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Jan-16-25
 | | Open Defence: <visayanbraindoctor> welcome back! |
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Jan-16-25
 | | perfidious: All hail the return of <vbd>! |
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Jan-16-25 | | visayanbraindoctor: <Open Defence, perfidious> Thank you all! |
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Jan-16-25 | | fabelhaft: Gukesh and Anand in... well... something :-)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE4j... |
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Jan-31-25 | | visayanbraindoctor: Gukesh leading Tata's.
I'm not quite acquainted with his play, but as far as I can see in Tata, his play seems closer in stye to Carlsen/ Karpov/ Petrosian's than to Kasparov/ Alekhine' |
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Jan-31-25 | | visayanbraindoctor: My thoughts regarding the quick game tiebreakers for the World Championship Match: i. Ideally the Champion must have beaten the old one to be Champion. ii. I hate these FIDE quick game tie-breaks to decide the Classical Champion. iii. The tiebreakers should be as fair as possible. Notice that in the traditional Champion-retains-Title-in-a-tie, all the Champion needs is a tied match to retain his Title. Advantage Champion. My recommendation is we give more Whites to the Challenger. Advantage Challenger. So things even out.
We still retain the tradition of the Challenger beating the Champ to get the Title. The Challenger gets to do it in a classical game, not a quick game. Thus suggestion if the World Championship match ends in a tie: Additional classical games with a limit, wherein the Challenger receives more Whites. If the Champion manages to tie or win at the end, he retains the Title. Thus the tiebreaker can be one extra White game for the Challenger. Or two, three, or four. Concretely, say two additional games. Challenger gets to play all two Whites. He has to win all two additional games as Whites. Or win one White and draw his remaining White game. If the score is tied after two games, the Titleholder retains the World Championship. We could even vary further, say one Black followed by one to three Whites for the Challenger. Studies can be made in order to determine the best specific format (of Blacks and Whites) that can afford the Challenger a fair chance at winning. IMO this would probably be welcomed by most of the chess world in terms of the sporting excitement it affords. Here we have the Challenger; forced to try all means to win in classical games against a sitting Champion that only needs to draw all the tiebreak games. A real drama at the end of the match. If the match still ends in a tie, the Champion retains his Title, and deservedly so since he got more Blacks. This way the Challenger must beat the Champion in a classical game (not a quick game) in order to grab the Title, and in so doing win the match outright. |
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Jan-31-25 | | Mayankk: Hi <VBD>,
It is an interesting suggestion but I can't see how it can be termed fair for the challenger unless the tiebreak extend pretty long with the challenger as White in all of them. Say probabilities are 35%, 35% and 30% respectively for a White win, draw and Black win in a typical GM game. If they play just 1 game, incumbent has 65% odds of winning, assuming both have similar strength. If they play 2 games with challenger having White in both, incumbent odds are still a hefty 63%. One has to simulate as many as 9 games for the odds to balance out Of course the counter is that the challenger has to demonstrate higher strength to wrest the crown and so his odds of winning as White should be greater than 35%. But one can also say that with the advent of engines, Black may have better odds to draw as well, if that is his primary objective. But yes, interesting discussion and thanks for that. |
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Jan-31-25
 | | alexmagnus: I once calculated that for the odds to even out, a 19-game match with 12 whites and 7 blacks for the challenger would have to be played. While fair in practice, it feels so unfair that I doubt anyone would agree. As for thing quick games, their quality so far had been no worse than the classical ones. Btw, <VBD>, at least finally you deleted the "non-European non-American" passage in your bio. It never made sense. And the current situation only confirms that it never made sense. |
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Jan-31-25
 | | alexmagnus: But I don't understand this concern about quick games anyway. Quick games tiebreakers were introduced in 2006. Since them: Not a single match reached the blitz stage.
