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| Aug-11-15 | | zanzibar: If Cockburn's book contained sentences like this:
<‘Lasker is interesting not so much on the pathobiographical level as on the sociocultural one.’ (Page 55)> as Winter cites, then it should indeed be subject to savaging. <The Pathobiographical Study has been designed to deal with specific situations that require a rapid but deep therapeutic intervention, a situation which doesn't commonly fit in the traditional frame of brief psychotherapy or in the frame of classical psychoanalysis.> http://www.weizsaecker.com/estudio....
And I thought savaging and pathobiographical antics were entirely confined to the <Biographer's Bistro> here on <CG>. |
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| Aug-11-15 | | zanzibar: Apparently, we got the Oxford Concise edited version: <The lonely house by the graveyard is uninhabited. No soul will live there. The spider pitches her web in the solitude. The nocturnal rat peers from his hole. A curse is on it. It is haunted. Murderer's ground. Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down. In his tomb in the graveyard Reuben Fine waits sleeping. wherein is pieced together that which I hope may never be pieced together again. I have looked upon all that the universe has to hold of horror, and even the skies of spring and the flowers of summer must ever afterward be poison to me The ruined city lies desolate.
The entrance to every house is barred shut.
People in the streets call for wine.
All joy passes away,
and the earth's happiness is banished.
The city is left in ruins.
Its gate is battered to pieces. >
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<The lonely house by the graveyard is uninhabited. No soul will live there. The spider pitches her web in the solitude. The nocturnal rat peers from his hole. A curse is on it. It is haunted. Murderer's ground. Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down. In his tomb in the graveyard Reuben Fine waits sleeping. wherein is pieced together that which I hope may never be pieced together again. I have looked upon all that the universe has to hold of horror, and even the skies of spring and the flowers of summer must ever afterward be poison to me The ruined city lies desolate.
The entrance to every house is barred shut.
People in the streets call for wine.
All joy passes away,
and the earth's happiness is banished.
The city is left in ruins.
Its gate is battered to pieces.
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<Poor Reuben. Even his quotes are mocked mercilessly. Repeated ad nauseam like students quoting <The Eye of Argon> or dimwits shouting at the screen during <Plan 9 From Outer Space>! Who now knows what are these "dive-bombers" about which he wrote. They have been obsolete, like Fine's ideas, for at least 50 years. "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and it has become the habitation of devils, and a jail for every unclean spirit, and a store of every unclean and detestable animal." > * * * * *
< In his desolate and neglected tomb Reuben Fine waits sleeping.
The lonely house by the graveyard is uninhabited. No soul will live there. The spider pitches her web in the solitude. The nocturnal rat peers from his hole. A curse is on it. It is haunted. The books, books on openings, books on endings, huge books, all turn to dust on their shelves. No eyes now behold them. Their ideas are mocked. His games lie strewn in the dust and filth, trampled on by laughing passers-by. "Babylon has fallen! Babylon has fallen!
All her idols lay scattered on the floor."
The ruined city lies desolate.
The entrance to every house is barred shut.
People in the streets call for wine.
All joy passes away,
and the earth's happiness is banished.
The city is left in ruins.
Its gate is battered to pieces!
