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|Jan-18-17|| ||geniokov: Business wise,Wesley So being a winner of Grand Prix 2016,winner of London Chess Classic as well as voted for " Chessplayer of the Year 2016" will be a good opportunity for all Chess engines to boom at the market!|
|Jan-18-17|| ||keypusher: <geniokov>
< And this can only done by a chessplayer who's thinking is "Half Human and Half Engine" and fear no one except God!>
If you're thinking of the chessplayer I think you're thinking of, right now he gives the impression of fearing both God and Magnus Carlsen.
But hey, that can change in a hurry.
|Jan-18-17|| ||geniokov: Let us all accept that all chessplayers are using chess engine! But there's only one chessplayer who grew right from the start! Compare to the book of Genesis from the Bible. And from there,the star is born!|
|Jan-18-17|| ||Absentee: <keypusher: If you're thinking of the chessplayer I think you're thinking of, right now he gives the impression of fearing both God and Magnus Carlsen.|
But hey, that can change in a hurry.>
He might stop believing in God.
|Jan-18-17|| ||SimplicityRichard: <The others cannot beat him if he does nothing rash....... Rather than blame themselves for their lack of creativity, they're blaming Wes because he's not making mistakes.>|
My sentiments exactly!
It wasn't long ago when I expressed the view that Wesley was losing because of his desire to take the game to the opponent; and that if Wes played it safe like his fellow safe-oriented elite players, they wouldn't beat him. I have been "vindicated". However, I'm neither seeking honours nor a pat on the back.
My point is, I believe Carlsen is getting a little jealous of the rising star and new kid on the block - Wesley. Wesley's chess strength and reputation are on the rise. And I believe Carlsen views Wesley as an even more dangerous challenger than Karjakin was. It is thus my view that Carlsen's comments are a blend of jealousy along with provocation. Perhaps Carlsen is unconsciously setting up the stage for a chess rivalry that will extend for years to come.
Carlsen accuses Wes of playing reservedly when facing elite players. But my question to Carlsen were I to interview him would be: "Is that so Maestro? That Wes is playing conservatively when facing top players? Why then Maestro didn't you play the Sicilian Defence or any other opening but e5 against e4 when facing Anand or Karjakin in the world championships? You were quite happy to play the Sicilian in Qatar 2015 and the Chess Olympiad 2016?
Nevertheless, I still believe Carlsen would come out on top in a match between himself and Wes. But it would be a very close match. #
|Jan-18-17|| ||beatgiant: <chessalem>
<Past world chess champions were mostly communists and atheists.>
I doubt that's actually true, but even if it were, what's your point? "Ye shall know them by their fruits."
|Jan-18-17|| ||starry2013: In the football match Carlsen's team beat Van Wely's 6-2.|
"Carlsen picked his assistant Peter Heine Nielsen, Ian Nepomniachtchi and his assistant Alexander Motylev, Vladimir Dobrov and Lu Shanglei. Grandmasters Benjamin Bok, Jorden van Forreest, Aryan Tari and two of Loek’s chess friends, Ard van Beek and Rob Duijn were on team Van Wely. Both teams were supplemented by players from Telstar"
Carlsen scored 2, Bok 2 and Lu Shanglei one.
|Jan-18-17|| ||Clemens Scheitz: <Absentee: He might stop believing in God >.
...then, besides being excellent at the correct analysis of the game of chess, he will excel in the correct analysis of the nature of reality. For the time being, he is just a gifted but naive kid. Let's continue to admire his amazing chess thinking and overlook his poor and misguided philosophical thinking. Go Wesley.|
|Jan-18-17|| ||1971: I hope this is the last top invite for Giri for a while. His games aren't even interesting and he's taking someone else's spot. Who knows what Eljanov for instance, could have done with all those opportunities.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||wordfunph: Carlsen wins because he pushes for a win even in dry position. W.so wins because his opponents push for win, often recklessly. Carlsen however does not push for a win recklessly. Besides So obviously has too much respect (bordering on fear) for Carlsen.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||Sokrates: <SimplicityRichard> Sorry, but all your notions on Carlsen's assessment on So seem a bit speculative and biased to say the least. IMO Carlsen only states the fact that So plays more safe than he used to. |
Carlsen has no reason whatsoever to be jealous of So. True, So has done well of late, but his results are by no parametre comparable with those of the world champion.
What I don't get is why you and some others are so eager to make Wesley So a poor, innocent victim of petty colleagues's envy and jealousy.
