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| May-26-09 |
| strategy11: yifan is now playing at the national championships; live coverage [http://live.chinaqiyuan.com/chess.h... ]. also several players at still in subic [http://chess-results.com/tnr22326.a... ] including YU YANGYI www.playchess.com is relaying both tournaments, so thats good as i can run my engine automatically for all the possible games |
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| May-27-09 |
| flhoosier: wonder why there isn't any mention of yifan's father in the news or why he doesn't travel with her like her mother does? |
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| May-27-09 |
| s4life: <flhoosier: wonder why there isn't any mention of yifan's father in the news or why he doesn't travel with her like her mother does?> One can say the same thing about Carlsen's mother right? why didn't you? AFAIK, he is a judge and probably doesn't have the time to do the chess touring thing |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| flhoosier: did i read this right, yifan lost her recent game because she was 5 seconds late to the board???
didn't know they were playing under rigid rules. |
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Jun-03-09
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| MaxxLange: someone said that FIDE rules call for a forfeit if you are at all late.....that seems awfully harsh to me |
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| Jun-03-09 |
| flhoosier: thank goodness the uscf hasn't picked up that rule. |
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Jun-03-09
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| amadeus: As stupid as stupid goes |
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| Jun-07-09 |
| Imposter: Was her tournament shattered because of the forfeit or is she simply outclassed by male GMs? |
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| Jun-08-09 |
| Zhijun: Imposter,I recommended you to read my former comment: Jun-07-09 Zhijun: smaragdus:<but this is not the case with Hou Yifan, who is extremely overestimated and I think it was a bad idea that she participated in the men's tournament, she lacks the class and quality to play with men.>
I can't agree with you.
Firstly, Hou Yifan is not extremely overestimated,only DingLiren and YuYangyi etc.are underrestimated.Maybe You don¡¯t know that,Hou had already won the last three Chinese women champs in a row with Serious and great Advantage,and She is the top ten rating of China now,as rules she have the qualification to participate CC2009.Hou absolutely is the nightmare of other girl players,so she cannot participate the women events at least in China anymore, which will be unfair to the other girls or ladies. Secondly,objectively,one event cannot lead to a final conclusion.Hou is just not in a form at this event ,That¡¯s all.Let us look back what happened in the last three months: April:Ding and Yu both were disqualified the zonal,Both got 5/11,both lost 4 Games,Ding lost toWangHao,LiChao,GaoRui,WenYang;Yu Lost to LiChao,ZhouJianchao,ZhouWeiqi,XuJun.So,according-
- to your opinion,Ding and Yu are both extremely overestimated and lack the class and quality to play . May: DingLiren, YuYangyi and Hou Yifan all participated 8th Asian Chapm,Yu and Hou both were qualified for WCC2009,both got 7.5/11,Yu got 3rd£¬Hou got 7th, according to your opinion,Hou and Yu are both extremely underestimated and have the class and quality to play;and Ding only got 6/11,disqualified again. End of May: DingLiren and Hou Yifan participated CC2009,as you know,Ding won champ,got8.5/11,Hou got 3.5/11( at most 4.5/11,evan not forfeited),as you said, DingLiren were extremely underestimated and Hou was extremely overestimated and lack the class and quality to play.So,who are underestimated or overestimated on earth??Judged by which event or which standard?? Finally,especially for the youngsters,such as Ding is 17,Yu and Hou is only 15,they are inconsistent and instable,so we must be patient to watch them longer,if they work hard and have excellent coaches,they will have good future,or will be a mere flash in the pan. |
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| Jun-08-09 |
| Zhijun: mindanalyzer: Is she a girl for sure? I know that it is customary for Chinese officials to cheat in sport events (remember the underage female gymnasts in the Olympics) so I wouldn’t be surprise if "she" was a guy after all CNN said Hou Yifan is not fifteen,she is fifty,Maybe Chinese Goverment ask E.T. to make Hou look like 15 Because mindanalyzer know that it is customary for Chinese officials to cheat in sport events. |
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| Jun-08-09 |
| Imposter: <Zhijun>
Thanks for your thoughts. I hope she continues to improve. |
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| Jun-08-09 |
| Imposter: <Zhijun>
Do you think the forfeit may have upset her tournament? |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| kurtrichards: I'm no Chinese but to say that "it is customary for Chinese officials to cheat in sports events" is most unfair and irresponsible. If the sole argument is the "underage female gymnast in the olympics, then what has it to do with Miss Hou? |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| flhoosier: i believe that the forfeit did upset her playing. |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| Zhijun: Zhijun: Imposter: <Zhijun>
¡¶Do you think the forfeit may have upset her tournament?¡· I think the forfeit may have upset her a little,but not much. Usally Hou can recover from the loss quickly,But this she was not in form at all.So forfeit or not didn't matter. |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| Imposter: <Zhijun>
Probably right. Although she did well in the last tournament, qualifying for the World Cup, she crashed in this one. It is reminiscent of Shirov winning M-Tel and then losing the first four games of the 10th Karpov Tournament (2009) in Moscow. |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| Zhijun: kurtrichards:< I'm no Chinese but to say that "it is customary for Chinese officials to cheat in sports events" is most unfair and irresponsible. If the sole argument is the "underage female gymnast in the olympics, then what has it to do with Miss Hou?> The argument about underage female gymnast in the olympics dosn't make any sense,because it was verified that some American medias started a rumourmongering campaign just after the American gymnast team couln¡¯t take the gold medals which were considered belong to them absolutely(If the Americans won the Gold,there was no any campaign probably even Chinese may really cheated) .And then soon after overall investigation,IOC verified that the age of all Chinese gymnasts were legal for the Olympics.(You can goto the website of IOC or google for the details of this investigation) In Fact.The truth is that it is customary for any person to cheat in sports events or other fields in the world.
