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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
PokerStars IoM Masters Tournament

Gabriel Sargissian7/9(+5 -0 =4)[view games]
Laurent Fressinet7/9(+5 -0 =4)[view games]
Pentala Harikrishna7/9(+5 -0 =4)[view games]
David Howell6.5/9(+4 -0 =5)[view games]
Nigel Short6.5/9(+4 -0 =5)[view games]
Erwin L'Ami6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Tiger Hillarp Persson6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Sergei Movsesian6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Michael Adams6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Francesco Rambaldi6/9(+5 -2 =2)[view games]
Alexander Donchenko6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Sabino Brunello6/9(+5 -2 =2)[view games]
Mishra Swayams6/9(+5 -2 =2)[view games]
Arkadij Naiditsch6/9(+5 -2 =2)[view games]
Jorden van Foreest6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Julio Ernesto Granda Zuniga6/9(+3 -0 =6)[view games]
Nils Grandelius5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Deep Sengupta5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[view games]
Jovanka Houska5.5/9(+5 -3 =1)[view games]
Sergei Tiviakov5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Martin Zumsande5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Alon Greenfeld5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[view games]
Hrant Melkumyan5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Eylon Nakar5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Daniel Gormally5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[view games]
Avital Boruchovsky5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Gawain Jones5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[view games]
Keith Arkell5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
Yuri Kuzubov5.5/9(+4 -2 =3)[view games]
(102 players total; 74 players not shown. Click here for longer list.)

Chessgames.com Chess Event Description
PokerStars IoM Masters (2015)
Official site: http://www.iominternationalchess.com/

 page 1 of 16; games 1-25 of 393  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. M Zumsande vs P A Johnson  1-050 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersC45 Scotch Game
2. R Pert vs D Ottosen  1-032 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersC04 French, Tarrasch, Guimard Main line
3. A Zahn vs A Greet  ½-½50 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersC11 French
4. Cherniaev vs M Burrows  1-030 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA40 Queen's Pawn Game
5. A Hill vs J Lampert  0-160 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA07 King's Indian Attack
6. E Nakar vs A Byron 1-030 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation
7. E Player vs N Das  0-138 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA07 King's Indian Attack
8. A J Walton vs Tarjan  0-1103 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB06 Robatsch
9. Hebden vs A B Gikas  1-065 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersD12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
10. K Allen vs G L Charleshouse 0-126 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
11. D Gormally vs J Grant  1-048 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
12. C Logallo vs E Paehtz  0-155 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA45 Queen's Pawn Game
13. J Tan vs Brian Wr Hewson  1-036 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB17 Caro-Kann, Steinitz Variation
14. Z Harari vs M Swayams  0-137 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersC56 Two Knights
15. A Fox vs A L'Ami  0-145 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB23 Sicilian, Closed
16. M Leutwyler vs D Daulyte  1-023 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA46 Queen's Pawn Game
17. Y Afek vs G Klein  1-014 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB40 Sicilian
18. P V Vishnu vs K Ambartsumova  1-016 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA13 English
19. M Lyell vs M Illingworth  1-067 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB10 Caro-Kann
20. L'Ami vs Paul Zwahr  1-049 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersE63 King's Indian, Fianchetto, Panno Variation
21. G Gaehwiler vs H Melkumyan  0-163 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersB06 Robatsch
22. P L Basso vs K Winter  1-026 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA84 Dutch
23. S Weinstein vs S Williams 0-133 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA40 Queen's Pawn Game
24. V Hamitevici vs S Sipos  1-036 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA46 Queen's Pawn Game
25. Arkell vs G L Charleshouse  1-042 2015 PokerStars IoM MastersA46 Queen's Pawn Game
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Oct-08-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: < its 95 percent luck and maybe 5 percent skill. >

Aren't there odds to follow with different combinations of cards in your hand, what to bet, how many cards to draw, similar to how Blackjack works? Also, if cards are being discarded face up, don't the odds change based on what you have seen played?

I don't think online poker is just luck. there are software programs you can buy that tell you what to do, based on the above and other things, including analyzing the patterns of your opponent going in or dumping hands, how much does he bet in certain situations?

Oct-08-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <apexin.....I used to play some poker years ago and now consider it gambling.especially online poker. its 95 percent luck and maybe 5 percent skill....>

You say so, man.

