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Sep-30-06
 | | Eric Schiller: I'll post a bit more on this toilet brouha-ha but i9t really is Deja News. Kasparov was just as mad as Topalov until I calmed him down and put in mutually agreed provisions that did no violate either player's dignity (much). As I recall, it took 15-20 minutes to sort out. The only inconvenience was to the arbiters, which is as it should be, |
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Sep-30-06 | | Kean: and then it was kasparov, whom must have been much more excitable than five topalovs... |
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Sep-30-06 | | ARTIN: Eric, don't you think Topalov's appeal (and the way his manager handled it) pursues something more than just fair play? I think that FIDE is losing its credibility day by day. I am wondering if people like you, Ray Keene and others in the chess elite who have certain amount of respect and influence can pressure FIDE to clean up their mess. Because FIDE probably doesn't care what fans like me think, but they are likely to care what you guys think. |
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Sep-30-06 | | ughaibu: FIDE lost their credibility years ago. |
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Sep-30-06
 | | Eric Schiller: No, they don't care what Ray and I think. All I can sday is that we had this exact situation and we handled it easily. They have no clue and don't seem aware of the precedent, which Kasparov, Keene, "Knuckles", Filipowicz and Averbakh can confirm. Kramnik, of course, has been through this before. |
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Sep-30-06 | | whiskeyrebel: How fitting that the FIDE farce loses control of a WC match due to a locked toilet in Kirsan's mighty chess city. If this is where it ends it's appropriate. |
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Oct-08-06 | | schnarre: <whiskeyrebel> Dare we ponder what will come next?! |
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Oct-16-06 | | Kriegspiel: Eric,
Since you are something of a maven where novel openings are concerned, I thought I would seek your wisdom regarding the following. I recently came across a Web site having a section called "Avant Garde (wins by Black)" featuring a lot of games with an unusual, hypermodern Black defense, which incorporates ideas I had been toying with recently, but which I had given up on, not being skilled enough to make them work against a strong chess engine. (Before I found the Web site, I had just assumed that the ideas were something unworkable I had come up with.) The basic final opening position (for Black) -- looks like this:  click for larger viewWhat is this opening, and where do I find out how to play it (books)? These games are classified B06 but that is far too vague. The Web site is: http://www.queensac.com/archive/ope... Kriegspiel
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Oct-29-06 | | Karpova: <Eric Schiller: <Ray> I am Jew-ish, that is I am a genetically the products of Jewish ancestry but I have nothing to do with the religion, culturally my insistence on smoked salmon on a bagel for breakfast is as close as I come, and people familiar with my politics know that I am fiercely opposed to Israeli policy. Not that I have any prejudice against those who choose to follow that particular religion, any more so than any other religion with an anthropomorphic deity.> <Eric Schiller> i post this here though it's from <Ray Keene>'s site.
I think it's quite interseting to see you justifying your and excusing for your religion. What happened on Keene's site: There's obviously a malinformation on Wikipedia stating he was jewish. He is not. That's all. Of course, might sound starnge to emphasize this but he tries to put it into persepctive by making clear that he has jewish friends and acquaintances. So he doesn't feel insulted by being called a jew but it's just not true. As if they were stating he was female - nothing bad about being female - but just not true. Now, he gave you as an example for a jewish friend and the first thing you come up with - your very first reaction - is to make sure that judaism doesn't play any role for you in your life. You are like as less jewish as possible. You do even condemn Israel's foreign policy.
The question is: why? Do you think there was any reason to state that as if <Ray Keene>'s statement had damaged your reputation?
Or just another display of the famous jewish self-hatred? |
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Oct-29-06 | | Zebra: <ARTIN: I think that FIDE is losing its credibility day by day. I am wondering if people like you, Ray Keene and others in the chess elite who have certain amount of respect and influence can pressure FIDE to clean up their mess. Because FIDE probably doesn't care what fans like me think, but they are likely to care what you guys think.> What I would like to see is for these same respected people to get together with world champion Kramnik and take the world championship out of the hands of FIDE all together. |
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Oct-29-06 | | eggwipe: <Now, he gave you as an example for a jewish friend and the first thing you come up with - your very first reaction - is to make sure that judaism doesn't play any role for you in your life. You are like as less jewish as possible. You do even condemn Israel's foreign policy. The question is: why? Do you think there was any reason to state that as if <Ray Keene>'s statement had damaged your reputation? Or just another display of the famous jewish self-hatred?> What the hell? |
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Oct-29-06 | | Ziggurat: <Karpova> Why the outburst? Clearly, there is a difference between ancestry and religion, which was what Schiller was getting at. |
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Oct-29-06
 | | Open Defence: I think Eric might have been trying to get the point that even though one may have Jewish ancestory .. it does not mean you practice Judaism and hence the term "Jewish" can mean different things.... but only he can verify this.... |
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Oct-29-06 | | Karpova: <Ziggurat>
Just wondering why <Eric Schiller> felt it was necessary to state that.
They were talking about Wikipedia being unreliable.
<Eric Schiller> gave an answer to that but he emphasized how less he has to do with his mosaic religion (that it's in fact not <his> religion) which was completely out of context there.
That's why i'm asking. |
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Oct-29-06 | | eggwipe: <<Eric Schiller> gave an answer to that but he emphasized how less he has to do with his mosaic religion (that it's in fact not <his> religion) which was completely out of context there.> It wasn't out of context. Keene was listed as a Jewish chess player on wiki - he isn't and said so. He mentioned that some of his friends are Jewish, including Eric. Eric qualified that by saying that he's Jewish by ancestry but not by religious practice. At no point can it be inferred from his comments that he is a 'self-hating' Jew. He even said: <Not that I have any prejudice against those who choose to follow that particular religion>. It's like he was anticipating an overly sensitive response from someone. |
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Oct-29-06 | | Karpova: <eggwipe: It wasn't out of context. Keene was listed as a Jewish chess player on wiki - he isn't and said so.> So what was the context: Reliability of Wikipedia.
