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Veselin Topalov
Topalov 
Photograph copyright © 2005 World Chess Championship Press.  

Number of games in database: 2,490
Years covered: 1986 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2717 (2618 rapid, 2657 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +536 -283 =730 (58.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 941 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (220) 
    B90 B33 B48 B80 B30
 Ruy Lopez (167) 
    C84 C78 C65 C67 C92
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (77) 
    C84 C92 C95 C90 C97
 King's Indian (74) 
    E92 E94 E60 E97 E91
 Queen's Gambit Declined (70) 
    D37 D38 D39 D31 D35
 Slav (68) 
    D12 D17 D15 D18 D11
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (308) 
    B90 B51 B30 B33 B80
 Ruy Lopez (105) 
    C67 C65 C78 C84 C90
 Sicilian Najdorf (99) 
    B90 B92 B91 B93 B97
 Queen's Pawn Game (89) 
    E10 A46 D02 E00 A40
 King's Indian (85) 
    E92 E97 E94 E81 E67
 Modern Benoni (57) 
    A57 A70 A58 A62 A56
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Topalov vs Aronian, 2006 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2008 1-0
   Topalov vs Anand, 2005 1-0
   Anand vs Topalov, 2005 1/2-1/2
   Topalov vs Ponomariov, 2005 1-0
   Kharlov vs Topalov, 2004 0-1
   Topalov vs Kasparov, 1996 1-0
   Kramnik vs Topalov, 2005 0-1
   Topalov vs Bareev, 2002 1-0
   Topalov vs Kamsky, 2006 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Vrnjacka Banja (1991)
   Aviles Open (1992)
   Euwe Memorial (1996)
   Dortmund Candidates (2002)
   Corus Group A (2006)
   Bulgarian Championship (1989)
   Wch U16 (1990)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (1999)
   Linares (1995)
   Gibraltar Masters (2015)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   Gibraltar Masters (2017)
   Moscow Olympiad (1994)
   Dresden Olympiad (2008)
   Istanbul Olympiad (2012)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   T Tops Distract Fredthebear by fredthebear
   Match Topalov! by amadeus
   Match Topalov! by docjan
   Exchange sacs - 1 by Baby Hawk
   Exchange sacs - 1 by obrit
   Exchange sacs - 1 by pacercina
   Power Chess - Topalov by Anatoly21
   Topalov! by larrewl
   Topalov great games by Topzilla
   Classic Topalov by amadeus
   Topalov and the two bishops by OJC

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   Topalov vs Vachier-Lagrave (Apr-30-25) 0-1, blitz
   Topalov vs Aronian (Apr-30-25) 0-1, blitz

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VESELIN TOPALOV
(born Mar-15-1975, 50 years old) Bulgaria

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IM (1989); GM (1992); World U14 Champion (1989); Olympiad Gold Medalist (1994); FIDE World Champion (2005-06); World Championship Challenger (2010); Candidate (2011, 2014 and 2016); winner of the 2012-13 Grand Prix series.

Preamble

Veselin Aleksandrov Topalov was born in Rousse, Bulgaria. He learned chess at eight years old from his father and began a training/mentoring relationship with Silvio Danailov when he was twelve.

Youth championships

In 1989, he won the World Under-14 championship in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. In 1990 he won a silver medal in the World Under-16 Championship in Singapore.

World Championships

In the knockout tournaments for the FIDE World Chess Championship, Topalov was seeded into the second round in Groningen in 1998, and lost to Jeroen Piket. Again seeded into the second round at the championships in Las Vegas in 1999, Topalov reached the last 16 defeating Ruslan Ponomariov and Lev Psakhis before bowing out to Vladimir Kramnik. In New Delhi and Tehran in 2000, he reached the quarter-finals - again from a second round start - defeating Andrei Vasilyevich Kharlov, Kiril Dimitrov Georgiev and Aleksey Dreev before losing to Michael Adams. In 2002, he defeated Juan Facundo Pierrot, Giovanni Portilho Vescovi and Zhong Zhang before losing to Shirov. He reached the semi-finals in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004) in Tripoli, defeating Tarik Abulhul, Aleksander Petkov Delchev, Sergei Movsesian, Zdenko Kozul and Andrei Vasilyevich Kharlov in the earlier rounds before losing to eventual winner Rustam Kasimdzhanov.

