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Oct-27-25
 | | Petrosianic: <Qualifying for, let alone winning another candidates is not a given by any means,> He didn't say it was a given, he said "there's every chance". And, since a defeated champion is seeded into the next candidates, his qualification for that, at least, is a given. |
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| Nov-13-25 | | Albertan: World Champ to World Cup loss:Gajewski plots Gukesh revival in 2026: https://www.espn.com/chess/story/_/... |
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Nov-20-25
 | | FSR: The last two world champions haven't exactly distinguished themselves, though Gukesh's post-championship results weren't as bad as Ding Liren's. Gukesh and Ding are Nos. 10 and 16 in the world. https://2700chess.com/ Carlsen continues to be the highest rated player in the world, with a live rating over 29 points above No. 2 Nakamura. I would love to see Naka become world champion. |
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| Nov-20-25 | | fabelhaft: <since a defeated champion is seeded into the next candidates, his qualification for that, at least, is a given> The free spot for defeated champions has been abolished, which is why Ding wasn't seeded into these Candidates. |
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| Nov-21-25 | | Albertan: FiDE Announces The List Of Players Participating In The 2025 World Rapid And Blitz Chess Championships: https://www.fide.com/fide-announces... World Champion Gukesh has announced he will partipate in thèse events. |
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| Dec-11-25 | | Albertan: World Rapid and Blitz Champions To Qualify for Total Chess World Champions Tour: https://www.fide.com/world-rapid-an... |
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| Dec-12-25 | | Albertan: Grandmaster Anand is interviewed and speaks about Gukesh’s playing form thé last year, at he following link: https://indianexpress.com/article/s... |
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Dec-12-25
 | | Petrosianic: Albertan: Grandmaster Anand is interviewed and speaks about Gukesh’s playing form thé last year, at he following link:> Could you paraphrase these articles in your own words, to show a) that you read them yourself, and b) that they're worth reading? The world is full of links, but if you posted them all here it would just make a clutter. |
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Jan-28-26
 | | Sally Simpson: Anand on Gukesh over the past year.
While Anand feels that the additional scrutiny of Gukesh’s results is unfair, he understands it: “Look, Gukesh wanted to become world champion, this is what comes with the territory, he’s got to put up with it, that’s all. I don’t think it’s necessarily fair that everybody analyzes him, but that’s the job description.” "He’s been experimenting in lots of formats. He’s willing to travel, he’s willing to go out there and try again and again.
He’s not sitting on prestige (of being world champion). These are healthy qualities. His year in classical events, it’s fairly acceptable. I mean, losing a tiebreak at Wijk aan Zee [2025 see Tata Steel Masters (2025) doesn’t mean you’ve had a bad tournament.
His performance in Norway Chess didn’t fit any mold, but in its own way, it was hopefully satisfactory. It’s true that subsequently, whether it’s Grand Swiss, or World Cup, or, especially the faster formats, he’s probably disappointed.
My own feeling is, no big deal. As long as he keeps pounding away at it, he’ll eventually correct the formula,” |
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Jan-29-26
 | | Petrosianic: <Sally Simpson>: <“Look, Gukesh wanted to become world champion, this is what comes with the territory, he’s got to put up with it, that’s all.> Well, sort of. Before the rating system started in 1970 it wasn't the same. A champion might have an off result, but there was no specific metric to say he wasn't the best despite being champion. For about 50 years after the rating system began we were lucky enough to have the champion also be the #1 player for most of that time. People got spoiled and expect it to be that way all the time, but there's no guarantee. We might go through decades of first-among-equals champions. Ever since the rating system started there have been people who took it too seriously. No matter how clearly the designers of the system say that it's a general measure of recent results, people ignore that and regard it as an absolute measure of playing ability. Topalov made that mistake in 2006. Even though he had a heavy lifetime losing score against Kramnik, Kramnik's rating was down at the time due to illness. Topalov declared that Kramnik was unworthy to play him because the ratings showed that he was "half a rating class" better than Kramnik. Who knows how much that belief had to do with his overreaching in the first two games of the match, and losing them both? Shortly afterwards I remember the Anand fans on Chessninja being hugely upset because Topalov came out one point ahead of Anand on a rating list. While the #1 spot is a nice trophy, margins that small don't really mean anything about who's better. |
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Jan-29-26
 | | Sally Simpson: <Petrosianic>
Agreed ratings are overrated and were primarily designed to seed players as to what section in a tournament they could play in, the bonus being it helped team captains justify board orders in team matches. It is a rough guide to a playing strength and probably the best we can have (unless AI comes up with a better one)
It is fairly accurate, certainly not random. The higher rated players does win more often, not always, but often enough to say the prediction formula works and the best players do hog the top spots. However, It is taken far too seriously, players dropping down by 10-20 points have not got worse overnight. One slip due to any of the numerous reasons why a human losses a game and you drop a few points. As Anand said; 'It's no big deal.' The funniest thing about the numbers game are punters sometimes saying a player is 'only' 2600.
