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Jun-30-13
 | | alexmagnus: What the heck happened to the women's top list? The average of top-100 fell by 14 points?!?! Faulty statistics on the FIDE site or did some "catastrophic" change go by unnoticed to me? |
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| Jul-20-13 | | Karpova: <alex2> by accident, I came across your post. <I just read your post on the World Cup page. And it really puzzled me, while it was probably the reason you put me on ignore... When did I accuse you of being anti-Semitic?> See the page of Viktor the Terrible, 2012.10.22 if you are still puzzled. Certainly worth thinking over again and maybe draw other conclusions or at least understand that there are other points of view (and maybe much more justified ones than yours). |
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Jul-20-13
 | | alexmagnus: Well, the question was whether Korchnoi is a Jew. <perfidious> said this question sounds like "Is he a diease-carrier?". I said it sounds this way to someone anti-Semitic, from which <perfidious> obviously drew the conclusion I accused him of anti-Semitism. Fair enough. But I didn't mean it this way. I am a Jew, and I know that Jewish identity can be troublesome. I meant my sentence the way that if we keep the question "Is XY a Jew?" taboo, we give more motifs for the anti-Semites. But I didn't mean <pefidious> were an anti-Semite, that was just an unlucky formulation in the heat of the "battle" by me. I mean - if the question were like, say "Is he (insert any other nation than Jews)?" it would hardly get such a reaction. I, as a Jew, think that we Jews should stop hiding ourselves. There is nothing shameful about being a Jew. Making something shameful of it, we only get a fruitful ground for conspiracy theories ("XYZ is a Jew is disguise"). And that is what I wanted to point out. I didn't mean to somehow judge or even insult <perfidious>. |
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Jul-20-13
 | | alexmagnus: And I want to apoliogize to <perfidious> for this formulation on my part, it was a misunderstanding (note the "if you feel misundertsood..." line in my profile :)). I know he has me on ignore but I hope he somehow sees this apology and accepts it. |
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| Jul-20-13 | | Karpova: <alexmagnus>
I understand the point you are trying to make but I also understand what <perfidious> meant. There are many examples, but let's stick with jews. For sure, I don't know anything about your life, but many jews are still facing pretty open or at least thinly-veiled resentments or verbal abuse and violence because of being jews. I've seen children using the expression 'jew' as an insult just to give one example. Now under these circumstances, for a jew to be openly identifiable as a jew in public, takes some courage and I think it is entirely understandable if someone doesn't want to. Not in order to hide that he/she is a jew but maybe just to go shopping for example, without people making dumb comments. Now, in this context, it appears indeed strange if someone is so keen to know whether Viktor was a jew or not - the context being that people are not judged by what they do but whether they are jews or not. There may not have been a bad ulterior motive behind asking that question though. But if you've seen people judged by just one, and maybe not even the most important aspect of their personality, you can become suspicious (you can expand this at will also to cases dominating the headlines recently). So now, <perfidious> comes up with this analogy which indeed sounded strange at first glance but what he basically did was to expose the putative bad intention behind the question by phrasing it differently, though in a way also typical of an anti-semite. Just on a sidenote, the bubonic plague was often followed by pogroms as the jews were less affected due to the religious cleaning laws and that they were confined to ghettos. So the blame was put on them and said they had poisoned the drinking water, for example. And as people like Gutmayer showed, the equation of jews and parasites could also be found in chess literature (and prior to the rise of the Nazis). So you could say that for an anti-semite to ask whether someone was a jew or a disease-carrier was the same - but that does not mean that the questions are actually identical. Another example, imagine a girl having been raped. And now someone writes a single post "did she wear a miniskirt?". It's just one short sentence, but if you read it, don't you feel some associations coming up? |