Oct-08-15  apexin: Even a very experienced poker player can lose a hand and a lot of money to a total fish. Few years ago there was a tournament, and a lady, i forgot her name, won a tournament full of seasoned pros, having learned how to play the game 2 months before.1/1000 players actually win anything. Professionals DO win in the long run, thats true.They do have that bit of skill and experience. <HeMateME> Yes, you're right there are things like counting outs,how much to bet,reads,when to bluff,when to fold etc. But still luck is a dominant factor. If a good player plays a newbie, then the advantage of the first maybe something like 55/45. If a very good player plays another good player advantage he might have is 51/49. I'm talking about live poker. Online, the edge is even smaller. If we compare that to chess, a total novice playing against Kasparov has 0 chance to win or even draw. But a novice can get good cards and board and win against a professional poker player. Blackjack is a completely different game and im not sure why you mentioned that. That has to be my longest kibitz i ever wrote here, by the way, hah.
Oct-09-15  galdur: “If it weren’t for luck, I’d win every time". ---Phil Hellmuth, U.S. Poker grandmaster

Yeah, and I bet the more he practiced the luckier he got.

Oct-09-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: are you going to say that chess grandmaster Grischuk, a champion poker player, is just 'lucky?'

I think Kosteniuk also plays, and was at a casino in Vegas where there was a nearby chess tournament a year or so ago. She played in the chess tournament but also won a bundle at the poker table. Poker is the one game the house doesn't control.

Oct-09-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <apexin: Even a very experienced poker player can lose a hand and a lot of money to a total fish....>

This is definitely possible, but the chance factor is what keeps the weaker player coming back. Without it, there would be no game at all.

<....1/1000 players actually win anything. Professionals DO win in the long run, thats true.They do have that bit of skill and experience....>

Where did this statistic originate?

Nah, you don't have to explain: I can guess, for it certainly is not the case.

<....<HeMateME> Yes, you're right there are things like counting outs,how much to bet,reads,when to bluff,when to fold etc....>

In order to be a strong player, one must have command of these skills and much more, as well as using those abilities in the proper mix.

<.....But still luck is a dominant factor. If a good player plays a newbie, then the advantage of the first maybe something like 55/45. If a very good player plays another good player advantage he might have is 51/49.....>

Once again: did you pluck these numbers from thin air, a hat, or somewhere else best not mentioned?

<....I'm talking about live poker. Online, the edge is even smaller. If we compare that to chess, a total novice playing against Kasparov has 0 chance to win or even draw. But a novice can get good cards and board and win against a professional poker player....>

It <can> happen, even in a session; I have played with a table of mostly world-class players and one or two amateurs and watched an amateur walk away winner, but, as even you acknowledge above, in the long run, the pro will come out on top.

Oct-09-15  andrewjsacks: OK, I'll jump in. An excellent poker player possesses some of the very same skills as an excellent chess player, and it is no wonder that many chess players, over the years, have spent some time as professional poker players.
Oct-09-15  nolanryan: BIDMONFA

TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
PokerStars IoM Masters Tournament
Pentala Harikrishna 6/7 (+5 -0 =2) [view games]
Francesco Rambaldi 5.5/7 (+5 -1 =1) [view games]
Nigel Short 5.5/7 (+4 -0 =3) [view games]
Laurent Fressinet 5.5/7 (+4 -0 =3) [view games]
Keith Arkell 5.5/8 (+4 -1 =3) [view games]
Gabriel Sargissian 5.5/7 (+4 -0 =3) [view games]
Hrant Melkumyan 5/7 (+4 -1 =2) [view games]
Alexander Donchenko 5/7 (+3 -0 =4) [view games]
Arkadij Naiditsch 5/7 (+4 -1 =2) [view games]
Sergei Movsesian 5/7 (+4 -1 =2) [view games]
Michael Adams 5/7 (+4 -1 =2) [view games]
Julio Ernesto Granda Zuniga 5/7 (+3 -0 =4) [view games] David Howell 5/7 (+3 -0 =4) [view games]
Nils Grandelius 5/7 (+4 -1 =2) [view games]
Yuri Kuzubov 4.5/7 (+3 -1 =3) [view games]
Jan Timman 4.5/7 (+4 -2 =1) [view games]
James Tarjan 4.5/7 (+4 -2 =1) [view games]
Sergei Tiviakov 4.5/7 (+4 -2 =1) [view games]
Sabino Brunello 4.5/7 (+4 -2 =1) [view games]
Erwin L'Ami 4.5/7 (+3 -1 =3) [view games]
Tiger Hillarp Persson 4.5/7 (+3 -1 =3) [view games]
Gawain Jones 4.5/7 (+3 -1 =3) [view games]
Jorden van Foreest 4.5/7 (+3 -1 =3) [view games]
Daniel Fridman 4/7 (+1 -0 =6) [view games]
Avital Boruchovsky 4/7 (+3 -2 =2) [view games]
Alon Greenfeld 4/7 (+2 -1 =4) [view games]
Dronavalli Harika 4/7 (+3 -2 =2) [view games]
Deep Sengupta 4/7 (+2 -1 =4) [view games]
Daniel Gormally 4/7 (+2 -1 =4) [view games]