Poor, poor Reuben! >
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!t... alt.boomerang?! |
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| Aug-11-15 | | zanzibar: From the first ref:
<The Pathobiographical Study is justified mainly whenever a psychoanalytical treatment performed according to the rules of the art "should abandon the direction of the synthesis to the unconscious" to achieve such goals.> And it even found its way to the Lancet:
<Who killed Cockrobin? The limitations of pathobiography> http://
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS01-
40-6736(08)61021-1/fulltext
Somehow tying it all up. |
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| Aug-11-15 | | zanzibar: <Cockburn went on to write Idle Passion: Chess and the Dance of Death (1975) as a class history of chess, and a lot of "bogus Freudian stuff", as he would later put it, in a critical evaluation of the claims made for chess.[8]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexa... http://www.c-span.org/video/?196500... |
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Aug-11-15
 | | offramp: <Zanzibar> well spotted. I was using a newsgroup as a sandbox because NGs only allow plaintext, like cg.com. I think the effect of the whole, long quote is quite good. It's quite poetic. It's not me. Some bits are me but most are some favourite bits of the Bible sellotaped©® together. That's pretty obvious, surely? |
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Aug-11-15
| | offramp: <Zanzibar> I changed something: <His games lie strewn in the dust and rubbish, trampled on by laughing conquerors...> Because I was SO annoyed that I had used the rubbishy word Passersby in the first version. The whole effect was ruined by one word. |
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| Aug-11-15 | | zanzibar: <offramp> you are a true artist, crafting each phrase to perfection (or as need perfection as mortals are allowed). |
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Aug-11-15
| | offramp: <zanzibar> Thank you!! |
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Aug-11-15
 | | Retireborn: <z> The English are very frivolous people on the whole, and I'm afraid we do find awkward names funny. <offramp> I actually have a hardback copy of BCE (a 1972 reprint) in good condition, so his books aren't completely turned to dust yet :) |
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Aug-11-15
| | offramp: <Retireborn: <offramp> I actually have a hardback copy of BCE (a 1972 reprint) in good condition, so his books aren't completely turned to dust yet :)> I understand, but I specifically mentioned the Eloi bookcase from The Time Machine which Rod Taylor smashes up at 7:55am on Thursday,October 12th <802,701 AD>!. I'm pretty sure one of the books (possibly the first) was BCE. I'm only joking :-) ... BCE is a tremendous achievement. It hadn't been done before and was the foundation of many subsequent books. |
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Aug-11-15
| | offramp: <Retireborn: <z> The English are very frivolous people on the whole, and I'm afraid we do find awkward names funny.> Most English people, at least the English people <I> know, pronounce Cockburn identically to Coburn. |
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Aug-11-15
 | | perfidious: It is Coburn to me, same as with the musician Bruce Cockburn, well known Over Here. My recollection is of Larry Evans noting in his column that Cockburn was being interviewed on one show or another here in the States and the interviewer insisted on pronouncing the surname Cock-burn, despite knowing the correct pronunciation. |
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Aug-11-15
| | Retireborn: <offramp> BCE is certainly a monumental work. My copy has a preface in which he thanks Irving Chernev for use of his excellent library, and his (Fine's) wife for typing the manuscript. |
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| Aug-12-15 | | zanzibar: It's a bit hard to know where to begin, or when to quit... Now that I know how to properly pronounce Cockburn, does the same rule apply to the Cockrobin of the Lancet article? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cock...
I guess it doesn't.
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<Retireborn: <z> The English are very frivolous people on the whole, and I'm afraid we do find awkward names funny.> I once had a particularly English friend, in a purely friendly fashion. Well I remember how she characterized the English to me: <The English are a war-like people.> She was not the kind of women with whom I was inclined to lightly disagree on small matters, (or large matters, for that matter). * * * * *
I shall defer comment on BCE for another time, then. |
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| Mar-26-16 | | TheFocus: Rest in peace, Reuben Fine. |
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Mar-29-16
| | offramp: Here is my problem with Reuben Fine. I have played over a few of his games and I have found them, like Staunton's games, to be really boring. So he has not invaded my conciousness to any concrete extent, and all I have is nebulous feelings and half-recollections. I know that he won AVRO in 1938 and I believe that in that tournament he had a remarkable run of success over five consecutive rounds. But what he did before about 1933 I have no idea. I also think that after 1938 he played 1 more game, a blitz against Fischer which is in 61MG. I know that he may or may not have been invited to the 1948 World Championship at the Hague. It is all very vague. |
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Mar-29-16
| | perfidious: <offramp> This game will pique your interest, I think: Fine vs Botvinnik, 1938. Fine was indeed invited to play for the title in '48, but declined due to his doctoral studies. |
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| Mar-29-16 | | Petrosianic: That was the story he gave at the time. He changed it a couple of times after that. In later years he claimed he dropped out because he thought the tournament was fixed. Although if you read his columns in Chess Review at the time, you can see that he supported the format enthusiastically. Dropping out because of necessity is one thing, but had he really dropped out to make some kind of political point, and cost the West a seat in the process (it had been agreed long before that no substitutions would be allowed), he would have been a huge villain. |
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Mar-29-16
 | | chancho: <The style of the Grandmaster Fine is best described as technically very good, but for the rest, relatively neutral. The truth is that he handled all sorts of positions well, without showing definite preference for any. His style was polished, his games streamlined.
