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| Jan-21-24 | | Messiah: Ding's 18...Qc7 seems to be hair raisingly weird, but I do not <know> exactly why, it is just a feeling. Currently I have got no time to analyze the tons of variations, and I cannot simply fire up an engine. My first idea is something like 19.Ne4, and no matter how I watch the position, White is almost winning because of the Black Rooks, who will enter the combat always in at least a tempo disadvantage. But it is tactically too complicated for me! Can anyone say somthing about it? Thanks in advance. |
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| Jan-21-24 | | Teyss: Hi Rdb,
Santosh Gujrathi is the full patronym so apparently it is then common to call the person by his "unique" name: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidit... (first line). But then I'm not familiar with Indian traditions. Anand is an interesting one. Everyone calls him Vishy, nickname based on his patronym (apparently he doesn't mind) or more accurately Anand. Both ways we avoid spelling "Viswanathan". |
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| Jan-21-24 | | Teyss: Hi Great Gorgeous Geoff the Demon of the 64 Squares,
Yes that was the post I was thinking about. There was another one on some other thread but I can't recall it now. I'm not worried about top GMs looking at this site, they have more important things to do although they would have fun if they did. (Alireza if you're reading this, congrats on your win today.) It's just about accuracy and consistency, no big deal really. Shortening is also ok for complex names like Nepo or MVL. So I hope you won't mind if I just call you "Great Gorgeous Demon of the 64 Squares" from now on. |
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| Jan-21-24 | | Rdb: <Teyss: Hi Rdb,
Santosh Gujrathi is the full patronym so apparently it is then common to call the person by his "unique" name>In India, nobody would call him Santosh (that is his father's name). People would either call him Vidit (his 'unique' name) or by his surname , that is Gujrathi. |
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Jan-21-24
 | | stevemcd87: My picks for tomorrow's <live game>, ordered by preference:
Gukesh vs Vidit
Giri vs Ding
Firouzja vs Donchenko
Suggestions are welcomed |
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Jan-21-24
 | | offramp: This was a good round for live games.
Poor Ding Liren (GM) got really badly duffed up by Firouzja. Nepo won a good game. Those two guys were antagonists at the WC Final in UZB. I bet Nepo is a <gloater>. |
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| Jan-21-24 | | goodevans: <stevemcd87> Your choices look good to me but I suggest you tune in on Tuesday. If you tune in tomorrow you'll have a long wait. ;o) |
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| Jan-21-24 | | stone free or die: <<sally> These lads all gave me a shortened version of their first name. (just like Vishy and Viswanathan)> (Raises eyebrow) |
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Jan-21-24
| | offramp: <stone free or die: <<sally> These lads all gave me a shortened version of their first name. (just like Vishy and Viswanathan)>
(Raises eyebrow)>
In India you are known as "Stoney". |
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| Jan-21-24 | | technical draw: <Great Gorgeous Geoff the Demon of the 64 Squares>, that's good because I always think you are female. |
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Jan-21-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Stoney,
I was using Anand as an acceptable shortening of an Indian name. It has 'Vishy' on his WIKI page and Vishy is used by Indian newspapers. His name is Anand I shall make an effort to remember that but I'll pass on pulling people up about it. Mind you. I get all titted up when I see 'Kaspy; or 'Karpy' and don't get me started on people who call the Scandinavian Defence the 'Scando.' Arghhh! ---
Nine players all within a point of each other leading after 8 rounds. 12 White wins, 12 Black wins, 32 draws. Rest day tomorrow https://tatasteelchess.com/masters/... I vote for Giri v Ding live game. |
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| Jan-21-24 | | Rdb: Names - this time , A badminton player from Taiwan <On Sunday afternoon, as she wrapped up a comfortable 21-16, 21-12 win over Yufei, Tai Tzu Ying played her last match at the India Open..."Come on Tai Tzu! Let’s go Tai Tzu!” they’d shout out at the end of almost every other point. The subject of their adoration would later crack a smile at the chants. “Tai is my father’s name. My name is Tzu Ying! So when the crowd was saying, ‘Let’s go Tai Tzu’, it didn’t make sense at first,” she told the media after the match. Did she want to issue a correction to her fans? “No, it’s ok!” she laughed> https://sportstar.thehindu.com/badm... |
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| Jan-21-24 | | Teyss: There's some Ding bashing here and there. Granted, a performance of 2684 is unworthy of a rated #4 WC but remember he was close to inactive for almost a year and at that level not experiencing highly competitive events can be hazardous to your form. He mentioned he was ill without being specific, does anyone know what it was about: physical, psychological, excuse for lack of motivation? Is it still affecting him now? It will be difficult for him to be back to top form before the end of the tournament since it's so intense in terms of length and level, however he probably still has the capacity to limit damage against the best and score points against others. Unfortunately tomorrow, er, Tuesday he's facing Giri and Wednesday Nepo who will both be eager to lead the field. Giri has a good score against Ding (+5 -2 =21) and Nepo partly knows how to handle him. If Ding can hold he then has three rounds against much lower rated players to rally. As other users, I predicted he would finish Wijk mid-field. Let's hope it will be better, not worse. Afterwards he has less than a year to get up to speed for the WC. Being able to solve one's issues rapidly is the mark of great champions, we'll see if he's of that calibre. Hopefully he will be much more active, both for his prep and for the pleasure of seeing him play his best. |