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Jul-20-13
 | | alexmagnus: I understand what you mean too. Still, I didn't feel the question regarding Korchnoi provocative (it was asked out of the blue, not in some context). Especially since some think that Soviet anti-Semitism was one of the reasons for Korchnoi's emigration (on a side note, anti-Semitism is one of the reasons I moved from Ukraine to Germany, so I am all too familiar with it and with what revealing one's Jewish identity can bring). But I understand you both, and, as I said, apologize to <perfidious>. |
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| Jul-20-13 | | Karpova: <alexmagnus: Still, I didn't feel the question regarding Korchnoi provocative (it was asked out of the blue, not in some context).> I would say that this was exactly the reason, why it's so ambiguous. It can be entirely innocent, for example as an inquiry into the possible reasons for his emigration as you pointed out or maybe the compilation of a list of great jewish chessplayers or so. But asked out of the blue, it does appear strange so the reader is more open to underlay it with his own context. |
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Jul-23-13
 | | perfidious: <alexmagnus>: Your apology is accepted and the matter closed, so far as I am concerned. |
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Jul-24-13
 | | alexmagnus: Thank you <perfidious> :) |
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Jul-25-13
 | | FSR: Chess Club Live mentioned your Game Collection: Grandmaster Blunders today on Facebook, though somehow it thinks you are Chess.com: <Chess.com listed the worst Grandmaster Blunders of all time, Magnus Carlsen featured five times in a list of nearly 50 throughout chess history and all known players. He was twice the blunderer and thrice blundered against. It speaks a lot about his style of chess being on the edge of triumph and disaster. Game Collection: Grandmaster Blunders> I left them a comment, so maybe they'll correct their post. Great collection! Here's another whopper well worth mentioning:
J Emma vs Stein, 1966. Super-GM Stein hung his queen on move 34 - and his opponent didn't take it!! |
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Jul-25-13
 | | FSR: Another super-blunder, this one where both players were super-GMs, and in a candidates match no less, is Kamsky vs Gelfand, 2011. White allowed, and Black missed, an instant win on move 19. |
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Jul-25-13
 | | FSR: Here are two famous examples of double blunders by world-class players: in Rubinstein vs Nimzowitsch, 1912, Nimzo's 25th move walked into mate in two, but Rubinstein overlooked it! Ditto with Reshevsky's 20th move, and Szabo's equally oblivious response in Szabo vs Reshevsky, 1953. |
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Jul-25-13
 | | alexmagnus: Thanks <FSR>! And I don't know what's funnier: that my collection got so much attention or that they thought I'm chess.com? I wonder how they came up with chess.com at all :). My first thought was - "maybe chess.com published some blog entry or article in which they mentioned the collection" - but no. Anyway, nice to have completely unexpected 15 minutes of fame :) |
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Jul-25-13
 | | alexmagnus: As for your games: in Kamsky-Gelfand one at least had to see some 4-5 moves ahead to see the win - note, most blunders in my collection are really instantly losing, in 1-3 moves (with a couple of notable exceptions). But the rest is perfectly fitting :) Thank you. |
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Jul-25-13
 | | FSR: <alexmagnus.com> I dunno - do you look like chess.com? Chess.com, chessgames.com, whatever, right? |
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Jul-25-13
