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Sep-12-12
 | | keypusher: <conrad93> <joodik> <<joodik> Botvinnik- Talentless player who needed a lot of support from the government to make it to the top.> <Conrad93: Keres only wins by luck. He plays bad moves and then his opponent makes a blunder and loses.> You're both idiots, and conrad93 is a tiresome troll to boot. Enjoy each other. |
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| Sep-12-12 | | Karpova: Keres came in shared 2nd (with Müller) with 9.5 behind Ancsin (Hungary) with 10.0 at the Ladendorf tournament. This was apparently a correspondence tournament organized by the IFSB and took more than 2 years (it ended at the beginning of 1938). This was an unusual tournament as the starting position remained the same as in usual chess but the white queen and king switched places. From page 37 of the 1938 'Neue Wiener Schachzeitung' |
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| Sep-12-12 | | BUNA: <keypusher> joodik is apparently the estonian word for drunkard. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/joodik
I guess that says it all. |
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| Oct-02-12 | | Chris1971: Keres! My chess hero! |
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Oct-02-12
 | | perfidious: <BUNA: <keypusher> joodik is apparently the estonian word for drunkard. I guess that says it all.>
That's rich.
Throw <jombar> in with <joodik> and <Conrad93> and we've got ourselves a holy trinity of trollery. Lucky us. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | brankat: <keypusher>
<<<joodik> Botvinnik- Talentless player who needed a lot of support from the government to make it to the top.><Conrad93: Keres only wins by luck. He plays bad moves and then his opponent makes a blunder and loses.>> I can't but wonder whether there is some sort of a legal precedent for this kind of a thing. At least to put them in a straight jacket and keep them in a safely isolated environment. <perfidious> HarryLol would fit right in, too. |
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Oct-23-12
| | perfidious: <brankat> With one talentless player and one lucky one, the Botvinnik-Keres games would be rich in drama, one would think. 'Tis a pity Keres never challenged Mikhail Moiseevich for the crown, which would have provided twenty-odd more examples of vapidity, not to mention comedies of errors, to the chess world, to add to the twenty those titans gave us. |
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| Oct-23-12 | | brankat: <perfidious> Very true. A tragicomedy of mythical proportions which, alas, we will never witness. |
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Oct-31-12
 | | alexmagnus: Keres beat 9 world champions, but only 2 of them (Alekhine and Botvinnik) were reigning the day Keres beat them. Which brings me to another question - who is the player with: a)victories over most reigning world champions?
b)most victories over reigning world champions? |
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| Oct-31-12 | | Olavi: Surely Smyslov or Karpov is the answer to b) |
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| Oct-31-12 | | Olavi: No, Alekhine beat Capa and Euwe 17 times when they were champion. |
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| Oct-31-12 | | Olavi: And let's see if there's anybody other than Larsen with 3 reigning champion's skalps. |
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| Oct-31-12 | | Olavi: I think Korchnoi's win over Botvinnik was before the 1960 match, so he has 4. |
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| Oct-31-12 | | Olavi: Korchnoi writes in <Chess is my life> that Botvinnik was preparing was the rematch, so 3 for him. |
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| Oct-31-12 | | Olavi: But Botvinnik has 4, Alekhine in -38, Smyslov and Tal in the return matches and Petrosian in -64. |
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| Nov-11-12 | | IndigoViolet: Remarkable article by Paul Keres on <The question of the world chess championship succession...>, which appeared in <(The) Chess Review> in March 1941: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
Written, I assume, in Soviet-occupied (soon to be German-occupied) Estonia, Keres displays an objective and detatched spirit, apparently oblivious to the turmoil of war. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | drnooo: remarkable aint quite good enough for that article, though close. Chilling,
how oblivious to dark clouds od sheer doom hanging over Europe: here he is talking Capa safe in the folds in Cuba,
and Reshevsky even safer in the U.s. as though a magic wand could be waved for their travel to the stomping grounds of the world championship match.
Yet that must have been, not only Keres, but all hands who were cogitating along those lines.