After the war Fine virtually withdrew from competitive Chess.> Max Euwe
From his book: The Middlegame book 2. |
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Mar-29-16
| | chancho: <Euwe is a methodical player who is not at his best in wild and woolly positions, and here, too, he did not pick the most resourceful line." -Reuben Fine>
Euwe vs Fine, 1938 (kibitz #2) |
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| Mar-29-16 | | Petrosianic: Fine got lost in several such positions. In addition to that one, the loss to Denker, and the draw with Reshevsky that cost him the 1940 US Championship leap to mind. |
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Mar-29-16
| | perfidious: <chancho> Had forgotten Euwe's assessment; have not seen my copy of that in a good many years. Good overview by Euwe, though: the impression I had was that Fine was a superb technician, but I did not glean any clearcut preferences, unlike about any other top player of the time. |
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| Mar-29-16 | | RookFile: At his best, Fine was terrific in the opening. Reshevsky was not, but there was something in Reshevsky's nature that made him more of a fighter than Fine. There were definitely some Fine vs. Reshevsky struggles where Fine had Reshevsky on the ropes, but Reshevsky would escape. |
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| Mar-29-16 | | luftforlife: On May 29, 2005, Canadian tournament player Neil Sullivan (described by Keith Spraggett in 2012 as "considered a respected and authoritative voice in the Montreal chess community") posted online at <chessbanter> the PGN header and moves for Reuben Fine's March 9, 1937 second-round victory over Ilya Kan at the Moscow International. Fine won this tournament, and while his other tournament victories are hosted here, this win has not yet been uploaded. Here's a tournament crosstable from Rusbase:
http://al20102007.narod.ru/it/1937/...
I've gleaned from the <chessbanter> discussion thread that Sullivan may have derived the score from Aidan Woodger's Reuben Fine: A Comprehensive Record of an American Chess Career, 1929-1951 (Jefferson, N.C.: McFarland & Co. 2004). I do not have this volume, but perhaps another member does, and might be so kind as to verify the score. Here is the score as Sullivan posted it:
[Event "Moscow"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1937.03.09"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Kan, I."]
[Black "Fine, R."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D02"]
[PlyCount "68"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4. d4 Bf5 5. O-O e6 6. c3 Nf6 7. Nbd2 h6 8. a3 a5 9. Qb3 Qc7 10. dxc5 Bxc5 11. Qb5 Ba7 12. c4 Rd8 13. c5 e5 14. b4 Bd7 15. bxa5 e4 16. Ne1 Nxa5 17. Qb1 Bxc5 18. Nb3 Nxb3 19. Qxb3 Bc6 20. Nc2 O-O 21. Bb2 d4 22. Nb4 Bb5 23. Rfe1 Qb6 24. Bf1 d3 25. e3 Rfe8 26. Rab1 Qe6 27. Qxe6 Rxe6 28. Bxf6 Rxf6 29. Nd5 Rxd5 30. Rxb5 Bxe3 31. Rxd5 Bxf2+ 32. Kg2 Bxe1 33. Rd4 Rf2+ 34. Kg1 d2 0-1. Here is the link to the <chessbanter> thread: http://www.chessbanter.com/rec-game... NICBase has this game from Schaakwereld 1937 with the identical score (though the figurine minimal algebraic notation reproduced there is not disambiguated). I enjoyed playing through this game, and I hope others do, too. Best to all. |
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| Mar-29-16 | | luftforlife: GM Dr. Reuben Fine briefly analyzes his pawn-capture tactics and eventual victory in Kan-Fine Moscow 1937 in his The Middle Game in Chess (New York: David McKay Co. 1952, Tartan softcover reprint, September 1972), at 120. |
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