 | | FSR: <alexmagnus> Here is the exchange on Facebook (so far) between me and the geniuses at Chess Club Live: <Chess Club Live> <<Chess.com listed the worst Grandmaster Blunders of all time, Magnus Carlsen featured five times in a list of nearly 50 throughout chess history and all known players. He was twice the blunderer and thrice blundered against. It speaks a lot about his style of chess being on the edge of triumph and disaster. Game Collection: Grandmaster Blunders><Frederick Rhine> Chess.com did not compile that collection. alexmagnus, a member of chessgames.com, did so.> I would have thought that my comment was clear, and respectful enough. Apparently not: <Chess Club Live> <Frederick read the post carefully. It says chess.com "listed" the worst Grandmaster Blunders of all time... To list something means "A number of connected items or names written or printed consecutively, typically one below the other." The list or collection was published it on their site never said they compiled it. I think most people know those collections are user content held by chess.com, but they are chess.com users on chess.com posting on chess.com. English is really neat you can have a multitude of layered means depending on what you are describing, try it sometime :-) > Ah, the problem is that I don't understand English and the "multitude of layered means" it allows! My response: <Frederick Rhine> <Chess Club Live - You're right, English IS really neat. Chess.com and chessgames.com are different sites. Are you having a hard time with that concept?> |
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Aug-07-13
 | | alexmagnus: The ultimate battle: me vs tolengoy :D
Who will reach the World Cup quarterfinal? Additionally, I predicted that at least 4 players from <tolengoy>'s list will lose in the first round. <tolengoy>'s list:
Section 1- Wesley So
Section 2- Hou Yifan
Section 3- Oliver Barbosa
Section 4- Mark Paragua
Section 5- Julio Granda
Section 6- Judit Polgar
Section 7- Ray Robson
Section 8- Alexander Fier
My list:
1 - Aronian
2 - Nepomniachtchi
3 - Svidler
4 - Karjakin
5 - Malakhov
6 - Gelfand
7 - Ivanchuk
8 - Ponomariov |
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Aug-07-13
 | | Natalia Pogonina: What happened in Nanjing? I didn't mean any harm! :D |
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Aug-07-13
 | | alexmagnus: <Natalia Pogonina> nothing bad, just the style of your comments back then. Carlsen had a tournament of his life and you made it looks like all his wins are due to his opponents' unexplicable blunders. It's not me being Carlsen fan that made me "evil" after reading those comments - it's just the fact that that can't be right. Unexplicable blunders can happen in one game, but not in the entire tournament to completely different people playing the same opponent. MC forced his opponents into those blunders. But OK, now four years are gone :). Saw also your rare posts on chessglum, that's actually when my perception of you stopped being as negative as it was after that Nanjing. |
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Aug-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: OK, so let's continue my joking tracing of "What would the world championship history look like if the championship changed hands by the virtue of winning one tournament game against the reigning champion, based on the games in the CG database? Starting with Steinitz' actual WC win." We found out, that by the end of 1905 the champion would be Chigorin. Next post: 1906-1910. |
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Aug-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: Btw, note: I take into account only the game whose date is exactly known (only exception: Steinitz' 1886 loss) or at least it is known that the tournament was played after the latest tournament listed, so that the actual championship could have been different. Chigorin lost to Mieses on June 7th, 1906
Mieses vs Chigorin, 1906
Mieses lost to Duras on January 18th, 1907
Mieses vs Duras, 1907
Duras lost to Rubinstein on May 18th, 1907
Rubinstein vs Duras, 1907
Rubinstein lost to Znosko-Borovsky on June 3rd, 1907
Rubinstein vs Duras, 1907
Znosko-Borovsky lost to Mieses on June 7th, 1907
Mieses vs Znosko-Borovsky, 1907
Mieses lost to Jacob on June 8th, 1907
F G Jacob vs Mieses, 1907
Jacob lost to Marshall on July 23rd, 1910
Marshall vs F G Jacob, 1910
Marshall lost to Dus Chotimirsky on July 27th, 1910
Dus Chotimirsky vs Marshall, 1910
Dus Chotimirsky lost to Schlechter on July 30th, 1910