He also took part in the 2002 Dortmund Candidates' tournament to determine a challenger for World Classical Champion Kramnik, but lost the finals match to Peter Leko.

On the strength of his rating, Topalov was invited to the eight-player, double round-robin FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) in San Luis, Argentina, in September–October 2005. Scoring 6½/7 in the first cycle, Topalov had virtually clinched the tournament at the halfway mark, before drawing every game in the second cycle to win by 1½ points to become FIDE World Chess Champion. The average rating of the field in the championship was 2739, and Topalov's performance rating was 2890. In 2006 he lost his title to Kramnik in the reunification Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) played in Elista, under the auspices of FIDE. By losing the reunification match, Topalov lost his chance to compete in the World Championship Tournament (2007) . Danailov expressed a desire for a rematch between Topalov and Kramnik, proposing a match in March 2007, though no such match took place. The issue was settled in June 2007 when Topalov (as well as Kramnik) was granted special privileges in the 2008-09 championship cycle. Topalov was given direct entry to a "Challenger Match" against Gata Kamsky, the winner of the World Chess Cup (2007). The Topalov - Kamsky Candidates Final (2009) (the Challenger Match) took place in February 2009 in Hall 6 of NDK Sofia. Topalov won that match 4½-2½ and qualified to play against the World Champion Viswanathan Anand for the World Chess Champion title, but he lost the Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010) by 6½-5½. Topalov automatically qualified for the World Championship Candidates (2011) for the World Chess Championship 2012, where he was the top seed. He faced 8th seeded Gata Kamsky in Kazan in Russia and lost his match 1.5-2.5 (+0 =3 -1), and was thereby eliminated from the 2012 World Championship cycle. He declined to participate in the World Cup (2011) and there was speculation about his future Championship intentions.

Late in 2012, Topalov rejoined the championship circuit from which he had been noticeably absent to take =1st alongside Boris Gelfand and Shakhriyar Mamedyarov at the 1st FIDE Grand Prix London (2012) of the 2012-2013 series, which was held in London. His score of 7/11 (+3 =8 -0; TPR 2834) netted him the 140 points to give a flying start to his 2014 World Championship campaign. A superb follow up at the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), the 3rd event in the GP series, saw him take outright 1st with 8/11 (+5 =6) with a stellar performance rating for the event of 2924. It also added 170 Grand Prix points to his tally to take him to the lead with 310 points. A poor performance at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) with 4.5/11 earned him only 45 Grand Prix points, however, his =3rd in the FIDE Grand Prix Beijing (2013) earned him enough Grand Prix points to win the Grand Prix and guarantee his qualification into the World Chess Championship Candidates (2014). (1) His official rating also qualified him to participate in the World Cup (2013) if he so chose, but instead he successfully gambled that he would qualify via the Grand Prix series. At the Candidates event that was held in March 2014 in Khanty-Mansiysk, Topalov scored a disappointing 6/14 to place 8th and last.

Topalov qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015). In the first round he defeated Oladapo Oluto Adu of Nigeria by 2-0, Sergei Zhigalko by 1.5-0.5 in round two and Lu Shanglei in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers in round three. He played Peter Svidler in the Round of Sixteen (fourth round) and lost the standard games match 0.5-1.5 to bow out of the event. However, he qualified by rating to play in the World Championship Candidates (2016).

