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Veselin Topalov
Topalov 
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Number of games in database: 2,490
Years covered: 1986 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2717 (2618 rapid, 2657 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +536 -283 =730 (58.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 941 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (220) 
    B90 B33 B48 B80 B30
 Ruy Lopez (167) 
    C84 C78 C65 C67 C92
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (77) 
    C84 C92 C95 C90 C97
 King's Indian (74) 
    E92 E94 E60 E97 E91
 Queen's Gambit Declined (70) 
    D37 D38 D39 D31 D35
 Slav (68) 
    D12 D17 D15 D18 D11
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (308) 
    B90 B51 B30 B33 B80
 Ruy Lopez (105) 
    C67 C65 C78 C84 C90
 Sicilian Najdorf (99) 
    B90 B92 B91 B93 B97
 Queen's Pawn Game (89) 
    E10 A46 D02 E00 A40
 King's Indian (85) 
    E92 E97 E94 E81 E67
 Modern Benoni (57) 
    A57 A70 A58 A62 A56
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Topalov vs Aronian, 2006 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2008 1-0
   Topalov vs Anand, 2005 1-0
   Anand vs Topalov, 2005 1/2-1/2
   Topalov vs Ponomariov, 2005 1-0
   Kharlov vs Topalov, 2004 0-1
   Topalov vs Kasparov, 1996 1-0
   Kramnik vs Topalov, 2005 0-1
   Topalov vs Bareev, 2002 1-0
   Topalov vs Kamsky, 2006 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Vrnjacka Banja (1991)
   Aviles Open (1992)
   Euwe Memorial (1996)
   Dortmund Candidates (2002)
   Corus Group A (2006)
   Bulgarian Championship (1989)
   Wch U16 (1990)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (1999)
   Linares (1995)
   Gibraltar Masters (2015)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   Gibraltar Masters (2017)
   Moscow Olympiad (1994)
   Dresden Olympiad (2008)
   Istanbul Olympiad (2012)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   T Tops Distract Fredthebear by fredthebear
   Match Topalov! by amadeus
   Match Topalov! by docjan
   Exchange sacs - 1 by Baby Hawk
   Exchange sacs - 1 by obrit
   Exchange sacs - 1 by pacercina
   Power Chess - Topalov by Anatoly21
   Topalov! by larrewl
   Topalov great games by Topzilla
   Classic Topalov by amadeus
   Topalov and the two bishops by OJC

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   Topalov vs Vachier-Lagrave (Apr-30-25) 0-1, blitz
   Topalov vs Aronian (Apr-30-25) 0-1, blitz

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VESELIN TOPALOV
(born Mar-15-1975, 50 years old) Bulgaria

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IM (1989); GM (1992); World U14 Champion (1989); Olympiad Gold Medalist (1994); FIDE World Champion (2005-06); World Championship Challenger (2010); Candidate (2011, 2014 and 2016); winner of the 2012-13 Grand Prix series.

Preamble

Veselin Aleksandrov Topalov was born in Rousse, Bulgaria. He learned chess at eight years old from his father and began a training/mentoring relationship with Silvio Danailov when he was twelve.

Youth championships

In 1989, he won the World Under-14 championship in Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. In 1990 he won a silver medal in the World Under-16 Championship in Singapore.

World Championships

In the knockout tournaments for the FIDE World Chess Championship, Topalov was seeded into the second round in Groningen in 1998, and lost to Jeroen Piket. Again seeded into the second round at the championships in Las Vegas in 1999, Topalov reached the last 16 defeating Ruslan Ponomariov and Lev Psakhis before bowing out to Vladimir Kramnik. In New Delhi and Tehran in 2000, he reached the quarter-finals - again from a second round start - defeating Andrei Vasilyevich Kharlov, Kiril Dimitrov Georgiev and Aleksey Dreev before losing to Michael Adams. In 2002, he defeated Juan Facundo Pierrot, Giovanni Portilho Vescovi and Zhong Zhang before losing to Shirov. He reached the semi-finals in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004) in Tripoli, defeating Tarik Abulhul, Aleksander Petkov Delchev, Sergei Movsesian, Zdenko Kozul and Andrei Vasilyevich Kharlov in the earlier rounds before losing to eventual winner Rustam Kasimdzhanov.