Not a single world champion lost his title in rapids. So what if once in a few decades one of those things happens? And this has never been a classical championship. It's a <chess> championship. And will always be. Also, world championship doesn't mean best player. It stopped meaning best player the very day the institution of world championship was introduced. |
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Jan-31-25
 | | alexmagnus: I am pro rapids (but against blitz) as tiebreaker. In rapids the difference in skill is more pronounced, so that the outsider (which can be either champion or challenger) has an incentive to avoid them. The pressure is on whoever is the outsider, not on the challenger. This way, we don't let a match against some different guy two years ago influence a current match. |
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Feb-01-25 | | Mayankk: Actually the number of games to be played as White, so as to justify draw odds, varies greatly depending on what probabilities we assign to a White win or draw. This seems to be another major flaw with this hypothesis. Sports rules are usually constructed such that the idea of fairness is obvious to any layman. In a way it is similar to Armaggedon where one side gets less time but has draw odds. No one knows what time differential makes it fair and so it has never really caught up as a tie-break rule. |
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Feb-01-25
 | | alexmagnus: Actually, this is another reason I've always opposed draw odds for any side. It changes the rules of the game. Basically turning into a "classical armageddon". A chess match with draw odds is no longer a chess match. |
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Feb-04-25 | | chatushkon64: Gukesh's bio should definitely include his performances at the Chennai and Budapest Olympiads. They are among the major highlights of his career. |
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Feb-14-25 | | visayanbraindoctor: <alexmagnus>
We've already talked about how our fundamental presuppositions differ. You find nothing wrong with quick games tie breaks. I do. Any further discussion on our part will be influenced by our differing fundamental presuppositions, that in the end we will have to agree to disagree. I think we've already discussed this before. We shall be riding on a never-ending merry go round, which I simply do not have time to ride on, given my other works and endeavors. <I once calculated that for the odds to even out, a 19-game match with 12 whites and 7 blacks for the challenger would have to be played..> This is an interesting thought though. Why not narrow it down to a 12/7 and 7/7 mini-match if the main match ends in a tie? Rounded off, that would be a short 3-game match of 2 Whites to to the Challenger, and One White to the defending Champion. If it ends in a tie, then the Defending Champion holds on to the Title. If the Challenger wins the mini-match, then he would take the Title. Thus the tradition of getting the WC Title via classical times controls would be preserved. And the tie break would just be a 3-game classical match, which I'm sure everyone can tolerate. <Mayankk> If I may, I'd opt to answer you with the same paragraphs above. |
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Mar-08-25
 | | offramp:
00:00:13 Chinese Universal National Time
From the desk of Mr Lionel Lloyd [see previous address]. <FIDÉ IS A PAPER TIGER
Dateline: From <Committee Room of Shanghai Honorable Club of Mahjonng Yahtzee, Chess & Pai Gow>. Esteemed Grandmaster Mr Ding Liren on behalf of <Chinese Central Sports Committee> requires
<REMATCH WITH Dommaraju Gukesh PAPER TIGER WITHIN 6 LUNAR MONTHS OF APRIL 1ST 2025>
Match unlimited and winner to have 10 wins. Match to be decided drawn if both players have 8 wins. Venue: Match will be held in <Bhutan>. Held in first two weeks in November 2025.> That will be a great match. |
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Mar-08-25 | | whiteshark: Two weeks to achieve 10 wins seems to me to be a rather optimistic calculation. |
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Apr-25-25 | | Albertan: ‘’D.Gukesh doesn’t particularly need to prove anything to anyone’’: https://www.hindustantimes.com/spor... |
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May-18-25 | | stone free or die:
<Magnus Carlsen on whether D Gukesh is a worthy world chess champion or not: 'He’s done incredibly well...'<Carlsen hails Gukesh as a “worthy champion”>> https://www.firstpost.com/sports/ch... The interview was previously mentioned here:
Superbet Romania Chess Classic (2025) (kibitz #56) |
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May-19-25 | | Petrosianic: What does that mean "Worthy champion"? How many of the 18 does he consider unworthy? |
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May-19-25
 | | perfidious: As Narayanan also said:
<....'As for Gukesh’s results in freestyle, I think 1-2 tournaments is far too early to draw any major conclusions.'> |
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May-19-25 | | Petrosianic: <alexmagnus:> <A chess match with draw odds is no longer a chess match.> Do you feel that way about all tiebreakers? Or at least all non-OTB tiebreakers, like Sonnenborn, Solkoff, Most Black Wins, et cetera? |
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May-19-25 | | stone free or die: <Petrosianic> I asked Google AI to explain it to me, and here's the result: <When Carlsen calls Gukesh a "worthy champion," he means that Gukesh earned the title through his performance and the way he won the Candidates Tournament. Carlsen acknowledges Gukesh's strong results in classical chess, particularly his victory in the Candidates, which is a prestigious competition. He also recognizes Gukesh's overall chess skills and achievements. > I think it's just a rehash of Carlsen's commentary just prior to the affirmation. . |
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May-20-25 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <I asked Google AI to explain it to me,> Good thinking, I've been playing with it a lot lately too, sometimes with good results, sometimes not. This sounds like he means it just as a vague term of approval. He's saying something good about Gukesh, but not implying that some champions who don't get the same praise are unworthy, even though that's literally what he's implying. (But Carlsen isn't a native English speaker, so some allowances must be made). |
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May-21-25 | | stone free or die: <Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <I asked Google AI to explain it to me,> Good thinking, ...>
Or, in my case, no thinking, really.
In general I've been disappointed with my interactions with <AI>. I would prefer to distill the info from the web myself from the various sources, allowing me to filter and weigh accordingly. The <AI> is kind of a language scrambler/distiller without any true comprehension. And sometimes it can be hilariously incorrect. (They do seem to have fixed the "How many rocks should I eat per day?" and "How can I get the cheese to stick to the pizza" flubs). |
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May-21-25 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <In general I've been disappointed with my interactions with <AI>. I would prefer to distill the info from the web myself from the various sources, allowing me to filter and weigh accordingly.> Yeah, with difficult questions that's a good idea. But I'm finding it sometimes useful, for questions with a clear answer. I'm even enjoying some of the results I'm getting with controversial questions. I asked it the other day if the press knew that FDR wouldn't survive his 4th term. the AI began and ended with a denial (Of course they couldn't know with <certainty>...). But in the middle it listed lots of reasons why yeah, they probably had a really good idea. So Google AI can be weaselly too. |
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