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Sep-25-05 | | Calli: Harding's column http://www.chesscafe.com/TIM/kibb.htm says
"Lawson’s Paul Morphy, the Pride and Sorrow of Chess, of which a new edition appeared fairly recently" I never heard of a new edition. Anyone? |
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Sep-25-05 | | SBC: <Calli>
I read that too. And i did some searching and came up zilch. I think he's quite possibly mistaken. |
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Sep-25-05 | | DrKurtPhart: p.74
The crowd was always crying out for more. Never: "Enough already!" There was no end to it, they wouldn't 'Skip the light fandango', and in spite of him, in his quiet, modest way, trying masterfully to calm the crowds, it always ended with a crowd rendition of a 19th century version of:' A Whiter Shade of Paul'. So far ahead of 'His Time' was he. Time. No time. Even tramps had time, to play checkers, he had mused, while he, on the other hand, had to accept bejewelled timepieces with one hand, and attend banquets and trophy presentations with the other, and, most of the time, have no time. In no time at all, the continual invasion of his time, position and very mind, with mere chess problems and tiresome sundry awards, was resulting in a heartily executed pursuit of disenchantment for his overall position. He had to accept all the diamond-encrusted chessmen and silver goblets, and was beginning to have time trouble, and disinclination for chess, even, for which he was secretly developing an aversion for, culminating in a pact with his mother not to play chess in pubs anymore, oddly, even at odds with himself, not disdainfully even. Always riot, popularity and odd confusion popping up, almost after every move he would make. It was hard... |
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Sep-25-05 | | Calli: <SBC> Thanks. Apparently, Hanon is too busy to edit these days because he would know all the new books in the catalog and would catch such a blatant error in a flash. I wonder if there is some copyright problem with the book because it is an obvious candidate for reissue. |
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Sep-25-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <SBC> He's too busy carrying out his campaign of blacklisting books by me, Larry Parr, Ray Keene, and other people he dislikes--decisions which perhaps explain why he owes a couple of hundred thousand dollars to the USCF, and is now refusing to pay it, demanding the outsourcing deal be renegotiated at a lower rate and extended for more years. His buddy Goichberg is only too happy to oblige! But his non-stop war against so many people in the chess world does take up time! |
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Sep-25-05
 | | Eric Schiller: Isn't it more fun to take an old Morphy book and read it while consulting your chess engine? You can find many improvements on analysis that way, no need to buy a book for that (strange words, coming from me!).
I have been working on an expanded edition of my Rudolf Spielmann book, and have to say that many of the classic analysis by Spielmann, Tartakower etc. definitely missed defensive resources.
But Spielmann, like Morphy, believed in playing sacrifices regardless of the possibility of some brilliant defense. He wrote that in many cases he could not see the outcome of the sacrifice, but felt it was justified and promising. Computers have discouraged such play, unfortunately. Against humans, a true sacrifice is still good chess, creating problems for the opponent to solve. I don't think the beauty and courage of the true sacrifices are diminished just because a computer finds a defense against them.