None of them seemed to realize that
bombs and bullets are stronger than
Staunton Knights and Cherry wood chessboards. |
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Nov-12-12
 | | OhioChessFan: It's my observation that people tend to have an all encompassing view of the world, and their comments on any particular issue tend to reflect the world view. Keres bends over backwards to avoid saying anything controversial/negative about his fellow players, which is fine, but I think that is a reflection of his worldview that everything will be hunky dory if we are all just nice to one another. I hope I'm not playing pop psychologist here, but I think I'm right. In any case, it takes all kinds, but I have never been a person all that impressed with the person who is "nice" to everyone, never had an unkind word for anyone, etc, etc, and it's never been something I've aspired to, as many on the Rogoff page can attest. I think people can be adverserial with mutual respect. But, it takes all kinds. |
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Nov-12-12
| | perfidious: <OCF> In Wade's collection of Fischer's games, he wrote that, in his opinion, Fischer had lost his objectivity towards his opponents or some such, round about the time of Curacao. This was, for Keres, an extraordinarily strong statement and I suspect one would be hard put to find an equivalent elsewhere. For all Keres' greatness, one wonders whether this seeming mildness and self-effacement in his personality kept him from the very top (other considerations aside for the moment). It seems to me that playing nice, at the constant expense of oneself, can be harmful, and I do not believe it is necessarily the most admirable of traits. In my opinion also, it is possible to be on opposite sides of a cause or an issue and have mutual respect while in disagreement. From this, a person may learn and grow. Signed, your fellow pop psychologist |
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| Nov-12-12 | | drnooo: as usual I am in a lonely camp But if you look at the Keres article he is hardly being a nice guy. He is fairly brutal when you examine just how he lays out his assessment of the various players. Apparently anyone who knew him, however did say he was extremely nice, and if you look at the video of when Tal is sinning the worlds championship, that is the nicest, warmest, smile of the bunch.
As for the rest I won't go into the very good reasons how come it always seemed to me that he lost the championship in 48, other than to say that Siberia can be a lonely place for even the nicest of guys. I still believe had he been able to make his escape to the west during the war, the history of chess would be written differently altogether. as for where he ranks in the all time
greats, got me, but it's interesting that Capa, much to my surprise rated his chances high as he did. He must have made quite an impression on el Senor. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | drnooo: as usual, I am short of any details
that would be nice to know: namely those of Keres attempted escape to the west.
Mean, it was more apparently than just a
casual glance out to window towards Paris. Apparently more also than a slip of the lip. But so far that's all I've ever gleaned. Too bad he didn't make it, whatever the reason. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | Jim Bartle: Saw a comment from Spassky which originally appeared in Kingpin: "Keres was the Gulliver among the Lilliputians, he was a real giant. Botvinnik, I believe, was the leader of the Lilliputians. And that is the crux of the matter. As simple as that." Ouch! |
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Nov-13-12
| | perfidious: <Jim> During the Soviet epoch, that would probably have bought Spassky another internal vacation from, inter alia, international chess. |
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| Nov-20-12 | | brankat: <drnooo> <Keres article he is hardly being a nice guy. He is fairly brutal when you examine just how he lays out his assessment of the various players.> I suppose this is the impression You got while reading the article. My feeling was that Keres was being quite objective and fair in his assessment of the potential challengers. <As for the rest I won't go into the very good reasons how come it always seemed to me that he lost the championship in 48, other than to say that Siberia can be a lonely place..> By mentioning Siberia, You very clearly state what "very good reasons" are. The fact is Keres didn't "lose" the title in '48. He had not held it to begin with, neither was he a front runner amongst the candidates. He didn't even manage to finish second. <..had he been able to make his escape to the west during the war, the history of chess would be written differently altogether..> This is strictly a combo of Speculation and Wishful Thinking. One thing is certain, Keres would not have become a stronger player by living in the west. Richer, perhaps. Between 1948 and 1965 Paul Keres had 7 chances to get to play for the Title. When it was most important, crucial: He failed. Every time. Nobody ever questioned Keres's great talent, his knowledge, his playing strength. But there were, there must have been, some champion-kind-of element(s) missing. Will power, nerves, courage, determination. An elusive, but absolutely necessary ingredient was not in place. Champions had it. Keres did not. As for Capablanca's opinion of Keres, you may want to read the original source: Capablanca's famous interview, given in Buenos Aires, 1939: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... Old Dr.Lasker was not as tactful as Capablanca. Around that same time he stated flatly: 'Keres will never be the World Champion." Lasker didn't bother to elaborate, but I have always felt his opinion was along the same lines as Capa's. Being exceptionally intelligent, smart and experienced, Dr.Lasker must have somehow perceived, felt, read through Keres's shortcomings. None of the above takes anything away from Paul Keres's greatness, but may help put things in a more objective prospective. |
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| Nov-25-12 | | stanleys: Keres having a phone conversation in Curacao: http://chess-news.ru/sites/default/... Very interesting article about the Curacao's tournament (in Russian)with a lot of pics by Sosonko - http://chess-news.ru/node/10079 |
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