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|Nov-14-07|| ||nescio: <Phony Benoni: There are dozens of duplicate games in the database>|
Indeed, but I haven't encountered a genuine duplicate yet. There is always a difference, often in the move order.
I think you are right that the maintenance of the database should have more priority. A few months ago I discovered that the game Euwe vs O Bernstein, 1946 isn't Euwe-Bernstein at all, but Euwe-Vidmar, and in my opinion such bad mistakes should be corrected soon after they were reported.
It's the main reason why I won't be a premium member: I wouldn't mind paying for the use of the database if it was maintained properly, but I do mind throwing money away for uninteresting side-features and exercises in futility.
|Nov-14-07|| ||Phony Benoni: <nescio: Indeed, but I haven't encountered a genuine duplicate yet. There is always a difference, often in the move order.>|
Well, for starters try Tartakower vs Vidmar, 1907 and Tartakower vs Vidmar, 1907.
<I think you are right that the maintenance of the database should have more priority.> This drives me especially batty because my profession involves maintenance of the information in a library catalog where I can make direct and immediate changes. While corrections do get made here, it takes awhile.
But we're in the minority of users here, and I think the administrators do the right thing by putting more effort into features that the majority wants. Perhaps someday I'll win the lottery, move to Cleveland, and start my own site where things will get done right. Maybe pigs will fly.
|Nov-14-07|| ||nescio: <Phony Benoni: Well, for starters try Tartakower vs Vidmar, 1907 and Tartakower vs Vidmar, 1907.>|
You have really found one ;-) I suspected that chessgames.com's software recognized duplicates and threw them out, but I suppose it was fooled in this case by the difference in the PGN (the commentary).
<But we're in the minority of users here, and I think the administrators do the right thing by putting more effort into features that the majority wants>
Oh, sure. I regret the many errors, but I do like the way this database is organised and the fact that we can comment on the games. I just ignore the nonsense.
|Nov-13-08|| ||brankat: R.I.P. Master Leonhardt.|
|Jun-09-09|| ||myschkin: . . .
As an expert analyst of the openings, he wrote a monograph on the Ruy Lopez (Zur Spanische Partie - 1913). Opening variations have been attributed to him in the Lopez, Sicilian Defence, Ponziani Opening, Evans Gambit, and the Scandinavian Defense.
Schachmeister Paul S. Leonhardt
(German, Berliner Zeitung, 2008)
|Sep-06-09|| ||Chessical: A rough translation of the Berliner Zeitung piece.
The city of Poznan was, with an eight-year hiatus in the Napoleonic period, in Prussia from 1793 to 1919. It was the birthplace of Paul Saladin Leonhardt (1877 to 1934).
After graduating, this gifted student enrolled in the University of Leipzig. He studied modern languages, but the charm of the sixty-four squares exerted a greater attraction on him than his studies. Leonhardt soon rose to become the champion of the Leipzig Chess Club "Augustea"; and he then devoted himself entirely to chess as a professional player and also a journalist. In 1903 he won the masters tournament in Hilversum.
Before the war he was one of the best German chess players. His victory in the in 1907 Copenhagen international tournament ahead of Maróczy and Schlechter underlines this. During the Weimar Republic, Leonhardt carved out a career as a poet and political journalist.
Chess, however, served him throughout his life as a livelihood. His chess columns in the "Hamburger Nachrichten" and the "Konigsberg Allgemeine Zeitung" were well regarded for their very deep analysis. As a chess teacher, he produced radio programmes for Konigsberg radio which enjoyed large audiences.
The Viennese chess champion Marco aptly described Leonhardt as "a combination of giants". First rank success in his chess career was, however, denied to him because of his chronic time pressure problems.
|Nov-13-10|| ||stoy: According to this database the introductory biography is incorrect. Nimzovich had a lifetime record against Leonhardt of 6+, 1-, & 1=. Just checking.|
|Nov-13-10|| ||Phony Benoni: <stoy> This database is not complete. We have all the games between Leonhardt and Nimzowitch from tournament play, but none from the match referred to in the introduction.|
Odd how Nimzowitsch got clobbered by Leonhardt in the match, but dominated their tournament games both before and afterwards.