He also took part in the 2002 Dortmund Candidates' tournament to determine a challenger for World Classical Champion Kramnik, but lost the finals match to Peter Leko.

On the strength of his rating, Topalov was invited to the eight-player, double round-robin FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) in San Luis, Argentina, in September–October 2005. Scoring 6½/7 in the first cycle, Topalov had virtually clinched the tournament at the halfway mark, before drawing every game in the second cycle to win by 1½ points to become FIDE World Chess Champion. The average rating of the field in the championship was 2739, and Topalov's performance rating was 2890. In 2006 he lost his title to Kramnik in the reunification Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) played in Elista, under the auspices of FIDE. By losing the reunification match, Topalov lost his chance to compete in the World Championship Tournament (2007) . Danailov expressed a desire for a rematch between Topalov and Kramnik, proposing a match in March 2007, though no such match took place. The issue was settled in June 2007 when Topalov (as well as Kramnik) was granted special privileges in the 2008-09 championship cycle. Topalov was given direct entry to a "Challenger Match" against Gata Kamsky, the winner of the World Chess Cup (2007). The Topalov - Kamsky Candidates Final (2009) (the Challenger Match) took place in February 2009 in Hall 6 of NDK Sofia. Topalov won that match 4½-2½ and qualified to play against the World Champion Viswanathan Anand for the World Chess Champion title, but he lost the Anand - Topalov World Championship Match (2010) by 6½-5½. Topalov automatically qualified for the World Championship Candidates (2011) for the World Chess Championship 2012, where he was the top seed. He faced 8th seeded Gata Kamsky in Kazan in Russia and lost his match 1.5-2.5 (+0 =3 -1), and was thereby eliminated from the 2012 World Championship cycle. He declined to participate in the World Cup (2011) and there was speculation about his future Championship intentions.

Late in 2012, Topalov rejoined the championship circuit from which he had been noticeably absent to take =1st alongside Boris Gelfand and Shakhriyar Mamedyarov at the 1st FIDE Grand Prix London (2012) of the 2012-2013 series, which was held in London. His score of 7/11 (+3 =8 -0; TPR 2834) netted him the 140 points to give a flying start to his 2014 World Championship campaign. A superb follow up at the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), the 3rd event in the GP series, saw him take outright 1st with 8/11 (+5 =6) with a stellar performance rating for the event of 2924. It also added 170 Grand Prix points to his tally to take him to the lead with 310 points. A poor performance at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) with 4.5/11 earned him only 45 Grand Prix points, however, his =3rd in the FIDE Grand Prix Beijing (2013) earned him enough Grand Prix points to win the Grand Prix and guarantee his qualification into the World Chess Championship Candidates (2014). (1) His official rating also qualified him to participate in the World Cup (2013) if he so chose, but instead he successfully gambled that he would qualify via the Grand Prix series. At the Candidates event that was held in March 2014 in Khanty-Mansiysk, Topalov scored a disappointing 6/14 to place 8th and last.

Topalov qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015). In the first round he defeated Oladapo Oluto Adu of Nigeria by 2-0, Sergei Zhigalko by 1.5-0.5 in round two and Lu Shanglei in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers in round three. He played Peter Svidler in the Round of Sixteen (fourth round) and lost the standard games match 0.5-1.5 to bow out of the event. However, he qualified by rating to play in the World Championship Candidates (2016).

