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|Aug-18-14|| ||Ke2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGX...|
|Jan-09-15|| ||Avun Jahei: When I play the Giuco Piano (rarely) I usually play the moves of Greco's game Nr 45 (with White!), for it was the first game I studied in my life when I was a child. At least one time the resulting game was allmost exactly like the historical one|
So I guess - though those games are certainely composed - he too did actually play most of them. Maybe more than once. Because they are, for the most part, just illustrations of common opening traps.
|Jan-09-15|| ||Avun Jahei: Giuoco Piano of course.|
|Jan-26-15|| ||FSR: <perfidious: NN certainly wasn't displeased to see him pass on, I'm sure. Had the two never met, there would be a mere 480 losses against NN's ledger.>|
As you can see from the game list, Greco was so much NN's bÍte noire that he beat NN twice 10 years before he (Greco) was born!
|Jan-26-15|| ||perfidious: <FSR> Superior talent will out!|
|Jan-22-16|| ||Solomon2003: wow 100% incredible result|
|Jan-22-16|| ||offramp: <Solomon2003: wow 100% incredible result...>|
Dear <Solomon2003>, welcome to chessgames.com. I really think you'll enjoy it here. Because it is a chess site, nearly everyone is a bit clever so it is usually a civilised place.
I have read your posts and I think you're going to be a valuable contributor here. Just find a game you like, then comment on it!
|Feb-04-16|| ||Solomon2003: thanks offramp|
|May-06-16|| ||Christoforus Polacco: In my opinion Greco had great chess talent as Anderssen, Morphy and Tal. If it were the ''time machine'' and it was the possiblitity for Greco to work with Kasparov as Gioachino's teacher at the age of 20 - Greco would be very strong grandmaster of modern time. Like Ivanchuk for example.|
|May-25-16|| ||Wulebgr: Someone should compile all of Greco's games and fragments from his MSS. This selection of 79 is paltry. He has close to 200 in his MSS.|
|Jan-29-17|| ||zanzibar: Vintage early-period <offramp>:|
<<offramp>: If Greco was given a few days to catch up on theory he would slaughter Kasparov, Kramnik et al! ;-)>
Gioachino Greco (kibitz #25)
The irony remains, even if the smileys have disappeared.
|Jan-29-17|| ||zanzibar: Botterill, p15 in his <Open Gambits> book writes:|
<The analytical biography of the gambit is a sad story, with no hope of a happy ending for the gambiteer. In a way that is in keeping with the fate of Gioachino Greco (c. 1600-c.1635). There is a tale that, having won some 5,000 crowns by overcoming France's leading players in 1621, he was robbed of all his prize money by outlaws while visiting England in the following year. During his lifetime he peddled manuscripts on chess openings to wealthy patrons. When these were collected and published after his death they became enormously influential for more than a century. Yet in the long run his pioneering analyses were received with little gratitude, since masters who came after him - like Stamma and Philidor - were more eager to stress their own superiority than to accord credit that was due.>
|Jan-29-17|| ||Joshka: Well who did Greco learn the game from? Every game is NN. Much too strange.|
|Jan-30-17|| ||offramp: < zanzibar: Vintage early-period <offramp>:
<<offramp>: If Greco was given a few days to catch up on theory he would slaughter Kasparov, Kramnik et al! ;-)>|
Gioachino Greco (kibitz #25)
The irony remains, even if the smileys have disappeared.>
I did a slightly funnier version of the same thing at Mephisto (Computer) (kibitz #15).
|Apr-30-17|| ||sorrowstealer: Even Morphy played games to almost every infamous people (just you know some of their name and can put it)and here Greco was from 17th century|
|May-04-17|| ||Joshka: <dumbgai> Agree, this whole thing about GRECO is like most of our MSM "fake news" He's got games in 1590 and born around 1600..LOL So he learned chess from?? He NEVER lost a game??....these are all arranged, faked, ect.|
|May-04-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Joshka>: <Agree, this whole thing about GRECO is like most of our MSM "fake news" He's got games in 1590 and born around 1600..<LOL So he learned chess from?? He NEVER lost a game??....these are all arranged, faked, ect.>|
That's an insanely stupid argument. "None of his losses have been preserved, therefore he never lost a game at all, therefore none of his wins are real.
You might as well argue that 2+2=Purple.", therefore Purple is a small golfing umbrella.
|May-04-17|| ||perfidious: Gawdam, has the fake news craze migrated here, too? Enough already--take that horsebleep to the Rogovian mosh pit.|
|May-04-17|| ||Petrosianic: You forgot to mention the fact that he was such a good player even though he only played 79 games in his whole life. If we're going to be silly, at least take it to the logical conclusion.|
|May-05-17|| ||Joshka: Two games from 1590, then all the rest 30 years later!!!LOL....man you folks here are so gullible!!!|
|May-05-17|| ||Petrosianic: One sure thing about Joshka, when he makes a mistake, he always doubles down on it rather than being big enough to admit and correct it. (In this case, the mistake being that the database contains 100% of a player's games). It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't make so MANY.|
|May-24-17|| ||Sally Simpson: It must have been mentioned before but recently I've been reading how poor Greco's opponent were.|
These games are from the book 'The Chess Games of Greco' by Hoffmann which is misleading as Hoffman himself states these games were made up.
From the preface of Hoffmann's book.
"Of his contests over the board, unhappily, no records remain; but he left to succeeding generations a legacy in the shape of a collection of imaginary games...."
Nowhere in the book does Greco give his name or any other name. It is always 'White' and 'Black.'
He analysed the opening and closed with usually a sparkling finish for effect and was showing us what wonderful things could be done with the chess pieces.
We actually owe him a great deal. His book printed round about 1620 helped keep chess alive and fired the imagination and inspiration of all who read it for a few 100 years.
|Jun-30-17|| ||Christoforus Polacco: My opinion is - almost every Greco's brilliancy can be compilation of a few similar games played before against his not too strong oponents who were defeated by phenomenal Calabrese at real games. For example ten years ago my friend made such typical error like NN : 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 f6 ??? 5.N:g5 and black's position is lost. The same mistakes are cloned by centuries :)|
|Jun-30-17|| ||Christoforus Polacco: ANNEX. But one real game (or 'compiled' game) can be a source of a few another compositions. For example the real is my game above and black's real answer was : 5.... fg and next white's 6.Qh5+ with fast mate in a few moves. In such situation Greco usual analysed another sensible possibilities : 5....Nh6 6.Qh5+ Ke7 7.Nf7 Qe8 8.Qc5+ d6 9.Q:c7 etc. That analysis could emerge sooner or later at real Greco's game or ... never :) But I suppose Greco played a lot and also had a lot of occasions to test his theory in practice. I think that is the secret of Greco's method and his games agaist NN. We can say - NN is Greco's 'collective opponent' from quite veritable contests.|
|Jul-09-17|| ||offramp: <Joshka> you seem to be the only person on this site who <always> gets this wrong:
<...these are all arranged, faked, ect.>|
If you mean ect to be "et cetera" then the abbreviation is etc.
If you are referring to electro-convulsive therapy then you have been right all along and I apologise.
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