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| Jan-21-24 | | fabelhaft: <There's some Ding bashing here and there> I don’t know, I think no one in the whole world dislikes him, unlike his predecessors, and people are probably much less prone to bash him than other World Champions. Kramnik was severely criticised for his results during the 00s, and still he did quite ok, winning a bunch of super tournaments. He finished top three in his three tournaments in 2001, and Kasparov and Anand were the only players to finish ahead of him. Result wise Ding is judged comparatively generously, and in the Reddit discussions it is often claimed that Spassky and Euwe scored worse results as World Champions than Ding. But if you look at the results they scored as title holders I don’t think it is all that clear. Spassky scored an undefeated +33 in his first six individual tournaments as World Champion, and won the first board gold in the Olympiad 1970, while Euwe finished top three in all his four tournaments as World Champion, and those events were super strong. His lowest finish was third, 0.5 behind Capa and Botvinnik in the five World Champion tournament in Nottingham 1936. Maybe some people are unhappy that their bets aren’t coming off as hoped, but it was a bit optimistic by all betting sites to have him as such a big favourite to win this tournament. |
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| Jan-22-24 | | greed and death: This discussion about patronymics reminds me of the story I've heard (which perhaps others here are familiar with and can fill in more details) about a Western grandmaster whose name escapes me, but who got a chance to visit Moscow and attempted to call Mikhail Botvinnik, only to have the operator refuse to put the call through without a patronymic because he would never address such a titan of Soviet sport as informally as 'Mikhail Botvinnik'. This Western player managed to find a bookstore, get the patronymic, and get the operator to put a call through to Mikhail Moiseyevich, so it all worked out in the end. |
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Jan-22-24
 | | Susan Freeman: <Steve> I pick Ding.
<greed and death> Interesting anecdote! |
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| Jan-22-24 | | goodevans: <Teyss ... CG seems to be inconsistent again: "Ding Liren" and "Wenjun Ju"> CG can't even manage consistency within Wenjun Ju player page. There she is referred to five times as <Wenjun Ju> and three times as <Ju Wenjun> (four if you include the pronunciation guide). I believe the latter are all older references from before CG decided to swap her names around. Quite why they did this beats me. This inconsistency is shoddy and disrespectful. She's the WWC for heaven's sake. |
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| Jan-22-24 | | goodevans: P.S. I've submitted a correction slip. We'll see if that does anything. |
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| Jan-22-24 | | Teyss: Hi Rdb,
<In India, nobody would call him Santosh (that is his father's name). People would either call him Vidit (his 'unique' name) or by his surname , that is Gujrathi.> Thanks for the precision. For info on the FIDE site he's referred to as "Vidit, Santosh Gujrathi" (same as e.g. "Carlsen, Magnus"). Likewise for "Nihal Sarin" (no comma, not very consistent). But "Erigaisi Arjun", go figure. Apparently these Western sites (FIDE, chess.com, Wikipedia) have trouble understanding other cultures. Nice anecdote about the badminton player! |
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Jan-22-24
 | | Stonehenge: <goodevans>
The problem with putting the surname first is that they also do that in Hungary. So by that convention, we should change Peter Leko to Leko Peter and Judit Polgar to Polgar Judit etc. Secondly the FIDE player cards always put the surnames first and then a comma. For example Carlsen, Magnus; Van Foreest, Jorden and also Ju, Wenjun; Ding, Liren. |
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Jan-22-24
 | | MissScarlett: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. |
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| Jan-22-24 | | Refused: Really interesting tournament thus far, with no run-away leader. Anish, what happened to you my beautiful prince, you were perfect with a beautiful 100% drawing rate. Like a swiss clock. What time is it? Anish has drawn. There's also the tale of two world champions.
Ju doing relatively well with 3.5/8, and Ding not doing well with 3.5/8. Also sidenote. I know every French player will sorta hate Ju for her win against Alireza for playing the exchange variation. |
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Jan-22-24
| | Sally Simpson: The Exchange French was very popular in the olden golden days. Even today outside of the top field it scores well on the lower boards. The player of the Black pieces relaxes and plays sensible non-critical moves and soon drifts into a poor position which theory wise they have not studied. On the other hand John Watson thinks White is in Zugzwang after the exchange and gives some reasonable ideas for Black. So play 3.exd5, lose a tempo, Bf1-e2 and then Be2 -d3 and borrow them. It is also a good weapon v a player needing a win if you just need a draw. (or maybe not see M Gurevich vs Short, 1990 (kibitz #9)) |
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Jan-22-24
 | | Check It Out: Carlsen beat up on Rapport recently with the exchange French: Carlsen vs Rapport, 2023 |
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Jan-22-24
 | | keypusher: My God, they're resting AGAIN?!?
<sally><Exchange French> It scores under 50% in the cg database for White, presumably because it's usually employed by weaker players going for a draw. Opening Explorer The games I can remember with it are Gurevich-Short, which Sally already noted, and W Winter vs Alekhine, 1936. Not so good. But Morphy always played it, and Kasparov tried it a few times. |
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