Tournaments

Topalov first major tournament wins were Terrassa 1992 and Budapest zonal-B 1993. He played in Linares 1994 (6½/13), Linares 1995 (8/13), Amsterdam 1995, and won at Polanica Zdroj and Elenite in 1995. In March 1996, Topalov won at Amsterdam (coming =1st with Garry Kasparov), Vienna (ahead of Anatoly Karpov), Novgorod, and Dos Hermanas (1st-2nd with Kramnik). In 1996, he was invited to Las Palmas, the first category 21 tournament, where he scored 5/10, in a field including Kasparov, Anand, Kramnik and Karpov. In 1996 he also took a series of top-level tournament wins-- Madrid and Dos Hermanas in May, Novgorod in July, Vienna in August, as well as Leon - to firmly establish himself among the world's leading players. Between 1997 and 2003, Topalov continued his tournament successes, winning at Antwerp 1997, Madrid 1997, Monaco 2001, Dortmund 2001 (joint first with Kramnik), NAO Chess Masters Cannes 2002 (joint first with Gelfand), the Hotel Bali Stars (2003) at Benidorm 2003, and coming 2nd at the category 16 tournament in Bosnia in 2001. 2004 saw Topalov participate in Corus Group A (2004) and Linares (2004) (coming =4th on both occasions), and in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004). He began 2005 by climbing to third place on FIDE's world ranking list. Topalov finished 3rd behind Peter Leko and Anand at Corus 2005 and tied for first (coming second on count back) with Garry Kasparov at Linares (2005) in Kasparov’s final tournament. Two months later, he won the inaugural MTel Masters (2005) event by a full point over Viswanathan Anand the average rating of the participants was 2744, making this super-GM, double round-robin tournament the strongest in 2005. After his =2nd at Dortmund in 2005, Topalov followed up his 2005 World Championship Tournament victory (see below) with +5 and joint first (with Anand) at Corus Group A (2006) and =2nd at Morelia-Linares (2006). There followed his successful defence of MTel Masters (2006) (with 6.5/10, half a point ahead of Gata Kamsky whom he beat 2-0), Topalov started the tournament somewhat hesitantly to later record four consecutive wins and decisively claim the title.

Topalov rebounded from his world championship reunification match loss to Kramnik in 2006 to finish equal first (with Levon Aronian and Teimour Radjabov) at the category 19 Corus Group A (2007), but then a poor performance at Morelia-Linares (2007) caused him to lose his #1 spot in the world rankings to Anand. The next year, he regained the #1 position by convincingly winning the inaugural Grand Slam Chess Final (2008), scoring +4 -1 =5 in the category-22 tournament. Also in 2007, he won the Mtel Masters (2007), the Liga de Campeones (2007) (a point and a half a head of Ruslan Ponomariov), and in 2008 he won Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2008) (a point and a half ahead of Aronian). In 2009, he came 2nd with Magnus Carlsen behind Alexey Shirov in the M-Tel Masters (2009) and second behind Carlsen at the latter’s blitz at Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009). Soon after losing the world title bid in 2010, Topalov participated in the Essent Chess Tournament. He finished third of four players with only 2½ points from 6 games and a 2645 performance. He lost both games against Judit Polgar and one against Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Topalov won the Linares (2010) held from February 13 to 24 in Andalusia, Spain, defeating 2009 Chess World Cup champion Boris Gelfand in his final game. He finished 2010 with 4.5/10 at Nanjing Pearl Spring Tournament (2010). Topalov continued his unremarkable form since narrowly losing his 2010 World Championship match when in early 2012, he finished tenth at the category 21 Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 5/13 (+1 -4 =8; TPR 2672), before returning to form in the 1st Grand Prix of the 2012-13 series (see above), in the European Club Cup (2012), and with his =1st (2nd on tiebreak) at the Kings' Tournament (2012). That form, however, was less than par in the category 21 Norway Chess (2013) where he finished in the bottom half of the field with 4/9.

In August and September 2014, Topalov competed in the round robin category category 23 Sinquefield Cup (2014), where he placed outright 3rd with 5/10 behind Caruana and Carlsen respectively. In January 2015, he competed at Tradewise Gibraltar (2015) and placed =3rd behind Hikaru Nakamura and David Howell. In June 2015, Topalov had the finest result of his career since San Luis 2005 when he led the field from start to finish to win the category 23 Norway Chess (2015) event, in which most of the world's top 10 participated. Topalov's result was 6.5/9 (+5 -1 =3) for a 2946 PR, half a point ahead of Hikaru Nakamura and Anand. He also recorded both his career best live rating and official ratings as a result of this event, adding 18 rating points to his resume. At the Sinquefield Cup (2015), his score of 4.5/9 was essentially rating-neutral midfield, however his gains were undone at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he finished last with 2.5/9, shedding 23 rating points.

