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| Jan-27-08 |
| nomaster: I own about 20 columns written by Larsen for Argentinian newspapers and chess magazines in the early and mid-nineties. I still found great joy going through those reviews, packed with insightful commentary, not only on the chessgames analized, but also on the atmosphere of chess tournaments and matches, the psychological aspects of the game, seasoned with a clever sense of humour. Couldn't get my hands on any of his books but judging by earlier posts here, these pieces I have share the same qualities. I assume that the analysis of variations might be less accurate and exhaustive (especially the newspaper ones, published the very day after the games) than the ones in the books, but still, Larsen writing seems to rely more on concepts than on variations. I might upload those when I got some time and will to do so. |
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| Jan-27-08 |
| pazzed paun: <Troller> Larsen achieved at a level of what he earned no more no less--no "bad luck" no unearned good luck. one of the very strange things about Larsen that kept him from being one of the top players of all time was his trashtalking of bobby fischer. Larsen was Fischer's second for a time, he also hung out for months with
Benko and Evans. he had to have known how striong Fischer was. Instead Larsen gets quoted spouting idicocies! Fisher in 1964 wins the U.S. champio nship 11-0. Larsen says that Keres told him Keres would win a match
against Fischer 8-2.
If in 1963 or later Keres said that he was delusional. For a strong player let alone a GM to quote that as if it were valid is idiotic. Larsen had an up close look on what it would take to raise his game to another level but he failed to understand that it was necessary. ... he deservedly became an also ran |
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| Feb-04-08 |
| Troller: <pazzed paun> I don't know if his "trashtalking" actually kept him from performing better. As you say yourself, he achieved the level his talent justified. As I write above, he was always just below the very best (although to be #3-10 in the world for 15 years or so is no mean feat of course). There is a reason he only got as far as the Candidates Semi-Finals. Even if his working conditions were not ideal, he made the most of it, and I agree that he more or less achived what was possible for him. However, in his own perception, he was "unlucky" and he firmly believes (or so it seems) that he could have been world champion. There is a comment by <Poulsen> on page 6 or so that explains this character trait very well, so I won't go deeper into it here. Suffice it to say that his ego has often clouded his judgments. I would like to see your sources on the quote, though. I know Larsen has made some very blatant statements, but some of them are made in a jocular fashion. Taken out of context, quotes are often misleading. Larsen's relationship with Fischer wasn't entirely bad, and from his writings it is clear that he holds him in very high esteem as a chessplayer. As a person who would be expected to know Fischer a bit more than the average GM, Larsen has of course been interviewed on Fischer's withdrawal from chess. He believed him to be extremely insecure and with a great fear of meeting someone stronger than him at chess. Make this someone also younger than Fischer and a Communist (as in Karpov's case), and Fischer would be unable to meet him, since, if he lost, his life would be falling apart. This is Larsen's explanation, so take it for what it's worth. <he deservedly became an also ran> What is missing here? |
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| Feb-04-08 |
| Poulsen: <parisattack><His career was over as soon as he shook hands with Fischer after the 6th game of their 1971 match> I quess it would have been a more servere setback, if I had happened against a lesser player than Fischer. Interesting enough he thinks, that his result in Portopoz 1958 was his greatest setback. One can never know about Larsen: maybe he felt, that he was doomed against Fischer in 1971 - already before game 1? In that case one can argue, that he went down with smoking guns. In any case the result hardly displays a fair picture of his strenght ... Fischer or not. |
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| Feb-04-08 |
| Poulsen: ... and by the way: I don't think Larsen did any trashtalking about Fischer. But he knew Fischer enough to predict for instance, that Fischer would never defend his title. |
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Feb-05-08
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| brankat: Ever since Portoroz,'58, and then the Candidates 1959, where Larsen was Fischer's "part time" second, there existed a strong rivalry between the two masters. Outspoken, self-confident, honest, Larsen, on occasion, expressed sincerely his thoughts on Fischer (usually right on the mark), but he never did any "trash talking" concerning Fischer, or anybody else. As for Larsen's strength, it has been well manifested by his results. Five appearances in the Candidates, a host of victories in strong international events. At least 15 years amongst the leading masters. A unique approach to Chess, and an exciting style of play. What more would one want? |
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Feb-05-08
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| Ziggurat: <brankat> Very well said. Add to that that he is one of the very best chess writers. His book "Selected Games", for instance, has some of the best game notes ever published, IMO. |
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| Feb-05-08 |
| gus inn: Larsen once told me "That Najdorf did not know how to play chess" .. It was not nice listen to.And it tells me about the limitations of his intellect - which is not in conflict with the chessgeniuspart of Larsen IMO. |
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| Feb-05-08 |
| Poulsen: <gus inn> come on, that has to be one of Larsens provocative remarks - I think he thought highly of Najdorf as chessplayer - a man, who was liked by most people. I believe (i will have to look it up) I once saw a remark showing Larsens respect for Najdorfs endgame technic, when they both witnessed one of the Karpov - Kasparov matches. Don't misjudge Larsen's intellect - he's a very clever guy. |
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| Feb-05-08 |
| gus inn: I try to share an experience with e.g. you ,< Poulsen> . He did NOT say it jokingly.