Dus Chotimirsky vs Schlechter, 1910
Schlechter lost to Duras on August 3rd, 1910
Schlechter vs Duras, 1910
Duras lost to Speijer on August 5th, 1910
Schlechter vs Duras, 1910
Speijer lost to Nimzowitsch on August 6th, 1910
Nimzowitsch vs A Speijer, 1910
No losses for Nimzowitsch in 1910 after August 6th are known. Next post: 1911-1915. |
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Aug-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: 1911-1913:
Nimzowitsch lost to Leohnardt on February 6th, 1911
Nimzowitsch vs Leonhardt, 1911
Leonhardt lost to Nimzowitsch on February 23rd, 1911
Nimzowitsch vs Leonhardt, 1911
Nimzowitsch lost to Capablanca on March 3rd, 1911
Nimzowitsch vs Capablanca, 1911
Capablanca lost to Rubinstein on March 13th, 1911
Rubinstein vs Capablanca, 1911
Rubinstein lost to Teichmann on August 25th, 1911
Teichmann vs Rubinstein, 1911
Teichmann lost to Burn on September 11th, 1911
Teichmann vs Burn, 1911
Burn lost to Schlechter on September 12th, 1911
Burn vs Schlechter, 1911
Schlechter lost to Teichmann on September 14th, 1911
Teichmann vs Schlechter, 1911
Teichmann lost to Duras on September 24th, 1911
Duras vs Teichmann, 1911
Duras lost to Von Freymann on January 16th, 1912
S Von Freymann vs Duras, 1912
Von Freymann lost to Szekely on January 18th, 1912
J Szekely vs S Von Freymann, 1912
Szekely lost to Aurbach on January 20th, 1912
J Szekely vs A Aurbach, 1912
Aurbach lost to Rosselli del Turco on January 22nd, 1912
A Aurbach vs S Rosselli del Turco, 1912
Rosselli del Turco lost to Flamberg on January 27th 1912
S Rosselli del Turco vs Flamberg, 1912
Flamberg lost to Spielmann on January 30th, 1912
Spielmann vs Flamberg, 1912
Spielmann lost to Nyholm on February 3rd, 1912
Spielmann vs G Nyholm, 1912
Nyholm lost to Lowcki on February 6th, 1912
G Nyholm vs M Lowcki, 1912
Lowcki lost to Von Freymann ob February 12th, 1912
S Von Freymann vs M Lowcki, 1912
Von Freymann lost to Bernstein on August 19th, 1912
S Von Freymann vs O Bernstein, 1912
Bernstein lost to Alekhine on August 23rd, 1912
O Bernstein vs Alekhine, 1912
Alekhine lost to Rubinstein on August 24th (not 23rd as shown), 1912
O Bernstein vs Alekhine, 1912
Rubinstein lost to Von Freymann on September 5th, 1912
S Von Freymann vs Rubinstein, 1912
Von Freymann lost to Znosko-Borovsky on an unknown day in 1913
Znosko-Borovsky vs S Von Freymann, 1913
Znosko-Borovsky lost to Alekhine on April 22nd, 1913
Znosko-Borovsky vs Alekhine, 1913
Alekhine lost to Capablanca on December 14th, 1913
Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1913
Capablanca lost to Znosko-Borovsky on December 18th, 1913
Capablanca vs Znosko-Borovsky, 1913
Next post: 1913-1915. |
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Aug-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: 1913-1915:
Znosko-Borovsky lost to Alekhine on January 27th, 1914
Znosko-Borovsky vs Alekhine, 1914
Alekhine lost to Bogoljubov on January 29th, 1914
Alekhine vs Bogoljubov, 1914
Bogoljubov lost to Duras on July 21st, 1914
Bogoljubov vs Duras, 1914
Duras lost to Tarrasch on July 23rd, 1914
Tarrasch vs Duras, 1914
Tarrasch lost to Breyer on July 28th, 1914
Breyer vs Tarrasch, 1914
Breyer lost to Foldes on an unknown day in 1914
G Foldes vs Breyer, 1914
Foldes lost to Breyer on an unknown day in 1914
Breyer vs G Foldes, 1914
No later losses for Breyer prior to 1916 are known. Next post: 1916-1920. |
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Aug-16-13
 | | alexmagnus: 1916-1920:
Breyer lost to von Balla on an unknown day in 1916
Breyer vs Z von Balla, 1916
Von Balla last to Breyer on an unknown day in 1916:
Z von Balla vs Breyer, 1916
Breyer lost to Reti on an unknown day in 1917
Reti vs Breyer, 1917
Here problems come. Next Reti's loss comes in 1919, but for some reason all 1919 games of top players have no dates. Any information? |
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| Sep-17-13 | | Kinghunt: I know you only use official rating lists in your domination lists, but no top players will be finishing any more rated events before the next list is released. So it's pretty much official that on the next list, Carlsen will once again be 108 points ahead of the world #10, and a whopping <76 points> ahead of the world #2, behind only Kasparov and Fischer. |
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