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FSR
Member since Aug-27-05 · Last seen Oct-04-25
I am Frederick Rhine. The United States Chess Federation awarded me the titles of National Master (at OTB chess) in 1983, and Senior Master of Correspondence Chess in 1997. In February 2024, less than a year after I began playing in the ICCF, it awarded me the title of Correspondence Chess Master. It looks like later this year I will qualify for the title of International Correspondence Chess Master.

As of September 2025, I am the second highest rated USCF correspondence chess player, just three rating points behind Gordon Magat. https://www.uschess.org/assets/top_...

The August 2020 issue of Chess Life magazine had a profile of me (for the text, see Frederick Rhine (my August 1, 2020 comment in the forum)).

I played in the 1997 USCF Absolute Championship (open to the top 13 correspondence players who accept their invitations), scoring 6-6 (+2 =8 -2). The late Alex Dunne wrote in his book on the Absolute Championships, "This was Rhine's only Absolute and he held his own against the best. His two losses were against previous Absolute winners." http://bit.ly/1NB55YP That book contains my games F Rhine vs R Lifson, 1997 and F Rhine vs D Burris, 1997.

But the 1997 event was not my only Absolute. I have also played in the 2023-25 events. In the 2023 edition, I drew all 12 games. That was enough to tie for second! Unlike the 1997 event, this one was under ICCF auspices and allowed the use of engines. There was only one decisive game! https://www.iccf.com/event?id=101114 In the 2024 Absolute, I have ten draws and a win(!), with just one game left, which will very likely be drawn. https://www.iccf.com/event?id=105325 This time +1 will probably only be enough to tie for fourth. In the 2025 Absolute, I have drawn all twelve games. So far there are no decisive games in the event.

I have played first board for the Rogue Squadron in the Chicago Industrial Chess League. I have played online for the Shropshire & Friends team in the 4 Nations Chess League (4NCL), and the Oswestry team in the Shropshire League.

I attended Lane Technical High School in Chicago with the late Chessgames.com co-founder Alberto A Artidiello until he moved out of Chicago. Lane's chess team won the Illinois state championship my junior and senior years, becoming the first school ever to win consecutive championships. Albert also became a master, as did my teammates Kenneth Mohr and Christopher Kus. The late FIDE Masters Albert Charles Chow and Morris Giles were also Laneites.

In July 2013, I played in my second and third regular-rated tournaments of the millennium(!), the Greater Midwest Classic and the Chicago Class (under-2200 section). I tied for second, undefeated, in both, winning $700 and $550, respectively, and brought my rating back over 2200. http://www.uschess.org/assets/msa_j... http://www.uschess.org/assets/msa_j...

I have contributed to hundreds of chess-related articles on Wikipedia under the handle Krakatoa, notably "First-move advantage in chess," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-... "George H. D. Gossip," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George... and "Swindle (chess)," http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_..., all of which are almost entirely written by me. The first two of those have been Today's Featured Article, the highest honor a Wikipedia article can receive, one attained by about one out of every 1,400 articles. I have received various Wikipedia awards, including the Imperial Triple Crown Jewels and the Timeless Imperial Triple Crown (which only 12 Wikipedians have received). My user page is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:K.... Al Lawrence in the aforementioned Chess Life article referred to my "erudite chess articles on Wikipedia." Chess historian Edward Winter in his article "Wikipedia and Chess" commended my Wikipedia articles on Gossip and Hugh Edward Myers. (The latter article is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_....) https://www.chesshistory.com/winter...

I am the editor and proofreader of the book "Tournament Battle Plan: Optimize Your Chess Results!" by Daniel Gormally. I was the proofreader of the book "Triple Exclam!!! The Life and Games of Emory Tate, Chess Warrior" by Daaim Shabazz.

I was a contributor to the now-defunct Chicago Chess Blog, http://chicagochess.blogspot.com. I discovered, and documented in my blog post https://chicagochess.blogspot.com/2..., what Taylor Kingston calls "the Mortimer Effect," which has lowered the Morphy Numbers of many modern players (maybe you!). https://chesscafe.com/the-skittles-... I have a Morphy Number of 4 by virtue of L Barden vs F Rhine, 2010 as well as two simul games I lost to Arthur Bisguier when I was in high school.

