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| Feb-21-09 | | FiveofSwords: <chessman> thats bizzare, i think the opposite really.. the ruy is slow manouvering and the italian game can be fairly sharp...although it is my least favorite of the open games. Much prefer the 2 knights or scotch or vienna. Anyway none of these games are just about attacking f7, theres a lot of stuff going on. |
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| Feb-21-09 | | chessman95: <FiveofSwords> I see your point, but that's not really what I meant. When I said that the Italian Game is slow manouvering, I meant that in a Giuoco Pianissimo line all that happens is simple development and a few trades, while in the Ruy there is a lot of strategy and tactics to be aware of, and play is not just straight out development but attack and defense of the key e5 pawn. |
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| Feb-22-09 | | FiveofSwords: <bxg7> I really appreciate your being interesting enough to try new ideas in such an old opening. Not enough people do that. Theres really a lot more going on in openings than the cliche plans people are used to, and trying playable sidelines liek this can, at the very least, help you to understand those under-the-surface possiiblities which can lead to better play even in the mainlines. I kinda wish you explained mroe that your general idea with Qc2 is. I guess i can see some possible tactics agains thte hanging bishop on c5 if black opens the c file, and maybe getting a rook quickly to the d file rather than the e file could open some interesting possibilities. Also ive learned theres a lot of tricks you can do from a position similar to this from the black side of the queen's gambit accepted, the queen c2, bishop c4 and Nf3 structure can do some suprising tactics out of nowhere against the kingside. But i wonder if you had other ideas, or if it was just another move to defend the e pawn. |
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| Feb-23-09 | | FiveofSwords: <chessman95> I agree with you there about the giuco pianissimo. Thats quite a dull opening. Fortunately it seems that its only played by pretty weak players so you outplay them anyway. |
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| Feb-23-09 | | MaxxLange: Well, the Pianissimo can be used as an attempt to slowly reach Ruy-like positions, and some strong players do use it. It's certainly not the most ambitious opening... What enrages me is people playing d3 against the Two Knights. |
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| Mar-03-09 | | chessman95: <MaxxLange> Why does d3 in the Two Knights enrage you? It seems like the most logical move: it defends the attacked e4 pawn and does not block in the light-squared bishop which is already developed. |
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| Mar-06-09 | | FiveofSwords: well I disagree by a long shot. d3 there is just not a logical move. Its illogical to give your opponent no problems at all because its pretty unlikely that normal people are going to make mistakes when there is no pressure on their position. |
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| Mar-06-09 | | MaxxLange: <chessman95> White avoids all the juicy positions after 4 d4 or 4 Ng5, depriving me of fun. |
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| Mar-06-09 | | chessman95: <MaxxLange> I see. I would prefer those lines as well! Although I don't play d3, I can see why it would be a boring line. And <FiveofSwords>, the point of playing openings that put pressure on the position is not get them to make mistakes. There's no point in playing a sharp line at all if you're just relying on your opponent to make a blunder, which they usually won't. |
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| Apr-05-10 | | FiveofSwords: well I think chess is all about making the other guy make a mistake. If there are no mistakes its just a draw. You cannot have an advantage in any position if you preculde the possibility of mistakes. |
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Jun-11-10
 | | tpstar: <whiteshark> Thanks for the Wikipedia link about the Blackburne Shilling Gambit. Very helpful. =) <Shadout Mapes> I liked your link too. =) C50 covers quite a rich terrain. |
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Mar-11-11
 | | Penguincw: Opening of the Day :
Giuoco Pianissimo
1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗c4 ♗c5 4.d3 |
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Mar-16-11
| | Penguincw: Opening of the Day:
Blackburne Gambit
1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗c4 ♘d4
Looks like a dangerous opening to me. |
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Jun-06-11
 | | GrahamClayton: Here is an interesting move for Black in the Giuoco Piano: 6...h5?!: 1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗c4 ♗c5 4.0-0 ♘f6 5.d3 d6 6.h3 h5 7.♗g5 ♗g4 8.♘c3 ♘d4 9.hxg4 ♘xf3+ 10.♕xf3 hxg4 11.♕g3 ♕d7 12.♗xf6 gxf6 13.♘d5 ♖h6 14.c3
0-0-0 15.♖fd1 c6 16.♘e3 ♗xe3 17.♕xe3 ♖dh8 18.♔f1 f5 19.exf5 d5 20.♗b3 ♕xf5 21.♕g3 e4 22.d4 e3 23.♔e2 exf2 24.♖f1 ♖e8+ 25.♔d2 ♖f6 26.♗c2 ♕g5+ 27.♔d1 ♖e3 28.♕h2 ♖fe6 0-1 |
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Apr-03-12
| | Penguincw: Opening of the Day
Blackburne Gambit
1.e4 e5 2.♘f3 ♘c6 3.♗c4 ♘d4
click for larger viewThis opening sure is dangerous. If 5.Nxe5 Qg5 6.Nxf7 Qxg2 and it looks bad for white. 