Still, it is fun to let the computer point out where analysis is incomplete or flawed. But it is one of those activities that is more fun to do than to read about. |
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Sep-25-05 | | SBC: <tamar>
<I kind of doubt Hanon Russell would sue himself> From my own experience with him I'd wager that while he may not actually sue himself, he would most definitely threaten to. - <Calli>
<it is an obvious candidate for reissue.> Maybe all the library pilferers banded toether as a powerful lobbying force preventing the republishing in order to preserve their investment. - <Eric Schiller>
While I must admit that I've never read a book by you (despite the fact that I like unusual openings that some of your books cover) or Mr. Keene (though I would like to read his Staunton bio) or Larry Pharr (though I've learned a few things from him via message boards) due to the reason that I just haven't gotten around to it, I can say I don't understand all this acrimony in the chess publishing field. Russell and Winter don't like Keene and Schiller. Then Winter doesn't like Russell. On the chess messageboards all discussion of chess, particularly chess history, by people of superior intelligence, vast knowledge and wonderful credentiials seems to crumble so quickly into hissy fits, name calling and pathetic attempts at oneupmanship that one can't help but wonder if chess writers are dysfunctional by nature (please, no offense intended- I seldom see any postings by you - or Mr. Keene - on said messageboards). |
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Sep-25-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <SBC> Neither Ray nor I post or read the chess "newsgroups", because it is truly a zoo of a small collection of dysfunctional people. I agree with you that there is no need for all the acrimony, but I've talked to psychologist friends about it and they seem to think it is all predictable. So many people think that they can do better than someone who "just happens" to be a published author, so they sit at home, pick out some flaws, and then feel that they are superior. Winter was best buddies with Hanon, but they had a nasty falling out. Perhaps Hanon pointed out some flaw in a Winter posting, that's an unforgivable offense to the man who delights in pointing out errors by others. Winter threatened to sue my publisher when I corrected an error he made about Koltanowski, a great chess raconteur who is under constant assault from the Winter crowd. Najdorf and Kolty were chess story-tellers, not historians, and their tales are read for entertainment, not as part of a scholarly project. It would be a better world if people just offered constructive criticism and corrections without the bile, but that's not the way the world works.
If Morphy were alive today, he'd probably be criticized for playing too many short games, and attacked on all sorts of political grounds, with gossip about his private life dominating the "newsgroups". By the way, I'd like to recommend Frisco del Rosario's excellent book on Morphy, aimed at beginners. I don't know if every bit of analysis is computer checked, but Frisco does a great job of presenting the instructive points of the game and has an entertaining writing style. If you are a Morphy fan, you might still discover games you aren't familiar with. |
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Sep-25-05
 | | tamar: <SBC> It puzzles me also why the chess world devolves into factional squabbling. Morphy's response to controversy-"he shall never win another game from me"- is unavailable to us mere mortals. |
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Sep-25-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <tamar> I'm not sure if Paul Morphy was the first to be involved in such controversies, but it seems in the nature of the chess world, where egos tend to be supersized. |
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Sep-25-05 | | DrKurtPhart: p.75
He also had to endure all the unbridled enthusiastic pandemonium, and swooning female admirers, at all his blindfold simul displays. Time after time. The additional burden of the natural ability to play chess better than anybody else in the recorded history of the planet, didn't help, of course... ..only adding to his load, to his cross to bear, and sadly, for all his adversaries, he would have to give every one of them the humiliating odds of the feared: 'one-hand-tied-behind-the-back' odds, adding, to his distaste, of him being led into a feeling of being saliently regretful, with a tinge of pity and embarrassment for his vanquished, but doting opponents. He, having also to put up with being the first American-born citizen to achieve global acclaim for anything, and as a result had to sit through all the ticker-tape parades and chat show equivalents of the times, the Howard Leno show, the Adolf Letterman show. All the medals and keys to the cities. All the masked-balls and parties...champagne, caviar, fine cigars, chess..aargh |
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Sep-25-05 | | lblai: With regard to the "blacklisting" charge mentioned by
Eric Schiller, someone at rec.games.chess.politics
commented, "If the Minnesota Vikings decide that they don't
want Randy Moss playing for their team, that's not
blacklisting. If all 32 NFL teams agree that no one will allow
Randy Moss to play for any of those teams, that's blacklisting.Similarly, one company not carrying Schiller books is not
blacklisting".