Six hundred and thirty-six of my games are in chessgames.com's database. My favorites are F Rhine vs D Sprenkle, 1981, K Thompson vs F Rhine, 1992, and F Rhine vs A Boerkoel, 1996, each of which has been Game of the Day. Rhine-Sprenkle was published with my annotations in Chess Informant (Volume 32) and cited in the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings (Vol. B (2nd ed.) at 183 n.19). In Volume 33 of Chess Informant, my 18th move (18.Nxd6!) in that game was voted the 8th-9th most important theoretical novelty in Volume 32. The game was also cited in MCO-13 and "The Aggressive Nimzowitsch Sicilian 2...Nf6" by Eric Schiller, and occupies an entire chapter in all three editions of "Beating the Sicilian" by John Nunn. It is game 218 in "1000 TN!! The Best Theoretical Novelties" (Chess Informant, 2012). Anish Giri, in his 2023 Chessable course "Lifetime Repertoires: Giri's 1. e4 - Part 3" recommends this line for White. https://www.chessable.com/lifetime-... Following my game against Sprenkle, he writes after 22.Be3, "The computer evaluates this as completely hopeless for Black and it is. Our king is in fact much safer, thanks to our much better pieces." https://www.chessable.com/learn/159... More than 40 years after I played the game, my line still kicks ass!


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Thompson-Rhine was published with my annotations in Chess Informant (Volume 57), and cited in the Encyclopedia of Chess Openings (Vol. B (3rd ed.) at 172 n.163). Jeremy Silman discusses the game and my analysis of it in his book "Winning with the Sicilian Defence" (2nd ed.).

Probably the best game I have ever played is the astonishing F Rhine vs B Lemke, 2025, but it's too deep for me to understand. It was an ICCF game and I was greatly assisted by Stockfish 17.1 (which is legal on ICCF). I doubt that any unaided human could have played that game.

Joel Johnson in his book "Attacking 101: Volume #005" says of my blitz game F Rhine vs NN, 2019, "White played a flawless Smith-Morra Gambit that IM Marc Esserman would have been proud of." Georges Koltanowski published F Rhine vs A Artidiello, 1974 in his syndicated newspaper column. Richard Palliser discusses the opening of F Rhine vs S Nagle, 1997 in his book "tango!"

I have played some theoretically significant correspondence games in the Damiano Variation of Petroff's Defense (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 Nxe4!?), demonstrating that Black's third move, commonly regarded as a blunder, is fully playable. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... Nikolaos Ntirlis analyzes two of my games in an article on the variation in Volume 158 of Chess Informant. Cyrus Lakdawala and Carsten Hansen include five of my games in their book on the line, "None Shall Pass: The Unbeatable Damiano Petroff: A tricky and surprisingly solid defense."

Jacob Aagaard analyzes the endings of two of my Internet blitz games in his 896-page tome "A Matter of Endgame Technique" (alas, mine was lacking). Cyrus Lakdawala includes my study-like win in F Rhine vs A Zhao, 2019 in his book "Tactical Training in the Endgame." He also mentions me, albeit not by name, in his book "In the Zone: The Greatest Winning Streaks in Chess History" when he refers to "The Classical Sicilian, which as one of my atheist students told me, is the closest thing he has to a religion." Cyrus analyzes my game against Gadir Guseinov in his book "The Makogonov Variation: A ruthless King's Indian killer."

Commentator Mato Jelic somewhat extravagantly calls my game E Sollano vs F Rhine, 1977 "The Greatest Ever Blitz Game Played in Chicago." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl8... See also Suren's analysis at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWa... My 7...Bxc5!! in that game, played the year before Boris Avrukh was born, is a big improvement on the flaccid 7...Bg6, his recommendation in the book "Beating 1.d4 Sidelines" (2012).

Someone also made a video (moves only) of J Aagaard vs F Rhine, 2021, a 2-1 bullet game where I drew and should've beaten the grandmaster - if only I'd had time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-O... Someone else (or perhaps two different people) did a video (moves only) of Tal vs F Rhine, 1988, my loss to the great Mikhail Tal in a simul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o... The latter refers to me as a "great grandmaster!" which isn't quite accurate . . .