Tournaments

Topalov first major tournament wins were Terrassa 1992 and Budapest zonal-B 1993. He played in Linares 1994 (6½/13), Linares 1995 (8/13), Amsterdam 1995, and won at Polanica Zdroj and Elenite in 1995. In March 1996, Topalov won at Amsterdam (coming =1st with Garry Kasparov), Vienna (ahead of Anatoly Karpov), Novgorod, and Dos Hermanas (1st-2nd with Kramnik). In 1996, he was invited to Las Palmas, the first category 21 tournament, where he scored 5/10, in a field including Kasparov, Anand, Kramnik and Karpov. In 1996 he also took a series of top-level tournament wins-- Madrid and Dos Hermanas in May, Novgorod in July, Vienna in August, as well as Leon - to firmly establish himself among the world's leading players. Between 1997 and 2003, Topalov continued his tournament successes, winning at Antwerp 1997, Madrid 1997, Monaco 2001, Dortmund 2001 (joint first with Kramnik), NAO Chess Masters Cannes 2002 (joint first with Gelfand), the Hotel Bali Stars (2003) at Benidorm 2003, and coming 2nd at the category 16 tournament in Bosnia in 2001. 2004 saw Topalov participate in Corus Group A (2004) and Linares (2004) (coming =4th on both occasions), and in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004). He began 2005 by climbing to third place on FIDE's world ranking list. Topalov finished 3rd behind Peter Leko and Anand at Corus 2005 and tied for first (coming second on count back) with Garry Kasparov at Linares (2005) in Kasparov’s final tournament. Two months later, he won the inaugural MTel Masters (2005) event by a full point over Viswanathan Anand the average rating of the participants was 2744, making this super-GM, double round-robin tournament the strongest in 2005. After his =2nd at Dortmund in 2005, Topalov followed up his 2005 World Championship Tournament victory (see below) with +5 and joint first (with Anand) at Corus Group A (2006) and =2nd at Morelia-Linares (2006). There followed his successful defence of MTel Masters (2006) (with 6.5/10, half a point ahead of Gata Kamsky whom he beat 2-0), Topalov started the tournament somewhat hesitantly to later record four consecutive wins and decisively claim the title.

Topalov rebounded from his world championship reunification match loss to Kramnik in 2006 to finish equal first (with Levon Aronian and Teimour Radjabov) at the category 19 Corus Group A (2007), but then a poor performance at Morelia-Linares (2007) caused him to lose his #1 spot in the world rankings to Anand. The next year, he regained the #1 position by convincingly winning the inaugural Grand Slam Chess Final (2008), scoring +4 -1 =5 in the category-22 tournament. Also in 2007, he won the Mtel Masters (2007), the Liga de Campeones (2007) (a point and a half a head of Ruslan Ponomariov), and in 2008 he won Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2008) (a point and a half ahead of Aronian). In 2009, he came 2nd with Magnus Carlsen behind Alexey Shirov in the M-Tel Masters (2009) and second behind Carlsen at the latter’s blitz at Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009). Soon after losing the world title bid in 2010, Topalov participated in the Essent Chess Tournament. He finished third of four players with only 2½ points from 6 games and a 2645 performance. He lost both games against Judit Polgar and one against Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Topalov won the Linares (2010) held from February 13 to 24 in Andalusia, Spain, defeating 2009 Chess World Cup champion Boris Gelfand in his final game. He finished 2010 with 4.5/10 at Nanjing Pearl Spring Tournament (2010). Topalov continued his unremarkable form since narrowly losing his 2010 World Championship match when in early 2012, he finished tenth at the category 21 Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 5/13 (+1 -4 =8; TPR 2672), before returning to form in the 1st Grand Prix of the 2012-13 series (see above), in the European Club Cup (2012), and with his =1st (2nd on tiebreak) at the Kings' Tournament (2012). That form, however, was less than par in the category 21 Norway Chess (2013) where he finished in the bottom half of the field with 4/9.

In August and September 2014, Topalov competed in the round robin category category 23 Sinquefield Cup (2014), where he placed outright 3rd with 5/10 behind Caruana and Carlsen respectively. In January 2015, he competed at Tradewise Gibraltar (2015) and placed =3rd behind Hikaru Nakamura and David Howell. In June 2015, Topalov had the finest result of his career since San Luis 2005 when he led the field from start to finish to win the category 23 Norway Chess (2015) event, in which most of the world's top 10 participated. Topalov's result was 6.5/9 (+5 -1 =3) for a 2946 PR, half a point ahead of Hikaru Nakamura and Anand. He also recorded both his career best live rating and official ratings as a result of this event, adding 18 rating points to his resume. At the Sinquefield Cup (2015), his score of 4.5/9 was essentially rating-neutral midfield, however his gains were undone at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he finished last with 2.5/9, shedding 23 rating points.