Olympiads

Topalov has been the leader of the Bulgarian national team since 1994 and has played top board for Bulgaria at every Olympiad in which he participated including Moscow 1994, Yerevan 1996, Elista 1998, Istanbul 2000, Dresden 2008, Khanty-Mansiysk 2010, the Chess Olympiad (2012) in Istanbul and the Chess Olympiad (2014) in Tromsø. In 1994, he led the Bulgarians to a fifth-place finish, winning the gold medal for the top board, scoring 8.5/12 (TPR 2781). He won the silver medal for the top board in 1998 and 2000, scoring 8/11 on both occasions. In 2008, he won bronze with 6.5/8 and a TPR of 2821. In 2014, he won individual gold for the top board, having scored a TPR of 2872.

Other Team Play

<National> In 1989 and 1990, Topalov played in the Bulgarian team contesting the Boys' Balkaniads competition, playing on board 2 in 1989 and board 1 in 1990, winning individual gold on both occasions, as well as a team gold in 1989 and team bronze in 1990. In 1994, he played top board for the gold medal winning Bulgarian national team in the Balkaniad team competition, and won an individual bronze. Topalov played top board for Bulgaria in the European Team Championships of 1999 (where he won individual gold), 2007, 2009 and 2011. Playing for Bulgaria, he also won individual gold for the top board at the European Team Championship (2013).

<European Club Cup (ECC)> In 1999, he played 3 games for the gold medal winning ECC team ŠK Bosna Sarajevo, winning two and drawing one. In 2012, 2013 and 2014, he played for SOCAR Baku: at the European Club Cup (2012), he played board 3, winning both individual and team gold. Topalov played board 3 for SOCAR in the European Club Cup (2013), scoring a solid 4.5/6 and winning individual and team bronze. In the European Club Cup (2014), he repeated his 2012 triumph by winning team and individual gold (this time for board 2). Playing board one at the European Club Cup (2015), Topalov won individual and team silver.

Matches

Topalov won the Topalov - Nisipeanu Match (2006) by 3-1 (+2 =2 -0) in April 2006, the Blind Chess World Duel (2006) against Polgar by 3.5-2.5, and the Topalov - Laznicka Match (2013) by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2).

Rapid

Topalov won the Dos Hermanas XIV (2008) , 17–21 April 2008, defeating Francisco Vallejo Pons (Spain) 2½–1½ in the final match by winning the first game and drawing the rest. He also won the Villarrobledo International Rapid Open (2008) with a commanding 8/9.

Ratings and rankings

<Classical> After Kasparov's retirement, Topalov topped the FIDE World Rating List from April 2006 to January 2007, during which time his Elo rating peaked at 2813, a level that had been surpassed only by Garry Kasparov, and subsequently by Anand, Carlsen, Aronian and Caruana. He regained the world #1 ranking again in October 2008, and officially remained #1 until January 2010, when he fell to #2 behind Carlsen. He has been ranked number one a total of 27 months in his career, the fifth all-time high since the inception of the FIDE ranking lists in 1971 behind only Garry Kasparov, Anatoly Karpov, Robert James Fischer and most recently Carlsen.

After his unsuccessful challenge for the world title in 2010, his form declined such that by 1 October 2012, Topalov's rating was 2751, his lowest rating since July 2004 and his ranking to number 13 in the world, his lowest ranking since January 1995. However his return to form in September and October 2012 (see above) saw him return to the top 10, while his successful campaign in the Zug leg of the 2012-13 Grand Prix series saw him leap back to #4 in the world ratings. In 2015, Topalov's win at the annual Norway Chess tournament improved even his stocks even further when he reached his highest live rating to date, 2821.2, while his highest official rating to date was 2816 on 1 July 2015, sharing the world #2 spot with Anand.