User: JimmyVermeer discusses my games NN vs F Rhine, 2021, P Pantelidakis vs F Rhine, 1974, and P Napetschnig vs F Rhine, 1977 in his video "The 109 fastest checkmates in chess history, part 10 of 11." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GT... The sequel "The 109 fastest checkmates in chess history, part 11 of 11," contains a Fool's Mate I played, which I had mentioned in a comment on this site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Z... Napetschnig-Rhine is also mentioned in https://www.chess.com/terms/fools-m.... Rick Kennedy discusses my game F Rhine vs NN, 2018 on his Jerome Gambit blog. https://jeromegambit.blogspot.com/2... My game F Rhine vs NN, 2010 is mentioned in the "Checkmate Patterns Course" by Raf Mesotten and John Bartholomew on chessable.com.

I composed this study, which Pal Benko published in "Benko's Bafflers" in Chess Life, May 2006:

White to play and draw


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The solution is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stale... It is based on an earlier study of mine, also published in Benko's column. Both compositions also appear in Harold van der Heijden's endgame study database. https://www.chess.com/news/view/76-... The above study is also cited in "The Complete Chess Swindler" by David Smerdon and "Rewire Your Chess Brain: Endgame Studies and Mating Problems to Enhance Your Tactical Ability" by Cyrus Lakdawala.

I was once one of the world's best players at suicide chess (also known as "losing chess"), a chess variant where one wins by giving away all of one's pieces. http://perpetualcheck.com/antichess...

I have successfully submitted 240 puns for Game of the Day. Game Collection: Puns I submitted. User: johnlspouge has remarked, "As far as I can tell, <FSR> is churning out 'actual puns' almost as fast as I can [insert bodily function of choice]." K Tjolsen vs S Marder, 2010. The coveted 2013 Caissar for Best (Worst) Pun went to "Control-Ault-Delete," the pun I submitted for Fischer vs R Ault, 1959, the Game of the Day on December 19, 2012. I won the 2019 Caissar in the same category for my greatest pun ever (and IMO one of the greatest chessgames puns ever) "Late December Back in '63: What a Lady, What a Knight!," N Littlewood vs B Brinck-Claussen, 1963, the Game of the Day on December 30, 2019. Since Caissars are awarded in January, my wins may illustrate recency bias.

Nine of my games have been Game of the Day: NN vs F Rhine, 1977 ("Strangers on a Train"), F Rhine vs F Lasch, 1986 ("Lasch Call"), K Thompson vs F Rhine, 1992 ("Like a Rhinestone Cowboy"), R Delaune vs F Rhine, 1997 ("Red Red Rhine"), F Rhine vs D Burris, 1997 ("Fred Rhine Felled"), F Felecan vs F Rhine, 2019 ("Felecan Brief"), F Rhine vs D Sprenkle, 1981 ("Sparkling Rhine"), F Rhine vs A Boerkoel, 1996 ("Das Rhinegold"), and F Rhine vs NN, 2018 ("'Twas the Night Before Christmas"). Six wins, a draw, and two losses.

I am responsible for World Junior Championship (1957), Vidmar Memorial (1969), Carlsen - Anand World Championship Match (2014), Game Collection: Drawing lines, and 32nd Correspondence World Championship (2020), among others. Legendary chess journalist Leonard Barden recently told me in an email, "I follow your many thoughtful contributions to chessgames.com with interest."

I am a member of the ChessBookie Hall of Fame, having finished fourth in the Summer 2015 Leg, seventh in the Winter 2016 Championship Leg, ninth in the Winter 2017 Championship Leg, ninth in the Spring 2017 Leg, and seventh in the Summer 2017 Leg.

I am very active on Chessable, where my handle is "Krakatoa." https://www.chessable.com/profile/K... I am a "Legend" and have 134 badges, five shy of the world record held by Maestro. https://www.chessable.com/badges/Ma...

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   Oct-04-25 Chessgames - Politics (replies)
 
FSR: Heather Cox Richardson: <Although President Donald J. Trump has not appeared in public since Tuesday, his social media account has been posting up a storm. Just three weeks ago, administration officials were insisting that Democrats were responsible for hateful political speech. ...
 