Not what <Eric Schiller> thinks about <his> religion. What does <Eric Schiller>'s statement he was jewish by ancestry and not by religious practice have to do with Wikipedia? <At no point can it be inferred from his comments that he is a 'self-hating' Jew.> Nobody inferred this. There's a difference between a claim and a question (i.e. the use of a question mark). |
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Oct-29-06
 | | Sneaky: The term "Jewish" can mean two entirely different things: the religion, and the heritage/ethnicity. Therefore it's a perfectly reasonable distinction to make-- personally I appreciate it. P.S. Eric, your website is offline. Check into that. |
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Oct-29-06 | | Lt. Col. Majid: <Sneaky: The term "Jewish" can mean two entirely different things: the religion, and the heritage/ethnicity. Therefore it's a perfectly reasonable distinction to make-- personally I appreciate it.> Well put ... I agree entirely. I see nothing wrong with Eric making that distincton which I also appreciate. |
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Oct-29-06 | | eggwipe: <Karpova> <So what was the context: Reliability of Wikipedia.
Not what <Eric Schiller> thinks about <his> religion. What does <Eric Schiller>'s statement he was jewish by ancestry and not by religious practice have to do with Wikipedia?> The context was not exclusively that. As I said previously, Ray Keene also mentioned that some of his friends were Jewish - like Eric. Eric responded saying he is Jew-ish. So he wasn't kibitzing off-topic. <There's a difference between a claim and a question (i.e. the use of a question mark).> Yes, and I can ask you if you're a paedophile, right? Asking questions like that suggests that you might be, so you did <infer>. |
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Oct-29-06 | | Karpova: <eggwipe: The context was not exclusively that. As I said previously, Ray Keene also mentioned that some of his friends were Jewish - like Eric. Eric responded saying he is Jew-ish. So he wasn't kibitzing off-topic.> <Ray Keene> said that some of his friends were jewish, etc. to make sure that he didn't have anything against jews or something but that Wikipedia had wrong information. That's all. Eric didn't just respond saying he was jewish but also made this distinction and put great emphasis on the distinction itself.
The question i was asking is: Why did he feel like having to distinguish between his jewish ancestry and his (non existent) religious practice? And that's why <Sneaky> completely misses the point.
It's not about the distinction itself but about bringing it up when they're talking about Wikipedia's article on <Ray Keene> |
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Oct-29-06 | | eggwipe: <Karpova> I think you're seeing something that isn't there. Eric didn't take what Ray said as a slur. <Eric didn't just respond saying he was jewish but also made this distinction and put great emphasis on the distinction itself.> I don't see the 'great emphasis.' <I am a genetically the products of Jewish ancestry but I have nothing to do with the religion> Is it the latter part of that sentence? I don't think he means 'I have nothing to do with...' in the sense that he turns his nose up at it. Indeed, he made this clear. <Not that I have any prejudice against those who choose to follow that particular religion>. <Why did he feel like having to distinguish between his jewish ancestry and his (non existent) religious practice?> You didn't have to say that and I don't have to this, but you did and I am. If we only had to speak out of necessity the Chessgames pages would be empty. I'm repeating myself, but Eric replied (rather than reacted) to something Ray said. It wasn't as if he said out of nowhere 'I'm not a Jew! I'm not a Jew!' (that would be weird). |
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Oct-29-06 | | Karpova: <eggwipe: <Karpova> I think you're seeing something that isn't there. Eric didn't take what Ray said as a slur.> No, it's the other way round - you see something that isn't there.
First, the context of <Eric>'s statement regarding judaism when there was none. I already explained why <Ray Keene> came up with this topic (due to the Wikipedia article on him).
Second, i never said or though or insinuated <Eric> took <Ray Keene>'s comment as a slur. This was completely out of question. <Is it the latter part of that sentence? I don't think he means 'I have nothing to do with...' in the sense that he turns his nose up at it. Indeed, he made this clear.> Your last sentence is the important one! I'm actually asking why he felt he had to make this clear as if this had anything to do with the Wikipedia article on <Ray Keene>. It's about nothing else. |
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Oct-29-06 | | eggwipe: <i never said or though or insinuated <Eric> took <Ray Keene>'s comment as a slur.> I based that on you saying:
<Do you think there was any reason to state that as if <Ray Keene>'s statement had damaged your reputation?> <I'm actually asking why he felt he had to make this clear> I don't think he felt he had to make it clear. He said it as a point of interest for Ray. |
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Oct-29-06
 | | Domdaniel: <Kriegspiel> That position you give isn't so much a specific opening line as it is an extreme example of two competing structures/systems. White's development is very classical - almost to the point of naivety. Central pawns on e4 and d4, knights on f3 and c3, bishops on c4 and f4, kingside castling and R+Q on central files - it's something like a textbook from 100 years ago would give as an example of ideal development. Black, by contrast, is totally hypermodern. Both bishops fianchettoed, knights on e7 and d7, 3rd rank hedgehog-style pawn shield with ...a6/b6/d6/e6/g6/h6. Once again, something of an exaggeration. Their relative merits in this precise position is another question, of course. |
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Oct-29-06 | | Karpova: <eqqwipe: <I'm actually asking why he felt he had to make this clear> I don't think he felt he had to make it clear. He said it as a point of interest for Ray.> Cause it has so much to do with Wikipedia's reliability, right?
And <Ray Keene> said that <Eric Schiller> was his friend so maybe he doesn't need <chessgames.com> to tell <Ray Keene> about his ancestry. Or do you want to insinuate they had no other possibility to communicate? |
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