We can saw Ben Johnson of Canada cheated;Mario Jones of USA cheated and jailed;NBA referees of USA cheated and jailed;Juventus soccer club of Italy cheated and fined and degraded directly; The first recorded doping death occurred in 1886 when the cyclist Linton overdosed on tri-methyl during a race;Thomas Hicks cheated and won Gold in 1896,Athens(First person won olympics gold with cheating) ;Knud Jasen of Denmark cheated and died under his bike on the race lane in 1960,Rome( first person died of cheating in olympics in history);Even the most famous and greatest athletes,The greatest American idol: CARL LEWIS was verified that he had been doped most of races,why nobody caght him?Please remember USA is leader in medical technology and almost all fields,so IOC failed to found him doping until 23,April,2003,He admit his doping and Olympic committee of America helped him to conceal and unreport¡.etc.(you can google for details.) Of cause there are some cheating and doping in China, But who¡¯s first cheater,who cheated and is cheating more,If you are a objective person,you can draw a right conclusion except that you don¡¯t want to like <mindanalyzer>.. |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| kurtrichards: <Zhijun> That is why when someone post here that "it is customary for Chinese offials to cheat in sports events", I reacted that the statement was most unfair and irresponsible. In your list of cheaters, there is no Chinese there. As regards the gymnast who allegedly cheat on her age, it was proven that her age was correct. And what about Miss Hou, she is a girl. She is fifteen years old and not fifty according to someone here. What an insult. Btw, maybe someone should go to the website or google for details but not me. LOL |
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Jun-09-09
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| SirChrislov: Sad news for Yifan. she just lost the final game of the Chinese championship.
reason: showing up 5 seconds late!!! insane rule.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
also:
Carlsen vs Yifan Hou, 2008
the kibitzing is hilarious! |
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Jun-09-09
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| SirChrislov: correction to my last post. it was not the final but a round 8 game she lost by default. my apologies.
I err, therefore I am. -Tartakower |
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Jun-09-09
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| Ken MacGillivray: To SirChrislove; well you didn't err in your claim that she lost to an insane rule. The bizarre zero forfeit rule was a brainwaive of the FIDE President but despite a disastrous and unpopular test run at the 2008 Dresden Olympics, the new rule was approved by compliant FIDE officials earlier mthis year. |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| Zhijun: <kurtrichards>
Sorry to make you misunderstood my kibitz.
<If you are a objective person,you can draw a right conclusion except that you don¡¯t want to like <mindanalyzer>..> "YOU" in this sentence means any person who are not just and objectively,but not you,I apology for the understanding because of my broken English. <Of cause there are some cheating and doping in China>
Btw, I don't mentioned the Chinese cheater's name because they are obscure,even I pointed out them,you would probably forget them immediately,but You will remember CARL LEWIS ,Ben Johson,Maria,Jones, that's all. If you want,I can give some names of Chinese cheater,I hope you can remember them,:-)
Ouyan Kunpeng,Wu Yanyan,Swimming;
Gao Xiaoning,cyclist;
Yin Lili,Song Liqing,Liu Yunfeng,Cui Danfeng,Zhou Wei,Yang Chunlei,Liu Jing,LiJi,athletes;
and ETC.
If you know Chinese,you can google for more and more cheaters.:-) |
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| Jun-09-09 |
| Manic: <Ken MacGillivray>
Did you take that from the SMH in Sydney? =D
Indeed that is correct. For those interested I believe Kirsan
decided to trial it after he had to wait for his opponent and proceeded to lose. |
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Jun-11-09
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| Ken MacGillivray: <Manic> You are absolutely correct; these were the words of GM Ian Rogers but they expressed my views perfectly, except Ian put it more succinctly and better than I could have. |
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| Jun-21-09 |
| Manic: <Ken MacGillivray> It wouldn't be surpising if that view was shared by almost all chess players. It was from Rogers' column last year I found out that when and why Kirsan introduced it as well (Rogers' showed the same disdain for it then as he does now) |
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