   Oct-03-25 Hans Fahrni
 
FSR: <perfidious> Thanks. I have added him to the roll.
 
   Oct-03-25 Leopold Trebitsch
 
FSR: Leopold Trebitsch died at the chessic age of 64, like Robert James Fischer, William Steinitz, Howard Staunton, Conel Hugh O'Donel Alexander, Vladimir Savon, Pedro Damiano, Albin Planinc, Vladimir Antoshin, Edmar Mednis, Hans Fahrni, Vitaly Halberstadt, Giulio Cesare Polerio, Karl-Heinz ...
 
   Oct-01-25 FSR chessforum
 
FSR: Submitted: [Event "2nd DSM 0-2750 F (BUL)"] [Site "ICCF"] [Date "2025.08.10"] [Round "-"] [White "Cronje, Hector Albert"] [Black "Rhine, Frederick"] [ECO "A20"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [WhiteElo "2357"] [BlackElo "2349"] [Source " ...
 
   Sep-29-25 Denker vs J Silman, 1975
 
FSR: Silman obviously didn't see 12...Bc4? 13.e5! Simply 12...Nc4 13.Bxc4 Bxc4 would have left him a little better.
 
   Sep-29-25 A Dueckstein vs Geller, 1991
 
FSR: Geller's only loss in the tournament, as IM Dueckstein adds another superstar to his list of victims (including Euwe, Spassky, and Botvinnik). Two rounds later, Smyslov as Black handed Dueckstein his only lost in the event. Smyslov and Geller went on to tie for first in this first World
 
   Sep-29-25 Smyslov vs B Zueger, 1991
 
FSR: I'm surprised that Smyslov couldn't Beat Zueger .
 
   Sep-29-25 Geller vs Najdorf, 1953 (replies)
 
FSR: Geller really effed him up.
 
   Sep-29-25 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
FSR: I received an email from IM William John Donaldson offering over 1200 games of his friend, the celebrated author IM Jeremy Silman , who died two years ago: <Dear Frederick, Attached are over 1200 games of Jeremy Silman for possible inclusion at chessgames.com which currently has 252
 
   Sep-28-25 Chessgames - Sports (replies)
 
FSR: You may know that Tip O'Neill was Speaker of the House from 1977 to 1987. But did you know that in 1887 he hit for the cycle twice, in two games just a week apart? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_... OK, technically Thomas Phillip O'Neill Jr. was nicknamed "Tip" after the Canadian ...
 
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Jul-06-18
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  FSR: <centralfiles> Hilarious! White had to try 6.Bg2. Compare Owen's Defense: 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 f5? 4.exf5! Bxg2 5.Qh5+ g6 6.fxg6 Nf6?? (6...Bg7! is the only move, although White has a couple of winning lines, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen%...) 7.gxh7+ Nxh5 8.Bg6#. Opening Explorer
Jul-06-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Submitted:

[Event "15-minute game"]
[Site "Internet"]
[Date "2010.07.26"]
[EventDate "2010.07.26"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Frederick Rhine"]
[Black "NN"]
[ECO "B00"]

1.d4 b6 2.e4 Bb7 3.Bd3 f5 4.exf5 Bxg2 5.Qh5+ g6 6.fxg6 Bg7 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Qg6 Bxf3 10.Rg1 Rxh7 11.Qg3 Be4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Qf3+ Kg8 14.Qxe4 c6 15.Bf4 d6 16.Nd2 Qd7 17.O-O-O a5 18.Nf3 d5 19.Qg6 e6 20.Be5 Qf7 21.Qxh7+ Kxh7 22.Ng5+ Kg8 23.Nxf7 Kxf7 24.Rxg7+ 1-0

Jul-07-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Submitted:

[Event "World Senior Team Championship"]
[Site "Radebeul, Germany"]
[Date "2018.07.07"]
[EventDate "2018.07.07"]
[Round "1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Bernhard Dieterle-Bard"]
[Black "Keith Arkell"]
[ECO "B12"]
[WhiteElo "1960"]
[BlackElo "2406"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. dxc5 Nc6 5. Bb5 e6 6. b4 Qh4 7. c3 Qe4+ 8. Qe2 Qxg2 9. Qf3 Qxf3 10. Nxf3 Bd7 11. Bxc6 Bxc6 12. a4 d4 13. Ke2 d3+ 14. Ke3 Ne7 15. Nbd2 Rd8 16. Rg1 Nd5+ 17. Kxd3 Nxb4+ 18. Kc4 Nd3 19. Ba3 Nxf2 20. Nd4 Bd5+ 21. Kb5 Nd3 22. N2f3 Rc8 23. c4 Bxf3 24. Nxf3 Bxc5 25. Rgd1 Bxa3 26. Rxa3 Rc5# 0-1

Jul-07-18  centralfiles: <FSR> Your right After Bg2! White would actually have a very considerable advantage that's not a line I want to repeat.
Jul-11-18  WinKing: Hi <FSR>,

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Jul-27-18  johnlspouge: Hi, Frederick.

I hope you are well. I recall that you speculated that climate change should manifest itself through record temperatures. Here is a relevant article in the Guardian

[ Kenneth S Rogoff ]

All the best,
John

Jul-27-18  johnlspouge: And d*mn, I just burst with pride when I saw that you quoted me in your profile.

I might even add it as an item in my CV ;>)

Jul-29-18  johnlspouge: I am puzzled by failure of the link, but yes, it led to an article different from your three. Thanks for them.

Here is the direct link to "my" Guardian article.

"Heatwave made more than twice as likely by climate change, scientists find"

[ https://www.theguardian.com/environ... ]

Oct-28-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: I'm back, baby.
Oct-28-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Welcome back.
Oct-30-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <offramp> Thanks.
Nov-02-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <FSR> could be telegraph code for <Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavik>.
Nov-04-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Hmm, never thought of that one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSR I got very excited some years ago when I walked past Full Service Realty.
Nov-04-18  thegoodanarchist: <offramp: <FSR> could be telegraph code for <Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavik>.>

Also, "Fischer-Spassky, Revisited" (1992)

Nov-25-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Updating a prior comment of mine:

One reason that it is so difficult to say who is the greatest player ever is determining what criterion or criteria to use. If one looks at highest rating ever, the greatest player ever is Carlsen. If one looks at dominance over other players at one's peak, it might be Steinitz, who according to Chessmetrics in April 1876 was rated 199 points above Henry Bird, the world's No. 2 player. Fischer, with his astonishing performances in 1970-72, including winning the Interzonal by 3.5 points and sweeping both Larsen and Taimanov 6-0, is also a strong contender. If one looks at ability to play at a very high level for a very long period of time, it's probably Lasker (a world-class player from 1889 to 1935). If one counts the number of tournaments won, it's Karpov. If one looks at "invincibility" (difficulty of beating the player) it might be Capablanca (as Chernev claimed in his 1976 book "The Golden Dozen") or even Kasparov. If one looks at how far ahead of his time the player was, it's likely Morphy.

Nov-26-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: For "invincibility" I would put Petrosian ahead of Capablanca.

He had a tremendous run in 1962/3. No one beat him at the Stockholm Interzonal (1962), or at Curacao Candidates (1962) and Botvinnik only beat him twice in Petrosian - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1963).

Nov-27-18  Paint My Dragon: <"How far ahead of his time"> certainly fits with Morphy, but perhaps more so with Philidor. He was the first to devise a methodology for each part of the game, the first to play well blindfold, and the first to fully comprehend the nuances of pawn play.
Nov-27-18  Count Wedgemore: <offramp: For "invincibility" I would put Petrosian ahead of Capablanca.>

Yes, Petrosian is up there among the players that were the most difficult to beat. Another, perhaps a bit surprisingly, candidate is Tal, who had two long unbeaten streaks in the early seventies (86 and 95 consecutive games without a loss in 1972-73 and 1973-74).

By the way, I agree with <Paint My Dragon>; I think Philidor was the player most ahead of his time. His strategic ideas were in many ways a whole century ahead of the times. He was a visionary.

Nov-29-18  centralfiles: <FSR> This is probably one of my better examples of the 8.Bxf7+ sac from a chess.com blitz game. https://www.chess.com/live?#g=32555...