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Sep-25-05 | | lblai: Eric Schiller claims to have "corrected an error [Winter]
made about Koltanowski". Is he willing to produce the actual
quote of Edward Winter where this supposed error took
place? |
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Sep-25-05 | | WMD: Eric, this really won't do. Mr. Winter has many contacts in the chess world. No doubt, he shall come to hear about this. 'On the chessboard, lies and hypocrisy do not survive long. The creative combination lays bare the presumption of a lie; the merciless fact, culminating in the checkmate, contradicts the hypocrite.' |
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <SBC: This is apropos of nothing, but I was wondering why Chess Cafe might need permission from the publisher of the book when the publisher of Chess Cafe and the publisher of the book are one and the same - or if the permission isn't really needed, then why even mention it? > A good question! I suspect this "pro forma" practice is followed as a general policy to maintain an image of responsibility (since not everyone will be familiar with all the details of the situation). (Another possibility: perhaps it's somewhat like a person sitting all alone in a room who sneezes and then says, "Excuse me": there's no need to say it, but the habit is deeply engrained.) I guess a more legitimate possibility might be that it is done to prevent others from reprinting the excerpt. The whole publication itself is (presumably) under copyright protection, but the force of the explication might be, "hey, just in case you forgot the general copyright protection we enjoy, this specific excerpt has its own independent copyright protection that you should consider." While this could be the case, I really suspect it is just habitual. Just like putting braille on gas pumps, etc. ("A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..." [R. W. Emerson] (Hey Waldo, watch what you say about divines there, buckeroo!) (I would like to point out that when I quoted myself over on page 6 of the Shredder message board, which may be seen by clicking the *page specific* link Shredder (Computer)
I did so only with permission. There are *good reasons* I haven't sued myself!) Ah, habit, that mighty force in the human psyche! I suspect that if we could see a pie chart of the ACTUAL forces at work in human behavior, we would find that habit and temperament each have an enormous slice of the pie, with rationality assigned a tiny sliver. But it is to be hoped that this will change as we evolve! (: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Sep-25-05 | | WMD: <(Another possibility: perhaps it's somewhat like a person sitting all alone in a room who sneezes and then says, "Excuse me": there's no need to say it, but the habit is deeply engrained.)> Or locking the toilet door in an otherwise empty house. |
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Sep-25-05
 | | tamar: <Eric Schiller> Outsiders see us as a contentious and unhappy lot. My favorite example from my teenage years:
My mother observed me engrossed in looking at Alain White's "Sam Loyd and His Chess Problems", and asked me why chess players all seem to have "problems". |
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <WMD> But can you ever *really be sure* that the house is otherwise empty?! :P Like most children of the post-Hitchcock era, I always lock the door when I take a shower, otherwise-empty-house or not! (: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
(Silly as the practice may be, locking the door to the loo in an otherwise empty house is certainly preferable to leaving the door open in a full house!) |
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Sep-25-05 | | WMD: <Our article ‘Over and Out’ referred to ‘a clear-cut lie’ by Eric Schiller and to his ‘mendacity’. The ink was hardly dry before we had occasion to note more of the same, in the form of a grotesque attack on us at his Chesscity website which was flatly untrue, not to say libellous. As is well known, Lasker and Tarrasch played two matches, in 1908 and 1916. The first of these was for the world championship, but the second (six games only) was not. Even so, some authors have erroneously indicated that the 1916 encounter was a world title match, two examples being Karpov in Miniatures from the World Champions (Batsford, 1985, pages 43-44) and Koltanowski in With the Chess Masters (Falcon Publishers, 1972, page 48). Koltanowski wrote: ‘Twice Tarrasch mounted a campaign to take the world title from Lasker – and twice Lasker beat him badly.’ We quoted this in the September-October 1986 issue of C.N. and simply added a five-word rhetorical question, ‘When was the second time?’ The item was included on page 160 of our 1996 book Chess Explorations. A straightforward matter, it might be thought, but now enter Eric Schiller. In late 1999 he posted on his website the following monstrosity: ‘Young Mr Winter gives as an “example of general carelessness” that Koltanowski makes the absurd statement that Tarrasch played two matches with Lasker, as only one was played. Anyone who has followed the careers of these great players knows that there were, of course, two matches. The second match does contain some rather poor play by Tarrasch, who got clobbered, but nevertheless it was a real match. The games are presented below. In his 90s Kolty may slip up from time to time. But the insult by the impudent young chess historian is without foundation. In any case, Kolty’s witty prose and wealth of anecdotes are far more valuable than some whining lad who can’t even get the facts right.’ On another page on the same site Schiller wrote, under the heading ‘Chess Explorations and Exploitations’: ‘So when Young Salieri (not his real name, but many will recognize the moniker) claimed that he knows more about the early days of the century, when George was actually playing and eye-witnessing events, it behooved us to check the facts. The question is simple: did Lasker play one match against Tarrasch (as claimed by Young Salieri), or two, as Kolty stated. Click here for the answer.’ In short, although we had been referring to the status of the 1916 match, i.e. the (indisputable) fact that it was not for the world title, Schiller falsely and aggressively proclaimed that we were unaware of the very existence of the match. On 14 December 1999 we sent an e-mail message to the Chesscity site asking for a retraction and apology. To quote just one paragraph from our message: ‘To claim that I am unaware of the 1916 match is absurd, if only because on page 214 of my book [Chess Explorations] I specifically referred to it. Or again, the book that I edited for Pergamon Press, World Chess Champions, included some discussion of the 1916 match, together with the annotated score of one of the games.’ Apprised of the truth, Schiller had no intention of apologizing. On 18 December he wrote to us: ‘Nio [sic] apology necessary, you are guilty of an unwarrented [sic] attack on Koltanowski. I will defend him against your garbage.’ The same day he rewrote bits of his website, maintaining the untruth that we had claimed there had been only one Lasker v Tarrasch match, intensifying his personal attack on us and introducing a fresh charge, equally groundless: now, he added, we were also guilty of ‘sloppiness, poor editing’. To be accused of that by Schiller, of all people, is priceless.> http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
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Sep-25-05 | | SBC: <tamar>
<My mother observed me engrossed in looking at Alain White's "Sam Loyd and His Chess Problems", and asked me why chess players all seem to have "problems".> Now... there's a classic!
Thanks.
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Sep-25-05 | | SBC: <BishopBerkeley>
I've often considered the idea of spiritual (or moral) evolution. It seems only reasonable to believe that the "soul" or that which makes us human should evolve just as species evolve phyically. The problem is, at least for me, that while we can note from creatures now extinct how much the physical world has changed over milleniums, and we can postulate rather intelligibly about how evolution might occur, there are scientic data and observations to support all these things. Once we look at moral or spiritual evolution throughout the span of mankind, there seems to be nothing to demonstrate we have evolved at all or ever will. Societies do seem to evolve, but not those populating them. This makes me wonder about the old saying, "Crime doesn't pay." If it doesn't pay, then what's the reason for it's immense and unswerving popularity since the dawn of mankind? |
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Sep-25-05 | | SBC: I think I made a strategic error.
In my slow and tempo-wasting, pawn-grabbing foray, I believe I invited into the sacrosanct Morphy page the very type of desperado sequencing that has reduced the chess forums elsewhere to unreadable tripe. mea maxima culpa. |
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Sep-25-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <tamar> I've also noticed that mathematicians seem to be vexed with lots of problems in a similar way! Ah, more evidence for that oft-cited connection between genius and madness, I suppose! (I read a story once, perhaps on one of these message boards, about someone who, as a young person, had seen a book on the shelf in a bookstore titled, "Winning with the Colle System". Though he had no idea what the Colle System was, or even that it had anything to do with Chess or any game, he decided, "Hey, I certainly want to win with the Colle System!!" So he bought the book, and then realized that he had to learn to play Chess first (which, as I recall, he did, and embraced it as a fond hobby: but I don't think he turned out to have much ability with the Colle System :P ) Perhaps you were the one who had this experience? (Oy, my faulty memory!) (: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :)
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Sep-25-05
 | | tamar: <SBC> My mother is so funny. She loved to make inductive leaps about my curious hobby of chess. She pointed out that chess causes the eyes to get too close together with the only evidence a photo of Michael Stean on the backcover of "Simple Chess" |
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Sep-25-05 | | SBC: <Eric Schiller>
<I'd like to recommend Frisco del Rosario's excellent book on Morphy, aimed at beginners. I don't know if every bit of analysis is computer checked, but Frisco does a great job of presenting the instructive points of the game and has an entertaining writing style. If you are a Morphy fan, you might still discover games you aren't familiar with.> While I'm neither a beginner nor likely to be surprised anymore with an undiscovered Morphy game, I appreciate the heads-up on Frisco del Rosario whom I never heard of. <everyone>
Is it possible to assemble here a list of every book either written about Morphy or in which Morphy is dominantly featured? |
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