But perhaps you know Larsens brain better than mine.Or the image of your hero is in danger.
And I have never said he is not a clever guy , when we measure him with your standards.I just gave what I see as his limitation.As also you and I have limitaitons. |
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| Feb-07-08 |
| Poulsen: <gus inn> I will have to admit, that I don't know Larsen personally - and that he's not a hero mine. Nor the opposite. I for instance have very clear stance as to why Larsen never became WCh. I am merely first-hand witness to a few "experiences" involving Larsen - which are 1. Attending a lecture by Larsen.
2. Playing with black against Larsen in a simul - losing terrible. 3. Being in the audience with Larsen acting as commentator. 4. Seeing him analyze games and otherwise interrelate with other strong players. I have also had the exquisid pleasure of having him annoting one of my own games. On this basis I can safely say, that he's a man with a wisdom, knowlegde and intellect, which is not any way limited by his "trade" - so to say - no matter by which standard you want to measure it. I don't know much about the late mr. Fischer - but I have little doubt as to, who was the most intelligent of the two. Now, I do not doubt your claim of what he has once said about Najdorf. I just fell an inconsistency between that - and other (written) remarks about Najdorf (again, it's just of my memory). We all have our limitations - true - I do however prefer to see them as strengths and weaknesses - instead of implying something about "high" and "low" if you get my meaning - in my limited ability to write in english. |
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Feb-09-08
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| whiteshark: Quote of the Day
" The stomach is an essential part of the chess master. " -- Bent Larsen
yum-yum |
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Mar-04-08
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| brankat: Happy Birthday Mr.Larsen! |
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Mar-04-08
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| whiteshark: Many happy returns, GM Larsen! |
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| Mar-04-08 |
| gus inn: Happy Birthday , Bent !
And may many more come your way . |
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| Mar-04-08 |
| Sourav: Happy Birthday from India, Mr. Larsen!! |
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| Mar-04-08 |
| Riverbeast: Happy Birthday to a brilliant talent!
Re: the previous posts - I think Bent Larsen was right, that he could have been world champion if things had gone his way, especially in the 1966 and 1969 cycles. At that point (while Fischer was out) he seemed to be the equal of Spassky and Petrosian...but perhaps his uncompromising, aggressive style did not lend itself to match play. |
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Mar-04-08
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| Resignation Trap: Happy Birthday, Bent!
I can hardly wait for a translation of <Todas las Piezas Atacan> into English. http://www.ajedrez21.com/Tienda/pro... . |
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Apr-20-08
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| whiteshark: <I admired him> [Lasker] <until I studied his games.> -- Bent Larsen
g8! :D |
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| Apr-20-08 |
| slomarko: <As for Larsen's strength, it has been well manifested by his results.> you mean the famous 0-6 whitewash by Fischer? :P |
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Apr-20-08
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| hrvyklly: <Brankat: but he never did any "trash talking" concerning Fischer> and <Poulsen: I don't think Larsen did any trashtalking about Fischer. But he knew Fischer enough to predict for instance, that Fischer would never defend his title.> In 1970 Larsen was asked when Fischer would become World Champion, he replied, "Never, he is afraid to play." Now *that* is trash-talking. After Fischer beat Taimanov 6-0 Fischer said that the score was unrepresentative of the difference in the players' strength, I don't recall him saying anything similar after beating Larsen 6-0? |
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| Apr-20-08 |
| sitzkrieg: <he replied, "Never, he is afraid to play." Now *that* is trash-talking.> Now that is fun. And it was almost true too, in fact, if the match organizers would have been fair Fischer would not have played. |
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Apr-21-08
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| brankat: <hrvyklly> Despite a number of brilliant results which B.Fischer achieved during his brief career, it had always been a nightmare to get him to play in the first place. Those who knew him best attributed this to Fischer's paranoid fear of losing. Bent Larsen was certainly one of those who knew Bobby quite well, ever since Portoroz Interzonal, 1958, when Bobby was only 15. Unlike many others, being an outspoken person not afraid to speak his mind, Larsen openly stated his opinion. And he was just about right on. Either way the sentence in question hardly constitutes "trash talking". |
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| Apr-21-08 |
| Petrosianic: <In 1970 Larsen was asked when Fischer would become World Champion, he replied, "Never, he is afraid to play." Now *that* is trash-talking.> It was what a lot of people were saying at the time, considering that he'd just dropped out of one interzonal prematurely and refused to even play in the one before that, despite qualifying for it. Even fans in the US were upset at Fischer for skipping the 64 Interzonal. One US player was heard to remark at the time that Fischer was trying to become the simultaneous exhibition champion of the world. Larsen was the eternal optimist, however, and even AFTER losing to Fischer, he was predicting that he'd become champion in 1975. In a way it's a shame he didn't. Like Tal, he had the kind of personality that played well to the non-chessplaying public. |
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| Apr-21-08 |
| greenrook: I have read that Larsen is known for his caustic sense of humour - I'm sure his remarks about Fischer & Najdorf were made in a tongue-in-cheek fashion to provoke a reaction from those listening. |
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