Olympiads

Topalov has been the leader of the Bulgarian national team since 1994 and has played top board for Bulgaria at every Olympiad in which he participated including Moscow 1994, Yerevan 1996, Elista 1998, Istanbul 2000, Dresden 2008, Khanty-Mansiysk 2010, the Chess Olympiad (2012) in Istanbul and the Chess Olympiad (2014) in Tromsø. In 1994, he led the Bulgarians to a fifth-place finish, winning the gold medal for the top board, scoring 8.5/12 (TPR 2781). He won the silver medal for the top board in 1998 and 2000, scoring 8/11 on both occasions. In 2008, he won bronze with 6.5/8 and a TPR of 2821. In 2014, he won individual gold for the top board, having scored a TPR of 2872.

Other Team Play

<National> In 1989 and 1990, Topalov played in the Bulgarian team contesting the Boys' Balkaniads competition, playing on board 2 in 1989 and board 1 in 1990, winning individual gold on both occasions, as well as a team gold in 1989 and team bronze in 1990. In 1994, he played top board for the gold medal winning Bulgarian national team in the Balkaniad team competition, and won an individual bronze. Topalov played top board for Bulgaria in the European Team Championships of 1999 (where he won individual gold), 2007, 2009 and 2011. Playing for Bulgaria, he also won individual gold for the top board at the European Team Championship (2013).

<European Club Cup (ECC)> In 1999, he played 3 games for the gold medal winning ECC team ŠK Bosna Sarajevo, winning two and drawing one. In 2012, 2013 and 2014, he played for SOCAR Baku: at the European Club Cup (2012), he played board 3, winning both individual and team gold. Topalov played board 3 for SOCAR in the European Club Cup (2013), scoring a solid 4.5/6 and winning individual and team bronze. In the European Club Cup (2014), he repeated his 2012 triumph by winning team and individual gold (this time for board 2). Playing board one at the European Club Cup (2015), Topalov won individual and team silver.

Matches

Topalov won the Topalov - Nisipeanu Match (2006) by 3-1 (+2 =2 -0) in April 2006, the Blind Chess World Duel (2006) against Polgar by 3.5-2.5, and the Topalov - Laznicka Match (2013) by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2).

Rapid

Topalov won the Dos Hermanas XIV (2008) , 17–21 April 2008, defeating Francisco Vallejo Pons (Spain) 2½–1½ in the final match by winning the first game and drawing the rest. He also won the Villarrobledo International Rapid Open (2008) with a commanding 8/9.

Ratings and rankings

<Classical> After Kasparov's retirement, Topalov topped the FIDE World Rating List from April 2006 to January 2007, during which time his Elo rating peaked at 2813, a level that had been surpassed only by Garry Kasparov, and subsequently by Anand, Carlsen, Aronian and Caruana. He regained the world #1 ranking again in October 2008, and officially remained #1 until January 2010, when he fell to #2 behind Carlsen. He has been ranked number one a total of 27 months in his career, the fifth all-time high since the inception of the FIDE ranking lists in 1971 behind only Garry Kasparov, Anatoly Karpov, Robert James Fischer and most recently Carlsen.

After his unsuccessful challenge for the world title in 2010, his form declined such that by 1 October 2012, Topalov's rating was 2751, his lowest rating since July 2004 and his ranking to number 13 in the world, his lowest ranking since January 1995. However his return to form in September and October 2012 (see above) saw him return to the top 10, while his successful campaign in the Zug leg of the 2012-13 Grand Prix series saw him leap back to #4 in the world ratings. In 2015, Topalov's win at the annual Norway Chess tournament improved even his stocks even further when he reached his highest live rating to date, 2821.2, while his highest official rating to date was 2816 on 1 July 2015, sharing the world #2 spot with Anand.

Other

Topalov won the 2005 Chess Oscar. Although he now lives in Spain, Topalov still plays for Bulgaria and has enjoyed several athletic honors from his native country, including the Sportsman of the Year award for 2005. He is renowned for his aggressive style which is exemplified in his trademark and much-feared exchange sacrifice that he has employed with great effect at all levels of play. He and his partner have a daughter, Laura, who was born on 28 August 2013.

