most complex game yet solved by machines, beating out the checker-stacking game Connect Four in difficulty by a factor of a million.... "It's a milestone," says Murray Campbell, a computer scientist at IBM's T. J. Watson Research Center in Hawthorne, N.Y., and co-inventor of the chess program Deep Blue. "He's stretched the state of the art." Although technological limits prohibit analyzing each of the 500 billion billion possible arrangements that may appear on an eight-by-eight checkerboard, Schaeffer and his team identified moves that guaranteed the game would end in a draw no matter how tough the competition. Like any complicated mathematical proof, the result will have to withstand scrutiny. But "it's close to 100 percent," says computer scientist Jaap van den Herik of Maastricht University in the Netherlands, who has seen the details. "He has never published anything that was not completely true." Opening Play: Walking a Precipice
Schaeffer's odyssey began in the late 1980s. He had written a top chess program but IBM was on the verge of pouring its far vaster resources into Deep Blue. "I like to be competitive," he says, so he turned his attention elsewhere. "I naively thought I could solve the game of checkers," he recalls. "You can teach somebody the rules in a minute." Setting out in 1989 with 16 megabytes of computer memory, he quickly found that checkers, like chess, was too rich with possible positions to dash off a solution. So he switched gears, vowing to topple legendary checkers champion Marion Tinsley, who had lost only three games in tournament play since 1950. In 1992 Schaeffer's program Chinook took on Tinsley, who had resigned as world champion when the American Checker Federation and English Draughts Association temporarily refused to sanction the man-computer matchup. Tinsley was so good that his opponents played dull games in the hope of securing at least a draw, according to Schaeffer; Chinook apparently put the magic back in the game for the champ. "It played brash, aggressive moves—it walked on the edge of a precipice," Scheaffer anthropomorphizes. "It would do things people looked at and said, 'Man, is that program crazy?'" The program actually beat Tinsley twice, but computer glitches led to a forfeit that gave the human a 3–2 lead with two games left in a best-of-40 match. Schaeffer set Chinook on an aggressive course to try to recoup, resulting in another loss for the computer that cost it and its creator the match, Schaeffer recounted in his book One Jump Ahead.... === end quoted passage ===
[Article concluded here: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?ch... ] |
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Jul-20-07
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| SatelliteDan: Is there any Rybka vs Rybka games available on line? |
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| Sep-23-07 |
| Whitehat1963: “Saying Deep Blue doesn’t really think about chess is like saying an airplane doesn't really fly because it doesn't flap its wings.” -- Drew McDermott, Yale
True, or just another <Odd Lie> |
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Nov-18-07
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| BishopBerkeley: Vast Optimism about the Future of Humankind (and YOUR Future?!?) If someone were to predict that 1) nearly all of the serious problems
facing Humankind will be solved within the coming century (largely by
means of advanced technology), and 2) YOU may be able to extend your
lifespan to 200+ years (!!!) -- it would be tempting to dismiss that
person as a wild-eyed dreamer.
But if that person had an established and very impressive track record
of predicting the future (at least of advanced technology), and that
person had actively contributed (in a major way) to the very
technology that helped shape that future, it might be interesting to
listen.
Such a person is Ray Kurzweil.
Microsoft founder Bill Gates said, "Ray Kurzweil is the best person I
know at predicting the future of artificial intelligence. His
intriguing new book ["The Singularity is Near"] envisions a future in
which information technologies have advanced so far and fast that they
enable humanity to transcend it's biological limitations --
transforming our lives in ways we can't yet imagine." Kurzweil refers to an era he calls "the Singularity" that is fast
approaching: "The Singularity is an era in which our intelligence will
become increasingly non-biological and trillions of times more
powerful than it is today -- the dawning of a new civilization that
will enable us to transcend our biological limitations and amplify our
creativity."
Here is the website Dr. Kurzweil has established for the book "The
Singularity is Near":
http://www.singularity.com/
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Nov-18-07
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| BishopBerkeley: [continued from above...]
And here is a timeline of many of his future predictions, all the way
from the present to the year 2099 (including the prediction that "The
concept of 'life expectancy' has become irrelevant to humans and
machines thanks to medical immortality...") [Presented at Wikipedia,
and subject to all the limitations of that amazing yet not-perfect
user-edited resource]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_ku... At the website devoted to his book "Fantastic Voyage: Live Long Enough
to Live Forever", we find, "Immortality is within our grasp . . .In
'Fantastic Voyage', high-tech visionary Ray Kurzweil teams up with
life-extension expert Terry Grossman, M.D., to consider the awesome
benefits to human health and longevity promised by the leading edge of
medical science--and what you can do today to take full advantage of
these startling advances. Citing extensive research findings that
sound as radical as the most speculative science fiction, Kurzweil and
Grossman offer a program designed to slow aging and disease processes
to such a degree that you should be in good health and good spirits
when the more extreme life-extending and life-enhancing technologies--
now in development--become available. This bridge to the future will
enable those who dare to make the journey from this century to the
next . . . and beyond."
http://www.fantastic-voyage.net/
Their website devoted to health and life extension:
http://www.rayandterry.com/
And here's a bit more about Dr. Kurzweil:
http://www.singularity.com/aboutray...
http://www.kurzweiltech.com/raybio....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_ku...
Dr. Kurzweil's companies:
http://www.kurzweiltech.com/
Two interesting videos of Dr. Kurzweil:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IfbOyw3C...
at Stanford University:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9PWXrnsS...
I would certainly love to believe that Dr. Kurzweil's vision of the
future is accurate. However, I am not persuaded by his writing that
such a future is ensured or even likely -- but I do believe something
like it is *possible* (provided we keep it from taking a distinctly
dystopian turn).
Even so, I find it worthwhile (as well as entertaining!) to explore
his ideas -- with a mixture of skepticism, enthusiasm, concern, and
hope....
[P.S. I am not affiliated with Dr. Kurzweil or any of his companies in
any way. I just present these references here since I think many
people might find his ideas interesting. (For those who are familiar
with the writings of such thinkers as Alfred North Whitehead, Henri
Bergson, Fr. Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Sri Aurobindo Ghosh, Ken
Wilbur, and others, it seems to me that Dr. Kurzweil arrives at a
similar mystical or quasi-mystical (techno-mystical?) destination to
that envisioned by these thinkers, though "up from below" (as it were)
instead of "down from above" (as in the case of these other "process"
philosophers.) ]
(: Bishop Berkeley :)
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| Dec-12-07 |
| Kaspablanca: Maybe 8x8 checkers is solved, but what about the international checkers version (aka polish checkers)It is on a 10x10 board. |
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Feb-04-08
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| norami: Kurzweil thinks he's going to live forever. We're already living forever! What we're experiencing now is a virtual reality movie, or an elaborate video game, or perhaps, as the old song goes, "Life is but a dream." |
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| Feb-05-08 |
| VaselineTopLove: Who made the decision to resign or offer draw from Deep Blue's side? The computer or the GM inputting the moves? |
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| Feb-05-08 |
| MichAdams: The machine operator (not a GM) would make those decisions. |
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