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|Oct-08-14|| ||NBAFan: Happy birthday Arthur! Best wishes for your health.|
|Oct-08-14|| ||SteinitzLives: GM Bisguier, a great man among sharks most of his life.
Happy Birthday Arthur, hope to see you at USATE next year!|
|Oct-08-14|| ||TheFocus: I have both volumes of his <Art of Bisguier>. Nice books.|
|Oct-18-14|| ||SteinitzLives: I read that Bisguier is only four degrees of separation from Morphy, (how many living players can say that!) in that he played Tartakover, in 1950 who battled just about everyone, including Blackburne in 1907 who played Anderssen in 1862, who played Morphy shortly before then.|
I had the pleasure of playing Bisguier in 2011 so I am just five degrees away. I feel a trip to New Orleans coming on.
|Oct-18-14|| ||FredGambit: <I read that Bisguier is only four degrees of separation from Morphy, (how many living players can say that!)>|
Tim Krabbe: "I once played an official game with Euwe who played Tarrasch, who played Paulsen, who played Morphy."
|Oct-19-14|| ||Joshka: <SteinitzLives> Hey if simuls count, I'm one degree away from Petrosian!:-) Got to play him in Boston, Ma. in the early 80's.|
|Oct-19-14|| ||perfidious: Met Bisguier four times in serious play so am also a Morphy 5, not to mention in simuls during 1974-75.|
In large part due to those games, I am also two degrees from all the FIDE world champions in the period of Botvinnik through Kasparov, except Tal, whom I actually played some blitz games with late in his life.
|Oct-19-14|| ||RookFile: Bisguier played Reshevsky who played Lasker who played Bird who played Morphy.|
Bisguier played Kashdan who played Showalter who played Bird who played Morphy.
Interesting exercise. I'm sure there are other ways.
|Oct-19-14|| ||RookFile: Us New England guys who played Harry Lyman know that Harry played a simul game against Lasker, who played Bird, who played Morphy.|
|Oct-19-14|| ||perfidious: Not, of course, that anyone would have heard about it from Harry in general; despite his considerable strength and aggression at the board, he was a mild, self-effacing man.|
|Oct-20-14|| ||Caissanist: According to the Wikipedia article on the subject (yes, there really is one), playing Bisguier gives you a Morphy number of 4, thanks to our buddy James Mortimer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphy...
|Nov-25-14|| ||Phony Benoni: Coming soon to a database near you from Bisguier - Kenneth Ray Smith, US Open, St. Louis, 1960:|
click for larger view
Yes, 20.Ra1 (and no doubt other moves) win as well, but it only delays the amusing clincher.
|Dec-04-14|| ||zanzibar: <Oy vey ist mir>, all of Bisguier's 1954 Hollywood games are tagged as Blindfold. |
No, they all were from <2nd Pan-American Open, Hollywood (1954)>, and were classic games.
Wow, even ChessTempo seems to make this same mistake.
|Jun-16-15|| ||dumbgai: Is Bisguier the lowest rated GM? He's 2170 FIDE now (2200 USCF with rating floor). I imagine that a lot of GMs would be rated similarly if they actively played into their 80s like Bisguier is still doing.|
|Aug-10-16|| ||zanzibar: http://www.intelius.com/people/Arth...|
He was manager at Burlington Coat Factory.
I never knew that!
|Oct-08-16|| ||Ironmanth: Many happy returns of the day, Arthur! Treasure our meetings at the World Opens in the early 2000s. Live long and prosper, Grandmaster.|
|Dec-18-16|| ||offramp: The U in his surname serves a dramatic linguistic purpose, it prevents yahoos from pronouncing the central G as a J. The French do this in names such as GELFAND, which they spell as GUELFAND so that parvenus and malcontents won't accidentally say his name as JELFAND.|
Evidently Bisguier's ancestors came from a town called BIZGI somewhere in Eastern Europe and had the surname BIZGIER to show their origins. Then I reckon they moved to France and were disconcerted that some French nitwits and lunatics said their name as BIZJI. So some wise old ancestor changed the name to include that all-important U, so that the name retained its town-of-origin etymology.
|Jan-30-17|| ||offramp: <offramp: ...Evidently Bisguier's ancestors came from a town called BIZGI somewhere in Eastern Europe and had the surname BIZGIER to show their origins. ...>|
Once again Offramp was proved mostly right. Bisguier's ancestors came from Turkey.
There is a small village called Bizgi in the Erzincan region of that enigmatic country.
They were better off out of it.
|Jan-30-17|| ||Retireborn: I have been saying Jelfand for years! Had no idea it was wrong :)|
|Jan-30-17|| ||perfidious: <Retireborn>, I actually know someone whose surname is Gelfand, a Belarusian émigré, which would have saved me even if I had not known better--those Eastern European names can be tough, though.|
Without having met Bisguier very early on in my career, I might have butchered his name as well. He was always one of the good guys.
|Jan-30-17|| ||Retireborn: <perfidious> I suppose Geller isn't pronounced Jeller either? Jolly embarrassing for me.|
I used to have a Polish boss called Jan. Had no idea it was pronounced Yan, so I called him Jan. No wonder he gave me a few funny looks.
|Jan-30-17|| ||keypusher: <offramp: The U in his surname serves a dramatic linguistic purpose, it prevents yahoos from pronouncing the central G as a J. The French do this in names such as GELFAND, which they spell as GUELFAND so that parvenus and malcontents won't accidentally say his name as JELFAND.>|
In the United States Art would have a better chance of having his name pronounced correctly if it was spelled BISGUIRE.
|Jan-30-17|| ||offramp: <Retireborn: I have been saying Jelfand for years! Had no idea it was wrong :)>|
Yes, you would do. That is normal for English-speakers. Almost always a G in front of an I or an E is pronounced like a J except for really old German/Saxon words like GET and FINGER. So you did the natural thing. And that's why the French sometimes alter the name.
|Jan-30-17|| ||offramp: Another example is the site of Karpov - Korchnoi World Championship (1978), Baguio, pronounced Baggy-o.
If there were no U, people might say BAJIO.|
|Jan-30-17|| ||perfidious: Try this one for size: the late Mark Izrailovich Dvoretsky, pronounced vore-YET-ski.|
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