Oct-09-15  andrewjsacks: That being said, the current craze for Texas Hold-em was engineered by Las Vegas, and the game contains much more luck and far fewer subtle skills than traditional 5 card draw, 7 card stud, and the like. THOSE are poker games. Ask Wild Bill Hickok, et al.
Oct-09-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Aces and Eights, the "dead man's hand."

There was a bar on Lafayette avenue in Manhattan for years named Aces and Eights. They sold a T-shirt, that had the aces and eights cards on one side. The back of the shirt read "Shut up and Drink." I like that.

Oct-09-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <HMM> That is a play on tournament director Jack McClelland's 'Shuffle up and deal!', oft heard in elite poker events across the years, and one of the memories I have from Tunica, Mississippi in 2003.
Oct-09-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <andy> While at first glance, one would think the two games are polar opposites, one trait which contributes to superior skill at both is pattern recognition.
Oct-09-15  andrewjsacks: <perfidious> High native intelligence, some street smartness too, good nerves, caginess, and more...
Oct-09-15  andrewjsacks: <perfidious> In The Art of War, Sun Tzu advised looking strong when you are weak, and weak when you are strong...

Also relevant.

Oct-10-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: in the film Rounders Matt Damon, college poker whiz--law school drop out says "You can always spot the bad players--they act weak when they have good cards, and strong when they are bluffing."

He and Ed Norton were card sharpies playing as a team, showing up in card games as strangers, and using signals while playing. they eventually got their teeth knocked out, not a good endorsement for cheating at poker.

Oct-10-15  andrewjsacks: <HMM> Good film and realistic in the gambling, yet oversimplified in that assessment of theirs, I think.
Oct-12-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: I suspect the average non-player underestimates how much skill there is. Sure, anyone would expect a pro to beat a beginner pretty regularly, but once you get past the rank beginners, you have to recognize there are some pretty decent players who still aren't at the top, while the same players remain there.

As for luck, it's my observation the worst luck in the world is to have a very strong hand that is second best at the table. Getting dealt a pair of Kings when someone else is dealt Aces is a recipe for disaster, and I don't think anyone is good enough to overcome that.

Oct-13-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: speaking of poker movies:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooc...>

Oct-15-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: Arkell did well, but then he played 10 games.
Oct-15-15  sonia91: Pentala Harikrishna won on tiebreak: http://en.chessbase.com/post/pental...
Oct-17-15  Everett: <HeMateMe: Aces and Eights, the "dead man's hand." There was a bar on Lafayette avenue in Manhattan for years named Aces and Eights. They sold a T-shirt, that had the aces and eights cards on one side. The back of the shirt read "Shut up and Drink." I like that.>

Drank there a bit during my days at NYU.

Oct-20-15  Shams: <OCF> <Getting dealt a pair of Kings when someone else is dealt Aces is a recipe for disaster, and I don't think anyone is good enough to overcome that.>

The rich are not like you and me! Check out Hand 32 here for two famous examples:

http://bit.ly/1M5JxoR

Oct-20-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: At Tunica, Mississippi in 2003, I played a pot limit holdem event with a table featuring TJ Cloutier and Dennis Waterman.

One of the six random players at our table broke Dennis with AA vs his KK, and I came to grief a while later against the same guy with AK offsuit vs his aces. Nothing to be done--all the money was going in each time.

Dec-31-15  Hobo Erectus: Right...bum. Never heard of you or seen you in any poker table, stars or not!
Dec-31-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Hobo> ????
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