Sources and references:

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012%E2%80%932013; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Topalov; Wikipedia article: World Chess Championship 2012

Last updated: 2020-02-14 01:44:38

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Topalov vs D Marholev 1-0211986TournamentC64 Ruy Lopez, Classical
2. Lizbov vs Topalov 0-1291988MoskauB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
3. Topalov vs V Lukov 0-1271988SofiaA61 Benoni
4. Topalov vs G Minchev 0-1541988SofiaB57 Sicilian
5. Topalov vs E Meduna  ½-½211988Forli OpenD18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
6. S de Eccher vs Topalov 0-1671988Forli OpenA25 English
7. Topalov vs R Mantovani 1-0591988Forli OpenE12 Queen's Indian
8. Topalov vs F Braga ½-½141988Forli OpenD18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
9. C Garcia Palermo vs Topalov ½-½371988Forli OpenA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
10. A Strikovic vs Topalov 0-1311988Forli OpenB22 Sicilian, Alapin
11. Topalov vs Granda Zuniga 0-1461988Forli OpenA78 Benoni, Classical with ...Re8 and ...Na6
12. P Votruba vs Topalov ½-½661988Forli OpenA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
13. Topalov vs E Gonsior ½-½111988Forli OpenD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
14. G Minchev vs Topalov 1-0471989SofiaA46 Queen's Pawn Game
15. D Donchev vs Topalov 1-0191989Bulgarian ChampionshipC04 French, Tarrasch, Guimard Main line
16. Topalov vs K Ninov  ½-½461989Bulgarian ChampionshipD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
17. S Danailov vs Topalov 0-1381989Bulgarian ChampionshipA40 Queen's Pawn Game
18. Topalov vs K Georgiev  0-1501989Bulgarian ChampionshipE12 Queen's Indian
19. V Lukov vs Topalov  ½-½261989Bulgarian ChampionshipA53 Old Indian
20. E Ermenkov vs Topalov  ½-½131989Bulgarian ChampionshipC04 French, Tarrasch, Guimard Main line
21. Topalov vs V Dimitrov  ½-½301989Bulgarian ChampionshipE94 King's Indian, Orthodox
22. Topalov vs S Simeonov 1-0461989Bulgarian ChampionshipA61 Benoni
23. P Popov vs Topalov  0-1491989Bulgarian ChampionshipA54 Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4.Nf3
24. Topalov vs E Janev  1-0451989Bulgarian ChampionshipD80 Grunfeld
25. Topalov vs K Georgiev  ½-½451989Bulgarian ChampionshipE97 King's Indian
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Oct-01-07  Softpaw: <chessmoron: I would if his opponent is "Chucky.">

Even then I wouldn't rule out Topalov. Anything can happen.

Oct-01-07  KamikazeAttack: < Softpaw: <KamikazeAttack: He was a one-hit wonder who inexplicably hit good form and order in chess has been restored.> I wouldn't rule out a Topalov comeback in his "Challenger's Match" against the World Cup winner, would you? >

My Topa rant was tongue-in-cheek.

Oct-01-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  plang: <You'll notice that the July 1996 Rating List had an additional criterion: having a rating divisible by 5. That's why Ivanchuk (2747) and many other players were left off entirely. FIDE has done some strange things...> All ratings were rounded to the nearest 5. Ivanchuk was in the top 10 in July 1996 but not the top 10.
Oct-04-07  KamikazeAttack: Ok, I rant on Topa and Danailov.

But I miss them now. They are too quiet. Are they worried about the probation ... that 1 year probation?

I want to know their views on Mexico and way forward.

I remember both saying Kramnik would not play in Mexico and they therefore expectede him to be stripped. And even if he played he won't win because he is a +2 guy. Topa and Danailov were right.

I want to hear about how elated Topa is now that Kramnik has lost his title.

Poor Danailov, all that limelight seem to be a distant memory now lol.

Oct-05-07  acirce: Here is Jeremy Silman's review of Topalov-Ginchev's book about the match.

http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_re...

Oct-06-07  you vs yourself: Topalov on what it takes to succeed in chess: <You learn to be patient, disciplined, responsible, and know how to loose without blaming anyone else, to take logical decisionsÉ and, of course, to think before you act, like that fellow countryman of Ruse taught me when I was eight years old.> http://www.ajedrezbilbao.com/ingles...

Oct-06-07  KamikazeAttack: IMPORTANT ANNOUCEMENT!!!