|Nov-13-10|| ||nescio: <Phony Benoni: <stoy> This database is not complete. We have all the games between Leonhardt and Nimzowitch from tournament play, but none from the match referred to in the introduction.>|
Did one of you already submit those games?
|Nov-13-10|| ||Phony Benoni: <nescio> Not me. Looked around a bit, but couldn't find them.|
|Nov-13-10|| ||nescio: <Phony Benoni> I could . They are in the MyChess database. The match was played in Hamburg, but unfortunately only one of the five games has a round number attached to it. I'll submit them today. Here is the most interesting:|
[Site "Hamburg m"]
[White "Nimzowitsch, Aaron"]
[Black "Leonhardt, Paul"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. d3 Re8 8.
Ne2 Bf8 9. Be3 h6 10. h3 g6 11. Kh2 Kh7 12. g4 Ng8 13. Ng3 c5 14. Rg1 f6 15.
Nd2 Bd6 16. a4 Be6 17. b3 b6 18. Nc4 Bxc4 19. bxc4 a5 20. Rg2 Qd7 21. Qd2 Re7
22. f4 exf4 23. Bxf4 Be5 24. Bxe5 fxe5 25. Rf2 Rf7 26. Rxf7+ Qxf7 27. Rf1 Qe7
28. Qc3 Nf6 29. Kg2 Rf8 30. Qb2 Nd7 31. Qb5 Rxf1 32. Nxf1 Qd6 33. Nd2 c6 34.
Qb1 Qd4 35. Kf3 Kg7 36. Ke2 Qc3 37. Qc1 Nf8 38. g5 hxg5 39. Nb1 Qa1 40. c3 Qa2+
41. Nd2 Ne6 42. Qd1 Qb2 43. Qb1 Nf4+ 44. Kd1 Qxb1+ 45. Nxb1 Nxd3 46. Ke2 Nb2
47. Nd2 Nxa4 48. Kd3 b5 49. Kc2 Nb6 50. cxb5 cxb5 51. Nb3 Nd7 52. Nxa5 Kh6 0-1
|Nov-13-10|| ||Phony Benoni: <nescio> Thank you! A nice birthday present for Mr. Leonhardt.|
|Nov-13-10|| ||nescio: <Phony Benoni: Odd how Nimzowitsch got clobbered by Leonhardt in the match, but dominated their tournament games both before and afterwards.>|
Niemzowitsch was never one to deviate from his principles and had many a disappointment in his results because of it. You see the same trend in the games of Tarrasch and Boleslavsky. In the end they were often proven right, but it cost them lots of points. However, such players have beeen very important for the development of chess strategy.
|Nov-15-10|| ||TheFocus: For those that can't wait for the games to be submitted, I offer them to you.|
Leonhardt – Nimzowitsch
match game 1
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Nd7 4.Bc4 c6 5.Ng5 Nh6 6.a4 Qf6 7.c3 Be7 8.O-O Nb6 9.Ba2 Qg6 10.a5 Bxg5 11.Bxg5 Qxg5 12.axb6 Bg4?! 13.f3 Be6 14.Bxe6 fxe6 15.bxa7 O-O 16.Qd2 Qf6 17.dxe5 Qxe5 18.Qd4 Nf7 19.Nd2 d5 20.Qb6 Nd6 21.Ra4 Qg5 22.Rd1 h6 23.c4 dxe4 24.Nxe4 Nxe4 25.fxe4 Rf7 26.Ra3 Kh7 27.h3 Qh5 28.Rd8 Rxd8 29.Qxd8 Qc5+ 30.Kh2 Rf1 31.Qd2 Qg1+ 32.Kg3 Qc5! draw.