Other

Topalov won the 2005 Chess Oscar. Although he now lives in Spain, Topalov still plays for Bulgaria and has enjoyed several athletic honors from his native country, including the Sportsman of the Year award for 2005. He is renowned for his aggressive style which is exemplified in his trademark and much-feared exchange sacrifice that he has employed with great effect at all levels of play. He and his partner have a daughter, Laura, who was born on 28 August 2013.

Sources and references:

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012%E2%80%932013; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Topalov; Wikipedia article: World Chess Championship 2012

Last updated: 2020-02-14 01:44:38

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Topalov vs D Marholev 1-0211986TournamentC64 Ruy Lopez, Classical
2. Topalov vs G Minchev 0-1541988SofiaB57 Sicilian
3. Topalov vs V Lukov 0-1271988SofiaA61 Benoni
4. Lizbov vs Topalov 0-1291988MoskauB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
5. Topalov vs E Meduna  ½-½211988Forli OpenD18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
6. S de Eccher vs Topalov 0-1671988Forli OpenA25 English
7. Topalov vs R Mantovani 1-0591988Forli OpenE12 Queen's Indian
8. Topalov vs F Braga ½-½141988Forli OpenD18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
9. C Garcia Palermo vs Topalov ½-½371988Forli OpenA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
10. A Strikovic vs Topalov 0-1311988Forli OpenB22 Sicilian, Alapin
11. Topalov vs Granda Zuniga 0-1461988Forli OpenA78 Benoni, Classical with ...Re8 and ...Na6
12. P Votruba vs Topalov ½-½661988Forli OpenA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
13. Topalov vs E Gonsior ½-½111988Forli OpenD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
14. G Minchev vs Topalov 1-0471989SofiaA46 Queen's Pawn Game
15. D Donchev vs Topalov 1-0191989Bulgarian ChampionshipC04 French, Tarrasch, Guimard Main line
16. S Danailov vs Topalov 0-1381989Bulgarian ChampionshipA40 Queen's Pawn Game
17. Topalov vs K Georgiev  ½-½451989Bulgarian ChampionshipE97 King's Indian
18. Topalov vs E Janev  1-0451989Bulgarian ChampionshipD80 Grunfeld
19. Topalov vs K Ninov  ½-½461989Bulgarian ChampionshipD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
20. Topalov vs K Georgiev  0-1501989Bulgarian ChampionshipE12 Queen's Indian
21. V Lukov vs Topalov  ½-½261989Bulgarian ChampionshipA53 Old Indian
22. Topalov vs S Simeonov 1-0461989Bulgarian ChampionshipA61 Benoni
23. E Ermenkov vs Topalov  ½-½131989Bulgarian ChampionshipC04 French, Tarrasch, Guimard Main line
24. Topalov vs V Dimitrov  ½-½301989Bulgarian ChampionshipE94 King's Indian, Orthodox
25. P Popov vs Topalov  0-1491989Bulgarian ChampionshipA54 Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4.Nf3
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Sep-30-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  chancho: I get the feeling that Topa will be on Topa the World when San Luis finishes.
Sep-30-05  SnoopDogg: Topalov is playing chess better than anyone in the world right now.

Yet what I don't like are these "banwagon" fans. Its okay to jump on the banwagon but then to jump off, jump back on, jump off, then jump back on again is what I don't like.

What I mean is whenever Topalov does poorly or draws, blunders or whatever, Topalov fans switch to Topalov bashers.

At playchess.com today I saw 3 Topalov fans go "hahahahaa" "LOL" "1-0!!!! yay!!!!!" "Morozevich go go go!!" after the transmission error Bf6.

The same people after move Qh2+ were going why doesn't Morozevich resign? "Topalov is my favorite player, in a match I think Kasparov would be getting a run for his money."

It is kinda funny, yet mostly annoying at the same time.