Next Saturday October 13, will be the first anniversary of something very special for all Kramnikites.

Amongst many other events, there will be a festive shindig to commemorate this day.

A warm invitation is heartily extended to all Topalovites from all and afar … including those who have crawled under the rock ever since this great day:)

Rice.Stew.Very.Plenty
K.A

Oct-06-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: From <acirce>'s link:

<It becomes clear that Topalov considers Ponamariov and the other FIDE champions to be real World Champions, and not just Championship hopefuls who earned nice victories in tournaments where victories in blitz chess were critical in the final results. Somehow, it never occurs to Topalov that Kramnik wanted the World Championship to mean something again, and not be passed from one player to another based on a single tournament result. This is why I don't consider Ponamariov or any of the other FIDE champions to be real World Champions. In fact, I never considered Topalov to be World Champion either since he didn't beat the real Champion, Kramnik, in a match. Using that same stance, I can't fully accept Anand (a man I am very fond of, both as a true gentleman and player) as the 15th Champion either, until he beats Kramnik (the 14th World Champion) in their upcoming match. Here I feel as if I'm a single voice in the wilderness since the world has fully embraced Anand as the undisputed World Champion.>

Jeremy Silman

Oct-06-07  barbababa: I don't understand Ponomariov's behavior earlier when FIDE, Ponomariov, Kasparov, Leko and Kramnik were negotiating about the unification of the chess WC title. I think <chancho> said earlier somewhere that Anand is in a win win situation (sorry if I remember wrongly). Ponomariov's situation was also a win win, but for some strange reason he decided not to use it. FIDE agreed to give "Classical" World Champion Kramnik draw odds against Leko, but decided that their own "FIDE World Chess Champion" Ponomariov does not deserve draw odds against previous "Classical" World Champion Kasparov. I understand that Ponomariov might have been pissed off because FIDE at the same time tried to pretend that their championship is the real championship and then indirectly admitted that their champion is not worth more than ex "Classical" World Champion.

However, if I would have been Ponomariov, I would have accepted the match with any rules, even if Ponomariov would have to win all of the games. Ponomariov only had the FIDE Championship and he would have lost it next year almost certainly in the next FIDE World Championship lottery anyway. It was his best chance to use the title and make good money, even if (when) he would have lost he would have gotten more money than he could make in the next ten years (whole life?). At that time the rating difference between Ponomariov and Kasparov was so big that the expected score in a 16 game match would have been +7 to Kasparov. It would have been a miracle if there would have been any need for draw odds.

Oct-06-07  barbababa: Add to my previous post. In my opinion it was also very strange beghavior from Kasparov's part, he was also in a win win situation.
Oct-06-07  gregorivus: Mr. Silman shouldn't feel so alone and sad, he should try to dry his tears and remember that during Kramnik fabulous reign, there were some rare, minor voices claiming that the later wasn't a real champion.

And that in spite of Kramnik being one of the most impressing and dominant champions in the history of chess. In spite of Kramnik appalling victories tournament after tournament.

And yet there were abominable, sickly obstinate people that raised their small, tiny, almost ridicule voices, just like Mr. Silman, suggesting that Kramnik was never a real champion! How unbelievable. To think that a player so impressing and dominant as Kramnik wasn't the real champion!

But no, they were saying that Kramnik wasn't the champion (probably with the intention of changing the cruel reality), criticized what they saw as modest mediocre performance for a champion, and said that he was as boring as watching paint dry, which is a exaggeration of course, for Kramnik rarely draws.

Oct-06-07  barbababa: <gregorivus> Hahaha, you are almost as bitter as <slomarko>. World Champion has to win the title from the previous WC in a match, he doesn't need to win anything else. Maybe some kind of lack of imagination (probably just stupidity) if you can only see WCs who at the same time win every tournament. What happens in your opinion in periods when none of the players are clearly dominant (probably most of the time)? No WCs?
Oct-06-07  gregorivus: <World Champion has to win the title from the previous WC in a match> Oh yes, that's my view too.

I simply can't believe how there are people that thought that Kramnik wasn't a real champion just because, according to them, he is a "boring drawmaster", barely able to win one or two tournaments, coward and passive as no player before (I remember some awful individual said that).