A rating of 2600 means you are a very good chess player. |
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| Jan-29-26 | | fabelhaft: <Before the rating system started in 1970 it wasn't the same. A champion might have an off result, but there was no specific metric to say he wasn't the best> No metric, but it’s not like most people considered Ding to not be the best player in the world due to the rating system or one off result. His results were just not good enough to make him universally seen as the best player. <I remember the Anand fans on Chessninja being hugely upset because Topalov came out one point ahead of Anand on a rating list> I think that one had to do with Topalov widely being considered to be a FIDE favourite, and FIDE for the first time not including the results from Linares on the next rating list in spite of it ending three weeks before the list was published. The result being that Topalov was #1 instead of Anand. I think it was considered an especially big deal since Anand never had been #1 before. FIDE did correct that mistake though: https://www.rediff.com/sports/2007/... |
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Jan-29-26
 | | Sally Simpson: Gukesh is currently No.1 on the Junior ratings. (Erdogmus is second) https://2700chess.com/juniors
Given the strength of these juniors, every one of them in the top 20 is a GM, Gukesh is not doing too bad. |
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Jan-29-26
 | | Petrosianic: <Sally Simpson>: <However, It is taken far too seriously, players dropping down by 10-20 points have not got worse overnight.> My favorite example of the dangers of taking ratings too seriously is the 1968 Candidates Final. Before the match the chessmetrics ratings were: Korchnoi - 2781
Spassky - 2753
After the match, the ratings were:
Korchnoi - 2769
Spassky - 2766
The loser of this match should have got the title shot! |
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| Jan-29-26 | | stone free or die: RE: <Ratings>
Anyone else watch the Carlsen videos where he asks a few chessic questions (within 3m) and "guesses" the player's rating? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeG...
One of his favorite questions - "Can you checkmate with a N+B?" |
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| Jan-29-26 | | fabelhaft: <The loser of this match should have got the title shot!> I doubt anyone would argue that the loser of the match should get the title shot due to being 3 points ahead in some retroactive rating system that was invented many decades later... I don't think anyone claimed that Ding who finished 5th/6th in the Candidates 2020/21 should have gotten the title match in 2021 by being seeded first in the candidates either. |
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Jan-29-26
 | | Petrosianic: <fabelhaft>: <I don't think anyone claimed that Ding who finished 5th/6th in the Candidates 2020/21 should have gotten the title match in 2021 by being seeded first in the candidates either.> You're right, in practice they wouldn't argue it openly, they'd just get very silent when things like that were pointed out, then a moment later resume talking as if ratings were the ultimate determiner. |
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Jan-29-26
 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <One of his favorite questions - "Can you checkmate with a N+B?"> Is he asking "Is this a forced win?", or is he asking "Can you personally do it?" If he asked me the second question, I'd say "Maybe". I mean I could absolutely do it from this position:  click for larger viewBut how about from this position?
 click for larger viewMaybe, but I couldn't just do it in my sleep. I'd have to think about it to get the procedure right. Who ever has to do this in a real game? The only times I've ever played this ending were when I underpromoted in order to deliberately create the ending in positions where I was sure I'd be able to win it. |
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| Jan-29-26 | | stone free or die: <P> let's just say he asked the 2350 player, after learning his last tournament was yesterday, if he could do it in under a minute. |
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| Mar-04-26 | | Whitehat1963: He seems to be going the way of Ding Liren! |
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Mar-05-26
 | | Sally Simpson: Speaking of Ding Liren, I spotted a prophetic post from 2011. "Skakalec: What a techic for a 9-year old up comming world champion!" Ding Liren vs J Zhang, 2001 (kibitz #1) |
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| Mar-12-26 | | Whitehat1963: Having the World Chess Champion title might be an enormous burden when you know you are actually just a pretender and that Carlsen is far and away the best player in the world even though he chooses not to play for the now meaningless title. |
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Mar-12-26
 | | Petrosianic: <Whitehat1963: Having the World Chess Champion title might be an enormous burden when you know you are actually just a pretender and that Carlsen is far and away the best player in the world even though he chooses not to play for the now meaningless title.> Carlsen himself admits that he can't win a world championship match with the level of preparation he's able to make himself put into it any more. Ergo, Gukesh's title is totally legitimate, it's Khalifman, Pono, Kasim, Veselin, and even Vishy who were pretenders. And Vishy eventually became the real deal. At least Carlsen is doing better than Fischer, who was eventually unable to play at all. Carlsen can play anything except a title match. |
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| Mar-13-26 | | Whitehat1963: <Petrosianic>, is it that Carlsen cannot, or is he no longer interested in preparing for the match? Has he become too lazy? |
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Mar-13-26
 | | Petrosianic: He says he can't motivate himself to do the prep necessary to win, and he's not willing to try without that prep. I'm not really convinced that 6 months of prep is necessary. I'd love to see what would happen if Carlsen prepared for a championship match like he would any other tournament. If he lost he'd have a built-in excuse. But I guess he doesn't want to lose even with an excuse. So he's motivated not to lose, but not motivated to win. As far as I know, Lasker is the only one who went into a championship match cold, and he didn't start off too badly. According to Bernstein: <I met Lasker on the evening before his departure. and we had this conversation."Have you made any preparations for the match?" "No." "Have you taken time out to rest?" "No."
"At least are you taking along a chessboard in order to study chess on the voyage? " "No." "Have you reviewed the openings you will play and studied the games of Capablanca?" "No." "That is pure madness," I said. There was no answer. The outcome confirmed my fears. Without preparation, and handicapped additionally by age and climate, Lasker lost pitifully.> Well, wait a minute. Despite all those disadvantages, Lasker still drew 8 out of the first 9 games. Take away the age and the bad climate and who knows. I'd like to see Carlsen try this. |
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