I have to admit Vishy has better fans than Topalov does. At least when The Vish does poorly they don't make excuses or pretend they never liked him, they suck it up and wait til the next game.

For me though, I am a fan of good chess.

Oct-01-05  aw1988: Frankly, I'm a bandwagon person. However, I'd classify that more as a realist, for example Kramnik's MTel play really didn't give me high hopes for him...
Oct-01-05  roni.chessman: Topalov is very very good. But my sentiments are on Anand for some reason. IMO if either of them wins and then beats Kramnik, Anand will be more of a consistent world champion.
Oct-01-05  aw1988: Beating Kramnik is... um, not easy.
Oct-01-05  roni.chessman: yeah...beating kramnik is not easy - even Kasparov shattered as his patience was thrown asunder.
Oct-01-05  suenteus po 147: <Beating Kramnik is... um, not easy.> This is why I believe, if Topalov wins at San Luis, there will be no reunification match even if Kramnik can secure the sponsorship (which would be pretty likely in such a pairing). Topalov has no reason to face Kramnik for the title. As the fan favorite GM most people would recognize him as the world champion over Kramnik anyway and he has tons of money, so why get caught up in a difficult and potentially losing match? Much better to compete under the auspices and sponsorship of FIDE than risk handing all of that over to someone most people wouldn't want to see as world champion anymore anyway.
Oct-01-05  SnoopDogg: <Topalov has no reason to face Kramnik for the title.>

1. Winner of Linares super tournament 2005
2. Winner of Mtel super tournament 2005.
3. Number two rated in the world at 2788 in 2005 (may drop a couple for Dortmund today). 4. Has beaten Anand, Kasparov, and Kramnik (twice with black) all in the same year 2005.

And if he wins Argentina Topalov has no reason to face Kramnik for the title? Please I would like to hear an explanation addressing the above.

If anyone has earned a right to play Kramnik its Topalov.

Oct-01-05  csmath: @Suentes

A match between Kramnik and either Topa or Anand is unlikely. Many reasons go against it: (a) you listed one, very important

(b) why to hand over anything to Kramnik, it is not that Kramnik has earned anything, for Christ sake this guy is avoiding Kasparov since 2000. He should first play a rematch with Kasparov. Playing with a winner of that rematch would trully be a real reunification

(c) The FIDE cycle is heavy, I don't know where exactly this match would fit in. Yes, Topa seems to have enormous energy to spare but why in the world would he waste it like that - play all the competition while Kramnik grows hair and smokes cigars on his vacation. That is insultive.

But frankly I think Kramnik is not as strong now as he was in 2000, far away from it.

Oct-01-05  csmath: Or:

(a) The match with Kramnik is not worth the risks.

(b) Kramnik does not deserves it.

(c) There is no time for it.

Oct-01-05  suenteus po 147: <SnoopDog> My point is that Topalov wouldn't see it as "earning the right to play Kramnik." He would see it as already having proven himself World Champion WITHOUT ever facing Kramnik in a match. And a lot of people (especially here) would see Topalov as world champion after this tournament hands down. This is different if someone like Adams or Leko won. Then people would not be so quick to recognize the winner as the world champion. It wouldn't be quite as bad as being considered a "random Uzbek," but many more people would want to see a reunification match to be sure, not just Kramnik supporters. And Polgar or Leko themselves would seek the match, because then their title and how they are perceived is in their hands and they have control over it, despite the risk of losing it in a match with Kramnik. My thinking for Topalov goes double for Anand. If either of them wins, no reunification match will happen, regardless of what kind of sponsorship Kramnik secures. The simple reason? The don't NEED it to be world champion. Anybody else wins San Luis, and I think we have a chance for a reunification match.
Oct-01-05  csmath: Yes, of course.

Usually people do not take perception considerations in question but it is there. Judit would have to face Kramnik because she lost so many times against him and no tournament victory would give her a stature above Kramnik.