Nimzowitsch – Leonhardt
Four Knights Game
match game 2
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.d3 Re8 8.Ne2 Bf8 9.Be3 g6 10.h3 h6 11.Kh2 Kh7 12.g4 Ng8 13.Ng3 c5 14.g5 f5 15.gxf6 Qxf6 16.Ng1 Bd6 17.Qf3 Qe7 18.Qg2 Rf8 19.N1e2 Qh4 20.Rg1 Rf3 21.Nf5 Rxh3+ 22.Qxh3 Qxh3+ 23.Kxh3 gxf5 24.exf5 Bxf5+ 25.Kg2 Nf6 26.Ng3 Rg8 27.Kf1 Bg4 28.Ne4 Nxe4 29.dxe4 h5 30.Re1 b5 31.f3 Rf8 32.Bf2 Rxf3 33.Re3 a5 34.c4 b4 35.Rxg4 Rxe3 36.Bxe3 hxg4 37.Kg2 Kg6 38.Kg3 Kh5 39.Bg1 a4 40.b3 axb3 41.axb3 Be7 42.Be3 Bh4+ 43.Kg2 Be7 44.Kg3 Bh4+ 45.Kg2 Be1 46.Bxc5 Kg5 47.Be3+ Kh4 48.Ba7 c6 49.Be3 g3 50.Bh6 Kg4 51.Bc1 Bf2 52.Bd2 Bc5 53. Bc1 Bf8 54. Be3 Bd6 55.Bc1 Bc7 56.Bd2 Ba5 57.c5 Bc7 58.Bxb4 Kf4 59.Be1 Kxe4 60.b4 Kd3 61.Bxg3 Kc4 62.Be1 e4 63.Kh3 Bf4 64.Kh4 Bc1 65.b5 cxb5 67.c7 Bxc7 70.Bxc7 b4 71.Bd8 Ke5 72.Bg5 b3 73.Bc1 Kd4 74.Kg3 e3 75.Kg2 Kd3 76.Kf1 Kc2 77.Ba3 Kd1 0-1.
Leonhardt – Nimzowitsch
match game 3
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Nd7 4.Bc4 c6 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.O-O Qf6 7.Bg5 Qd6 8.Qe2 Ngf6 9.Rd1 Qc7 10.Nbd2 h6 11.Bh4 g5 12.Bg3 Bg7 13.Bb3 O-O 14.Nc4 Nh5 15.Nd6 Nxg3 16.hxg3 Nc5 17.Qe3 b6 18.Rd2 Nb7 19.Rad1 Nxd6 20.Rxd6 Bg4 21.Qd3 Rae8 22.Rd2 Re7 23.Nh2 Bc8 24.Nf1 b5 25.Ne3 Kh8 26.g4 a6 27.a4 Rfe8 28.Nf5 Bxf5 29.gxf5 f6 30.Qh3 Rf8 31.Qh5 c5 32.Be6 Qb7 33.Rd7 Qxe4 34.Rxe7 Qe1+ 35.Kh2 Qxd2 36.Rxg7 Qf4+ 37.Kh3 1-0.
Nimzowitsch – Leonhardt, P.
Four Knights Game
match game 4
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bb4 5.O-O O-O 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.d3 Re8 8.Ne2 Bf8 9.Be3 h6 10.h3 g6 11.Kh2 Kh7 12.g4 Ng8 13.Ng3 c5 14.Rg1 f6 15.Nd2 Bd6 16.a4 Be6 17.b3 b6 18.Nc4 Bxc4 19.bxc4 a5 20.Rg2 Qd7 21.Qd2 Re7 22.f4 exf4 23.Bxf4 Be5 24.Bxe5 fxe5 25.Rf2 Rf7 26.Rxf7+ Qxf7 27.Rf1 Qe7 28.Qc3 Nf6 29.Kg2 Rf8 30.Qb2 Nd7 31.Qb5 Rxf1 32.Nxf1 Qd6 33.Nd2 c6 34.Qb1 Qd4 35.Kf3 Kg7 36.Ke2 Qc3 37.Qc1 Nf8 38.g5 hxg5 39.Nb1 Qa1 40.c3 Qa2+ 41.Nd2 Ne6 42.Qd1 Qb2 43.Qb1 Nf4+ 44.Kd1 Qxb1+ 45.Nxb1 Nxd3 46.Ke2 Nb2 47.Nd2 Nxa4 48.Kd3 b5 49.Kc2 Nb6 50.cxb5 cxb5 51.Nb3 Nd7 52.Nxa5 Kh6 0-1.