But then again, in my humble opinion Kramnik should be champion forever. Wouldn't be great? The best part is that if FIDE keeps giving him free shots to championship matches that could be true!

Oct-06-07  barbababa: <gregorivus> <Wouldn't be great?> No.

Will you now answer my questions?

Oct-06-07  GrandPatzerSCL: I'd give Krammy all the props in the world to accept a WC match in Sofia. Guts, people. Might even get to Vesspo's head a bit.
Oct-08-07  KamikazeAttack: <gregorivus: Mr. Silman shouldn't feel so alone and sad, he should try to dry his tears and remember that during Kramnik fabulous reign, there were some rare, minor voices claiming that the later wasn't a real champion. And that in spite of Kramnik being one of the most impressing and dominant champions in the history of chess. In spite of Kramnik appalling victories tournament after tournament.

And yet there were abominable, sickly obstinate people that raised their small, tiny, almost ridicule voices, just like Mr. Silman, suggesting that Kramnik was never a real champion! How unbelievable. To think that a player so impressing and dominant as Kramnik wasn't the real champion!

But no, they were saying that Kramnik wasn't the champion (probably with the intention of changing the cruel reality), criticized what they saw as modest mediocre performance for a champion, and said that he was as boring as watching paint dry, which is a exaggeration of course, for Kramnik rarely draws. >

Am I the only one who feels this dude is a 'tard?

Oct-08-07  parisattack: HeHeHe. I don't but thinking gregorivus may have missed his calling as a writer for Mort Sahl or some other satirist...K3 great chessplayer but neither his personality nor his chess do much to endear him to us 2000 ELO pilgrims. And, no, I doubt if I had a 2800 rating I'd give a rat's bottom what others thought, either.
Oct-09-07  Petrosianic: <I want to hear about how elated Topa is now that Kramnik has lost his title.>

How elated is not at all.

As they made very clear last year, what Topalov and Danailov care about is money. Moolah. Pesos. Dinero. Scratch. The smell of the rain-washed florin! The lure of the Lira! The glitter and the glory of the Guinea! The romance of the Ruble! The feel of the Franc! The heel of the Deutschmark! The cold, antiseptic sting of the Swiss Franc! And the sunburned splendour of the Australian Dollar!

Run the numbers. If Kramnik had won, they'd be in a match with him next year for a guaranteed $1,000,000 prize fund. With Kramnik losing, they're in a match with the World Cup winner for a guaranteed $150,000 prize fund.

They're not happy.

Oct-09-07  KamikazeAttack: <As they made very clear last year, what Topalov and Danailov care about is money. Moolah. Pesos. Dinero. Scratch. The smell of the rain-washed florin! The lure of the Lira! The glitter and the glory of the Guinea! The romance of the Ruble! The feel of the Franc! The heel of the Deutschmark! The cold, antiseptic sting of the Swiss Franc! And the sunburned splendour of the Australian Dollar!>

Danailov must have cried when Kram lost his title.

He reckoned his immoral stunt in Elista was great marketing for chess.

Oct-09-07  HoLySmOkE: Stun or no stun Kramnik will never play a match with the psychological advantage on his side again.
Oct-09-07  yalie: I dont think Kramnik would have played Topalov if he had won in Mexico city. His manager has gone on record calling for a mass boycott against Topalov's seeding. Remember, Kramnik was not committed to playing Topalov since FIDE's deal with Topalov post-dates his agreeing to play in Mexico.

Danailov knows that. That is why Danailov is hoping Anand beats Kramnik.

Oct-09-07  Softpaw: <yalie: I dont think Kramnik would have played Topalov if he had won in Mexico city.>

That's pure speculation. Kramnik is on record saying he would play Topalov.

Kramnik was committed to the FIDE unification process. Refusing to play Topalov could have led to his being stripped of his title (assuming he won in Mexico) and all kinds of other headaches. Besides, Kramnik would have had no good reason to fear losing to Topalov! It would be a much easier match for him than the coming match with Anand. Thus, all things considered, there is NO evidence or rationale for thinking that Kramnik would refuse to play Topalov.

Of course, Kramnik-bashers have never felt restrained by facts or logic and prefer baseless speculation and unprovable allegations.

Nothing new.

