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| Feb-02-17 | | chesslearner1991: Rumor has it that Hou Yifan was also upset over Trump's view on China. |
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| Feb-02-17 | | Gypsy: Can someone articulate what is Hou's complaint: Financial? Sporting? Something else? Btw, she scored +4 -1 =2 against the women and +1 -1 against the guys; provided we throw away her protest game. |
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| Feb-02-17 | | zanzibar: <Gypsy> you can watch her comment on it herself in the video. People already posted links to it, above, but you can also find it and more commentary on <cb>: http://en.chessbase.com/post/gibral...
I think the short answer is pairings... she thought they were being manipulated to match her with other women more than normal. She made a complaint to the head arbiter before the last round, but was dissatisfied with the response (or lack thereof). |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Jambow: <Riverbeast> Well said and spot on too. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Gypsy: It is the nature of Swiss format that pairings can be pair-shaped. I tried to watch Hou's protest video, but could not quite discern how she was harmed. Hou clearly felt exasperated that she had to play females (again and again). But she did not articulated what is the problem with that: Did she lose on prize? Is it too boring to play the same opponents again? Is playing women holding her down? Is it demeaning to her to face other women when men are available? |
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| Feb-03-17 | | redwhitechess: Well, things went down quickly. The Telegraph title : World's top female chess player resigns after 5 moves having repeatedly <been made> to play women http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201... |
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| Feb-03-17 | | zanzibar: She wants fair pairings, and even Brian Callaghan (the tournament organizer) stated he was sympathetic to her complaint, "from her perspective". But he clearly stated the pairing were fair (basically, because they come out of a machine). Of course, he claimed the pairings were fair and unbiased. So, it's unclear in my mind if they were or not. Let's consider four other well-known male players near her rating: Short, Shankland, Fressinet, Akobian
M/F = 9/1, 6/4, 6/4, 8/2
Hou, Ju
M/F = 2/8, 9/1
Yeah, I'd say the pairings were a bit odd for Hou. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | 1971: Looks like the organizers were trying to run a men's and women's tournament at the same time. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | zanzibar: I see somebody else already did the same study, with more players: Yifan Hou vs B Lalith, 2017 (kibitz #60) I think we basically agree for those I did. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Kares17: <devere:I'm sure that the Israeli chess player didn't request that. So is it official policy for Europeans to assist Muslim chess players in maintaining their fanaticism? The Iranian should have been told to play or default.> Dear friends, let me inform you on this controversial issue.There is no such thing as Muslim fanaticism here.Iranian players don't refuse to play Israeli players on their own. It is a legal obligation imposed on them by their state. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | nok: The obvious question: what was the pairing software. If the organizer felt not guilty he would have said. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: Obviously the peoplw who take Hifan's action into question haven't won anything and will not win anything. At least that is crystal clear. |
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Feb-03-17
 | | beatgiant: <AylerKupp>
<the player's expected score (i.e., result) is the rounding of the expected value to the nearest 0.5 points. And it would then be the same as the player's most probable score.>Do you think you could post your premises and your math? It's not at all obvious to me that the rounding of the expected value to the nearest 0.5 points is the same as the player's most probable score. Suppose the following is the probability distribution over a player's score: Pr(score = 0) = 1/2
Pr(score = 2) = 1/4
Pr(score = 4) = 1/4
I got 0 as the most probable score (has the highest probability of any score), and 1.5 as the expected value of the score (0*1/2) + (2*1/4) + (4*1/4) and rounding to the nearest 0.5 still gives 1.5. What am I missing? |
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| Feb-03-17 | | PhilFeeley: <Dear friends, let me inform you on this controversial issue.There is no such thing as Muslim fanaticism here.Iranian players don't refuse to play Israeli players on their own. It is a legal obligation imposed on them by their state.> And FIDE should not allow that. They should tell Iran to stop interfering or go away - but they won't. They're too dependent in Iran-sponsored tournaments. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: <Kares>
It's a complete nono statement and offensive as hell. I wonder what the reaction of the involved players is. As if this Callaghan creature would care; it is obviously he made a hoax of this tournament. Because.. because... if Yihan had not protested we would never know. So it obviously is some stupid excuse. 100% |
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| Feb-03-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: PS I bet he just made that up. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | whiteshark: <Premature Attackulation> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymF... ;) |
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Feb-03-17
 | | scormus: <Riverbeast> dead right. Collectively, i suppose we like to believe the system is "fair" and are comfortable to deny suspicions that it isnt, when the evidence is inconclusive. Then someone like Hou blows the gaff and there's a reaction. Chess is only a microcosm of course. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | PhilFeeley: So who's game won best prize? Was Hou's queen sac even nominated? |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Sokrates: Very precise and eloquently phrased summary, <Riverbeast>, thank you. The way the Russians, with FIDE as their marionet puppet, tried to twist the women's WCC to their favour corresponds perfectly with the state instigated doping of their athletes. Cheating and intimidating is their favourite game. |
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Feb-03-17
 | | alexmagnus: Vitiugov played five women, as did many losing rated men. Two women - Arakhamia-Grant and Pratyusha - played six women each. And see my posts on the protest game page for other players (both men and women) who had the oddity of playing four women <in a row>, including one man who had this in the four final rounds, |
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Feb-03-17
| | alexmagnus: Not losing rated. Lowish rated (autocorrect there). |
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| Feb-03-17 | | PhilFeeley: There were a lot of prizes:
http://www.gibchess.com/prizes.htm
but no report about who won them all. The only one we know about is Nakamura. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Tiggler: <beatgiant: .... What am I missing?> Nothing. Your math and your comment are correct. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Tiggler: I listened carefully to Hou's interview, but I did not hear any allegation from her that the pairings were manipulated. Her complaint seemed to be that the pairing did not suit her. Perhaps she was demanding that the pairing should have been manipulated to suit her personal preferences. |
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