WS is a fine chess-player - no-one has ever said anything else -, but so are Karjakin, Caruana, Nakamura, Kramnik, and so forth. Why does he have to be staged as a victimized genius? Like the others he evolves in maturity and developes his style. He manages quite well without the aid from overly praising fans. His chess speaks for itself.
|Jan-19-17|| ||Atking: Well put <Sokrates>. I'm fine with the personnality of So as well as his chess but most of his fan has to get a life. I remember Carlsen has put a lo of praise about So's chess style as well So shows great respect toward Carlsen's. Surely a better way to get stronger (At least a better way than to diminish everybody around.) .|
|Jan-19-17|| ||alexmagnus: Overly praising fans is the main reason why I (and I am surely not the one) am somewhat reluctant when it comes to watching So's games. |
It's not like MC never got too much praise. He has. But the thing with MC is that whenever the praise over him exceeded his results, the result immediately caught up. Carlsen's development from young and promising player to the dominant player of his era was too fast for overpraising to become an issue. Not so with other players - they are huge talents, but the fans get too big expectations, hoping for them to rise just as fast. And when the rise slows down they start playing the "victim of some conspiracy" card. It was so with Nakamura and, to lesser extent, Caruana, and it is so with So. But not everyone is destined to dominate like MC. Some players are great without dominating. Think of Karpov if Kasparov were born 10 years earlier (and had the same development curve).
|Jan-19-17|| ||LlanelliCC: And these conversations go on and on and on....|
Two things are clear to me. (1) MC is the best player in the world because he is WC and he wins most tournaments he plays. (2) At some time MC will get knocked off his perch and, at the moment, the winner will probably come from the USA because there is more money floating around in that country. All sports are following the money nowadays.
Previously chess followed money because the USSR as a state gave freebies to the good chess players like sending youngsters to chess schools. Who will win now? - the state in China or free enterprise in the USA? The chess players are irrelevant.
|Jan-19-17|| ||gopi11: I know that English is not Magnus' first language, but the way he construct his thoughts might rub some people the wrong way. They might interpret it as overly conceited and is full of himself, just like his latest blog where he said that Wesley didn't do $h1t with White, but when the shoe is on the other foot, he just brushes it off by saying he couldn't make progress despite having a "nice" position (his words, not mine) and just repeated moves.|
I know he didn't meant it in a condescending way, but just like Baccarat, gamblers are seeing the same patterns and previous results, but it's so rare to see 7-10 people betting the same side on the next hand.
We all read things differently...
|Jan-19-17|| ||SimplicityRichard: Very well said <gopi11: We all read things differently...> I agree.|
<Sokrates: ..all your notions on Carlsen's assessment on So seem a bit speculative and biased to say the least.>
I can accept "speculative" since I added in my statement that it is my "view", meaning it is not a fact. However, if you read my statement very well, you would have noticed that I still believe Magnus to be the best player in the world. So, I'm wondering "Where is my bias?"
I am not a Wesley fan-boy. I try to reason things out as objectively as possible, though I must admit that total objectivity in all matters is well nigh impossible as we all read things or indeed events, differently, as astutely pointed out by <gopi11>.
I am not, and don't want to appear impolite or scathing in any way but I could easily accuse you of being biased towards Carlsen as you are both Scandinavians or from the same sub-continent. But I am not one "to hit below the belt" or take that particular line of argument.
I respect your comments but please understand that I am not biased. I just expressed what I observed. And it could be right or wrong and I admit it is speculative.#
|Jan-19-17|| ||ketchuplover: No live game today?|
|Jan-19-17|| ||chancho: Live Broadcast Page|
|Jan-19-17|| ||chessgames.com: The Tata Steel Chess Tournament will visit the Feyenoord Stadium today, and the game will start 30 minutes later than the previous rounds. (More info: http://www.tatasteelchess.com/visit...)|
Today's feature game will be Eljanov vs Aronian, 2017.
|Jan-19-17|| ||Sally Simpson: As I said earlier, It is wrong to try and twist Carlsen's words out shape, even more so given the fact English is not his native tongue.|
People here have often misread a post and it's true meaning or failed to recognise a joke between players.
but enough of that...Thinking caps on...this list needs updated.
In the American Chess Review, March 1937 (there appeared this list of players and their contribution to chess.
Morphy made it an art.
Steinitz made it a science.
Lasker made it a business.
Reti made it a philosophy.
Capablanca made it a Technique.
Alekhine made it a Game.
Marshall made it a Game of Chance.
it does appear that list was drawn up as a Marshall joke but 80 years later we now continue (feel free to correct or add.)
Philidor a game of pawns.
Botvinnik a political tool.
Tal a state of confusion.
Petrosian a game of prophylaxis
Bronstein a Carnival of thought.
(Just realised I've opened the door on some Giri draw jokes...)
|Jan-19-17|| ||perfidious: <chancho: The candidates tournament is not a given for Wesley (So)....>|
Or anyone else--last time round, we may recall what happened when Caruana, generally considered the favourite, had Black in his last round game facing an opponent with draw odds.
<....For all we know, we might get Anand Carlsen 3.>
The odds are agin it, but hard to imagine a greater credit to the game coming up winner again.
|Jan-19-17|| ||gopi11: <Sally Simpson> I got a corny one:|
Giri - Game Of Drawns
|Jan-19-17|| ||Clemens Scheitz: Nice suggestion Sally, let's see,
Navara...a game of Czech mate
Gashimov...a game of grief
Ivanchuck...a game of finding your own mind.
Rapport and Jobava ... transformed it into a game of who can throw the opening book further.
|Jan-19-17|| ||Sally Simpson: Ivanchuck could be 'Draughts is a better game."|
Rybka chess is a game of binary.
The C.G. Kibitzers - Chess is something to argue about.
|Jan-19-17|| ||Absentee: <Clemens Scheitz:
Ivanchuck...a game of finding your own mind.>
...through your nose.
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