Oct-10-07  yalie: <Softpaw: <yalie: I dont think Kramnik would have played Topalov if he had won in Mexico city.> That's pure speculation. Kramnik is on record saying he would play Topalov. >

huh!

you are the one who provided the link to Hensel's interview on the Anand page. Hensel, who is Kramnik's manager has this to say:

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

<QUESTION: FIDE has also integrated Topalov in the new cycle. He receives the right, without qualification, to immediately play against Kramnik or to play a Candidates Final against the winner of the World Cup. What do you think of that?

HENSEL: For Kramnik the decision is not relevant. In any case he will play Mexico City and then a world championship match in 2008. Who his opponent will be in this match is not critical.

However, the privilege that Topalov is getting, to play against the winner of the World Cup or to immediately challenge Kramnik in a world championship match, must be of concern to the other top players.

I expect all top grandmasters, including Peter Leko, to protest against this special privilege. Possibly the world chess federation is risking a boycott of the World Cup. This must not be allowed to happen.>

Remember that Kramnik is not a party to FIDE's deal with Topalov at all. He committed to only play in Mexico City and FIDE granted him a rematch if he couldnt win in Mexico City. Topalov was included in the cycle post-contract, as far as Kramnik is concerned.

That is also why Leko(who has the same manager as Kramnik) is not playing in the World Cup. His manager did call for a mass boycott to protest Topalov's seeding. Given these sentiments and lack of a binding contract, why do you think Kramnik would have played against Topalov?

Oct-10-07  Softpaw: <yalie: you are the one who provided the link to Hensel's interview on the Anand page. Hensel, who is Kramnik's manager has this to say>

Yes, I posted that link.

Did you read it?

It says who Kramnik's opponent is "is not critical". I.e., it doesn't matter to Kramnik or his manager-- Anand or Topalov. Either one is fine. He says Topalov's special priveleges should be the concern of "other top players" -- ie. NOT to Kramnik.

So that statement completely supports what I said. Hensel is saying playing Topalov would not be a concern of Kramnik's.

Elsewhere Kramnik has stated he would play Topalov.

<Remember that Kramnik is not a party to FIDE's deal with Topalov at all.>

So what? More important is the fact that Kramnik and his management are completely committed to the FIDE unification process-- to the point that they were willling to have Kramnik play in Mexico and risk losing his title in unfavorable tournament conditions, which he did. If Kramnik was willing to do THAT, why would he have balked at playing Topalov? Makes no sense.

In any case, it's pure speculation on your part, with no way of proving it.

If you wish to believe Kramnik would have thrown away his title, destroyed the long-negotiated unification process, seriously harmed his reputation and harmed immediate financial prospects, all to avoid playing Topalov, a player he just defeated and had no reason to fear-- then, well, that's your right. There's no law against irrational, unremitting Kramnik-bashing.

Oct-10-07  yalie: <Elsewhere Kramnik has stated he would play Topalov.>

can you provide a link?

<If you wish to believe Kramnik would have thrown away his title, destroyed the long-negotiated unification process, seriously harmed his reputation and harmed immediate financial prospects, all to avoid playing Topalov, a player he just defeated and had no reason to fear-- then, well, that's your right. There's no law against irrational, unremitting Kramnik-bashing.>

First, why do you think this is Kramnik bashing? I am saying he would avoid Topalov if he could NOT bcos he is AFRAID, but bcos of the shenanigans of Danailov. C'mon Kramnik managed to avoid Kasparov for far less - why should he face Topalov again?

<More important is the fact that Kramnik and his management are completely committed to the FIDE unification process-- to the point that they were willling to have Kramnik play in Mexico and risk losing his title in unfavorable tournament conditions, which he did. If Kramnik was willing to do THAT, why would he have balked at playing Topalov?>

Kramnik agreed to play in Mexico as a pre-condition to a match with Topalov - not bcos he was committed to unification. Playing Topalov again was not a pre-condition and Kramnik is not bound by it. He has played in Mexico and fulfilled his end of the bargain. He gets the rematch with Anand bcos he couldnt win in Mexico. If he had won in Mexico, why should he care about Topalov? - who he certainly had not agreed to face. He doesnt have to prove anything to anybody - he has already beaten Topalov.

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