Leonhardt – Nimzowitsch
match game 5
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Be7 4.d4 d6 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.Qxd8+ Bxd8 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.Be3 Bg4 9.O-O-O Bxf3 10.gxf3 Nh5 11.Rhg1 h6 12.Nd5 Nb8 13.f4 c6 14.fxe5 cxd6 15.Bb5+ Kf8 16.exd5 Bb6 17.c4 Bxe3+ 18.fxe3 a6 19.Ba4 Ke7 20.Rdf1 Rc8 21.Kb1 Rxc4 22.Bb3 b5 23.Bxc4 bxc4 24.Rf5 g5 25.Rgf1 f6 26.exf6+ Kf7 27.e4 Nf4 28.R1xf4 gxf4 29.e5 Nd7 30.e6+ Kg6 31.f7 Kxf5 32.e7 Nf6 33.f8(Q) Re8 34.d6 f3 35.Qxh6 f2 36.Qh3+ Ng4 37.d7 Rxe7 38.d8(Q) Re1+ 39.Kc2 Re2+ 40.Kd1 1-0.
|Feb-20-11|| ||markwell: What is it with the revisionist history on this site? The man was born in Posen, Germany and died in Koenigsberg, Germany. He was about as Polish as a Volkswagen. Gimme a break!|
|Jul-14-11|| ||Rook e2: A special name! Saladin defeated the crusaders. And Richard I of England (Richard the lionheart) led the 3rd crusade.
|Nov-13-11|| ||brankat: <What is it with the revisionist history on this site? The man was born in Posen, Germany and died in Koenigsberg, Germany>|
It is not a "revisionist history". The biography does state the facts. While Her Leonhardt was born in Posen, Germany, and died in Koenigsberg, Germany, the geopolitical map of Europe has changed since then.
The additional info (Poznan and Kaliningrad) is for those who may try to look up Posen and/or Koenigsberg on the map of Germany. They would not find them.
Mr.Leonhardt certainly had Nimzo's number in their 1911. match. but it should be noted that the overall score between the two was in Nimzowitsch's favour:
+6 -5 =2.
R.I.P. master Leonhardt.
|Nov-22-12|| ||Abdel Irada: Leonhardt must have lived in perpetual internal conflict, thanks to his parents.|
Richard the Lionheart (properly, King Richard I of England: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richar...) and Saladin (formally Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub or "Righteousness of the Faith Joseph Son of Jacob": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin) were leaders of the respective Christian and Muslim forces in the Third Crusade.
Interestingly, however, the two men learned to respect one another as examples of honor and chivalry, and ended as the best of friendly enemies. So perhaps Leonhardt, too, learned to reconcile his inner selves.
|Nov-22-12|| ||Abdel Irada: Correction to preceding post: Ayyub is not Jacob (which is Yakub) but Job. My apologies for the careless mistake.|
|Nov-13-13|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. <POTD>: Paul Saladin Leonhardt.|
|May-31-14|| ||ljfyffe: Nimzo was born in 1886. Leonhardt defeated John de Soyres at Hilversum 1903. As white, Paul played the Vienna.|
|Aug-23-16|| ||offramp: [A KITCHEN IN POLAND]
Mr LEONHARDT Sr: [To his wife] Word up bee-yarch!! Have you thought of a name for the new child.
Mrs LEONHARDT: Yes. Paul.
Mr LEONHARDT Sr: What about a middle name? How about naming him after the most famous kurd in history?
Mrs LEONHARDT: Saladin? Yeah, whatever.
|Aug-23-16|| ||Retireborn: <offramp> I expect you know that Kaiser Bill paid to renovate Saladin's tomb in Damascus from 1898 onwards, a gift to his Ottoman allies, no doubt. Even so one wonders how many parents in the German Empire would have wanted to name their children Saladin!|
|Aug-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: < How about naming him after the most famous kurd in history?>|
Lemon would be a most unfortunate name for a chessplayer.
|Aug-23-16|| ||offramp: <Retireborn: <offramp> I expect you know that Kaiser Bill paid to renovate Saladin's tomb in Damascus from 1898 onwards, a gift to his Ottoman allies, no doubt. Even so one wonders how many parents in the German Empire would have wanted to name their children Saladin!>|
I did NOT know that. I suppose that explains the mystery of a Polish guy with the forename Saladin.
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