click for larger viewHowever, not taking the pawn, instead taking the knight, and following the top variation, it comes down to this. Opening Explorer |
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| Oct-16-13 | | Kikoman: <Opening of the Day> Giuoco Pianissimo
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d3
click for larger viewOpening Explorer |
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| Oct-22-13 | | Kikoman: <Opening of the Day> Blackburne Gambit
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nd4
click for larger viewOpening Explorer |
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| Jul-10-14 | | ljfyffe: Ryall Variation:<Dr. Isaac Ryall-James Narraway> 1886 correspondence tournament/
1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3Bc4 Bc5 4Bb5 Nf6 5Bxc6 dxc6 6d3 Be6 70-0 Qd6 8Bd2 0-0-0 9h3 h6 10Qe2 Nh5 11Kh1 Nf4 12Bxf4 exf4 13e5 Qd7 14Nbd2 g5 15Ne4 Be7 16Nf6 Bxf6 17exf6 Rdg8 18Ne5 Qd8 19f3 Qxf6 20d4 h5 21g3 fxg3 22Kg2 Qf5 23Rh1 f6 24Nd3 g4 25hxg4 hxg4 26Rxh8 Rxh8 27fxg4 Bd5+ 28Kxg3 Qh7 29Rf1 Qh4+ 30Kf4 f5 31Ke3 fxg4 32Rf4 Re8+ 33Ne5 Qg3+ 0-1
Narraway, New Brunswick; Ryall, Ontario. |
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| Jul-11-14 | | ljfyffe: My understanding is that 1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3Bc4 is named the Italian Game, which would include the subsets Giuoco Piano with 3...Bc5, and the Two Knights with 3...Nf6, etc. |
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| Nov-20-14 | | tranquilsimplicity: Just to wade into the argument or more accurately, discussion in the posts prior; I concur with <FiveOfSwords> that the whole point in combat, sport, a contest and of course Chess is to create conditions where your opponent makes mistakes that you can then exploit. Otherwise it's a draw; a stalemate.# |
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Feb-15-15
 | | gezafan: In the variation 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.d3 d6 it seems that black has a plus score. The explanation would seem to be that weaker players are playing the white side against stronger players. 6.Na4 seems like a good plan. White gets the two bishops and doubles black's pawns. |
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| Mar-15-16 | | ljfyffe: A. Padgett of Boyce, Virginia, as Black against C.A. Estey of Saint John, NB., avoids the Giuoco by playing 3.....d6, and then avoids the Hungarian by not playing 4....Be7, but still manages to win because of faulty play by his opponent: <1e4 e5 2Nf3 Nc6 3Bc4 d6 4d4 h6
5c3? g5 6dxe5 g4 7Ng1? Nxe5 8Bb3 Nf6 9f4 Nc6
10Be3 Nxe4 11Bxf7+?! Kxf7 12Qd5+ Be6 13Qxe4
Qh4+ 14Bf2 Qh5 15Ne2? Bd5 16Qd3 Bxg2
17Ng3 Re8+ 18Kd2 Qd5 19Re1 Rxe1 20Bxe1 Ne7 21c4 Qc5 22Ne2 Bg7 23Nbc3 Re8 24a3?
Nf5 25Ng3 Nh4 26Kc2 Nf3 27Nce4 Nd4+
28Kd1 Bf3+ 29Kd2 Bxe4 30Nxe4 Rxe4! 31Qxe4
Nb3+ 32Kd3 Nxa1 33b4 Qd4+ 34Qxd4 Bxd4,
and White resigns. (St. John Globe, Dec. 13, 1889, chess editor C.F. Stubbs). |
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| Mar-15-16 | | ljfyffe: As reported by the< Brooklyn Chess Chronicle> of Jan. 15, 1884, No. 4, Estey, playing in a 30-player Saint John over-the-board chess tourney stood at 21.5-20.5; GF Fisher, CE Harding, and EJ Harrison, Saint John City champions-to-be also participated. |
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| May-07-17 | | althus: Okay, everyone can agree that the GP is officially hot again at the very top. It's like a few years ago when everyone and his dog was playing the Sveshnikov. As someone whose pet line has long been the GP and has felt like a weirdo for it, I've got to wonder: what happened?? Who rediscovered it as a weapon and made it trendy again? Scrolling through CG, I see something interesting. Before 2015, no super-GM is going anywhere near it except for Jobava, but he is a weirdo too. And then we get two wins by Wei Yi at the 2015 Wijk aan Zee B-tournament. Wei Yi vs D Klein, 2015 Wei Yi vs L'Ami, 2015 The guys at the top notice these things. They would already be studying Wei Yi anyhow to find out who this kid is. And at the same tournament there were these, too: Yifan Hou vs A Giri, 2015 Yifan Hou vs Ivanchuk, 2015 I remember seeing those games then, but that point it still felt like an oddity to find the GP at that level. But then Caruana seems to pick up on it.
Caruana vs Anand, 2015 Caruana vs Kramnik, 2015 And at next year's Wijk aan Zee the floodgates have opened-- the GP is all over the place. Far as I can tell, we've got the Chinese to thank for the revival of the Italian Game. Of course, the specter of the Berlin Wall hanging over everything has a hand in that. Now if only they'd look at the Evans. |
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Jun-08-19
 | | OhioChessFan: <althus: Of course, the specter of the Berlin Wall hanging over everything has a hand in that.> I think that was the primary reason for the resurgence. <Now if only they'd look at the Evans.> Uh, no. |
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