As far the "greatest" chess player of all time discussion. If we are going to try to discern the exact intention of the majority of people using this term, it would certainly fall somewhere in between greatest talent and strongest player.

i.e. Modern techniques that can be learned and incorporated easily and quickly would probably not weigh for much in favor of modern players. But more sophisticated modern concepts and techniques would count for more. We Can all be sure there were many great prehistoric minds who would have made 1st class mathematicians, if only they lived in a different time period and different society- Yet no one can seriously claim they were great mathematicians...

Dec-09-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Submitted:

[Event "Banter Blitz 168"]
[Site "chess24.com"]
[Date "2018.12.03"]
[EventDate "2018.12.03"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Charles H. Storey"]
[Black "Jan Gustafsson"]
[ECO "B55"]
[WhiteElo "2418"]
[BlackElo "3225"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3 e5 6.Bb5+ Bd7 7.Bxd7+ Qxd7 8.Nf5 d5 9.Bg5 dxe4 10.Bxf6 gxf6 11.Qxd7+ Nxd7 12.fxe4 Rg8 13.O-O Rc8 14.Nc3 Bb4 15.Nd5 Rxc2 16.g3 Bc5+ 17.Kh1 Rg4 18.Rac1 Rxc1 19.Rxc1 Rxe4 20.Nd6+ 1-0

Dec-12-18  centralfiles: Another fine Bxf7 specimen https://www.chess.com/live/game/328... Nice pun today.
Dec-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Agreed on the nice pun.

FWIW, I think Lasker and Karpov have a much better claim for the GOAT than generally thought.

Guessing that 3225 ELO for Gustafsson is a typo.

Dec-13-18  thegoodanarchist: <FSR: Updating a prior comment of mine:

One reason that it is so difficult to say who is the greatest player ever is determining what criterion or criteria to use... highest rating ever ... dominance over other players at one's peak, ... ability to play at a very high level for a very long period of time ... the number of tournaments won... "invincibility" ... how far ahead of his time the player was...>

What about all of the above?

To me, the least significant is "ability to plat at a very high level for a long period of time".

Generally, if you have done so for 2 or 3 years at least, you've proven that you can do so for 20 years.

Morphy was so dominant that he eventually only played games at odds, and then he quit chess altogether.

I have little doubt that he could have dominated "regular" chess for years after he quit doing so.

Highest rating is also problematic. I think "highest rating for the player's particular era" is a better criterion.

One more criticism: you've left out a key factor. What has the player done for the game of chess itself?

This is one factor that is very important to me, but other commentators at this site don't value so much when making a case for their man.

Both Fischer and Kasparov were excellent boosting chess itself, either actively or just by the indirect consequences of their playing careers.

Fischer made chess a truly professional sport. Kasparov revitalized chess with his attacking prowess and forceful personality.

In any event, a few years ago I commented that Fischer had done more for chess than all other chess players put together. Don't recall my exact wording.

My claim was only somewhat hyperbolic - I think a strong argument can be made that it is actually true. It's just that such a claim is rather presumptuous at first glance, and so meets with resistance.

Dec-21-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <thegoodanarchist> I agree that what the player has done for the game should be a consideration. I disagree with you on the "ability to play at a very high level for a long period of time" criterion. Some players achieve that, some don't. Consider Emanuel Lasker and Peter Leko, for example. According to Chessmetrics, Lasker was the No. 1 player in the world in June 1890 and December 1926 (and 290 different months in between)! http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/... At Moscow 1935, a grueling 20-player round robin, he finished undefeated, just half a point behind the joint winners Botvinnik and Flohr - at age 66! Simply astounding. Then there's Leko, who tied a world championship match against Kramnik (who had to beat him in the last game to achieve that) in 2004. These days he's only No. 50 or so in the world, with a rating of 2691, while Kramnik is still No. 7 in the world.
Dec-21-18
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  FSR: <centralfiles> <OCF> Glad you liked the pun, and thanks for pointing it out. I had overlooked that that game had been chosen on December 12.

<OCF> Karpov is obviously one of the all-time greats, though I doubt too many would name him GOAT. As you may have noticed, I am a big Lasker fan and think he is very underrated by most players. I agree that he is a serious contender for GOAT.

The 3225 rating for Gustafsson is no typo. That was his blitz rating on chess24.com at the time.

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