That is exactly why Kramnik is avoiding Kasparov. He is afraid his good score against Kasparov would go down the drain if they play more often so he was making sure that doesn't happen. This way the perception is that he is at least even to Kasparov in the matches even though they played only one.

I personally want unification but I would like to see first Kramnik-Kasparov rematch and then a match with either Topa or Anand (or whoever else wins in San Luis). That ultimate winner would be a true, undisputable world champion.

Oct-01-05  suenteus po 147: <csmath> I, too, deep down would like to see reunification, which is part of the reason why I chose Leko for my tournament winner. Now I'm almost positive that Topalov will win it, which is sad because reunification won't happen if he does. Then again, there is no guarantee of a reunification match even if Leko or someone else does win. It's just one of those dreams we all love to dream.
Oct-01-05  SnoopDogg: <My point is that Topalov wouldn't see it as "earning the right to play Kramnik." He would see it as already having proven himself World Champion WITHOUT ever facing Kramnik in a match. And a lot of people (especially here) would see Topalov as world champion after this tournament hands down. >

I misunderstood your post. I agree with you now, except the Anand part.

Oct-01-05  tpstardefender: <suenteus po 147: Topalov will win it, which is sad because reunification won't happen if he does.>

I think you lost your objective mind. You are just dwelling too much on others' opinions. Topalov MIGHT decline a match with Kramnik, but he never said he WILL decline a match.

Oct-01-05  tpstardefender: <SnoopDogg: I agree with you now, except the Anand part.>

Come on snoop, you said you're a fan of "good chess." But it is pretty apparent that you're incredibly biased towards Topalov. Give me one good reason why Vishy should play Kramnik and not Topalov. Is it because of Anand's remarkable consistency at the elite chess and Topalov's recent one-year success?

Oct-01-05
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  Gypsy: I actually see Topalov as the most likely to play Kramnik. Did you ever see him ducking a good fight? I think that as much as he wants to be a champion, he wants to be the champion without an *.

Topalov won me over by his uncompromising approach to chess on and off the board. I like Anand, do not take me wrong, but I prefer Topalov over Anand exactly because Topalov never ever takes the easy out. Anand at times does.

Oct-01-05  SnoopDogg: Yes <tpstardefender> I am a fan of good chess. Maybe I translated the post wrong again, but this is what I agree with.

I agree that Topalov will be recognized as world chess champion if he wins Argentina, same with Anand. I do not agree that Anand will not play Kramnik <My thinking for Topalov goes double for Anand. If either of them wins, no reunification match will happen>.

Anand and Topalov will play Kramnik if they win.

Oct-01-05  tpstardefender: <Gypsy> Do you also want Chucky to be WC because he 'never ever takes the easy out?' Of course, everyone wants to see Chucky become the WC or Topi become the WC or Moro become the WC because of their unconventional styles. BTW, at times Kasparov took an 'easy out' too. That doesn't change anything.
Oct-01-05  percyblakeney: Reunification or not, I think the winner in San Luis is a better player than the two in Brissago...
Oct-01-05  tpstardefender: <SnoopDogg> Sorry, if I misunderstood you.

I also think Anand(doesn't have to) might play Kramnik because they're good friends and noone wants to pass up a huge chunk of money just like that.

Oct-01-05
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  Gypsy: <SnoopDogg: ... Anand and Topalov will play Kramnik if they win.> I hope you are right; nothing less should be expected of an undisputed champion!!
Oct-01-05  SnoopDogg: <I also think Anand(doesn't have to) might play Kramnik because they're good friends and noone wants to pass up a huge chunk of money just like that.>

I wonder where the match would be held. Tbilisi, Georgia! Or maybe Yerevan, Armenia! This would please people such as Petrosian and System of a Down.

Oct-01-05  tpstardefender: <SnoopDogg> that's too early:) Isn't it?

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  Gypsy: <tpstardefender: ... Do you also want Chucky to be WC because he 'never ever takes the easy out?' ...> I want Ivanchuk to get a title shot, because he has earned it. I will root for him because he has an uncompromising style and because I love the chess he plays.
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