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| AnalyzeThis: <returnoftheking: Did Nimzowitsch ever challenge Alekhine for a wch match? > That would have been like Bambi challenging Godzilla. |
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| parisattack: Nimzo no match for Capa - although he had him on the ropes a couple of times... |
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| returnoftheking: why would nimzo be no match for Capa?
The number three in the world. If he'd v prepared and changed his style a little (playing a bit more conservative), who knows. Before 1927 people said the same about Alekhine, and look how that went. |
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May-05-09
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| AnalyzeThis: You're got a point. He might have won by forcing Capa into a coronary, from laughing too hard. |
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| returnoftheking: good argument...
Matter of fact is that Capablanca never managed to win against Nimzowitsch after 1927 (4 games) and was even lost in 1 (2??)of them. Capa won 2 of 4 games in 1927, New York; around the time Nimzo issued his challenge. Nimzo got clearly stronger after the tournament-where he had additional stress because of the qualifying role of the tournament; so I would not count him out. Even if you count the new york games, 2 wins in 8 games is not that big a difference. |
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| returnoftheking: Anyway my question was if Nimzo ever challenged Alekhine like he challenged Capa. |
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May-05-09
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| AnalyzeThis: <returnoftheking: good argument... > I guess what you're trying to say is that Nimzo almost made Capa break a sweat. While that's almost interesting, it's not grounds for overturning their established record against each other. |
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| May-05-09 |
| returnoftheking: Omg..
I ask: did Nimzowitsch ever challenge Alekhine like he did Capa?You "answer" how futile that would be.
Someone else responds by saying that Nimzo was no match for Capa. I have a different opinion and mention that and you start with wannabe sarcastic comments. Twice. And putting words in my mouth I did not say-about overturning of records. Whatever. I'v no interest in debating if Capa would crush Nimzo or not. Just let me know if you know the answer to my question. |
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May-05-09
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| parisattack: <returnoftheking: why would nimzo be no match for Capa?
The number three in the world. If he'd v prepared and changed his style a little (playing a bit more conservative), who knows. Before 1927 people said the same about Alekhine, and look how that went.> I don't see Nimzo adjusting his style - I think he was too 'intellectually honest' to do such a thing; Alekhine by comparison was a w****. Like Larsen, Nimzo was more a tournament player than a match player. But, who knows? One would think - with current computer technology - 'they' could recreate the great players with some sort of sophisticated curve-fitting of their games, move choices, commutative analysis of their play over 100 years. Then hold a match for the Ultimate Title. I have a box of Nimzo memorabilia I purchased from Al Buschke in the 1970s - It was Hans Kmoch's research for a book that never got written. Sometime I will scan/photo some of what I still have, post it to a backpage of my website. |
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May-05-09
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| keypusher: <returnoftheking: Omg..
I ask: did Nimzowitsch ever challenge Alekhine like he did Capa?>I am not aware of a formal challenge. In fact there seems to be some question whether Nimzowitsch ever issued a formal challenge to Capablanca, which I had thought was established fact. See the quote in the linked post from <Calli>. Alexander Alekhine But Nimzowitsch did write the following in the Carlsbad 1929 tournament book: <The chess world is obligated to organize a match between the champion of the world and the winner of this Carlsbad tournament -- indeed this is a moral obligation. If the world of chess should remain deaf to its obligation, on the other hand, it would amount to an absolutely unforgivable omission, carrying with it a heavy burden of guilt.> |
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May-05-09
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| AnalyzeThis: Capa slapped Nimzo silly in blitz chess and tournament chess. For the right fee, I'm sure he would have been glad to do so in a match as well. |
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May-05-09
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| AgentRgent: <returnoftheking> Don't bother discussing Nimzowitsch with AT, he's got some stupid personal vendetta or something (I suspect that ultimately it boils down to pent up frustration with being unable to grasp Nimzowitsch's ideas in My System). |
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May-06-09
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| ray keene: <parisattack> kmoch book-nimzo archive !!!! i presume you have seen and i hope read my book on nimzo-i wd very much like to see this archive and the unpublished book-i cd even publish the book through hardinge simpole or impala-can you let me know if this might be possible?? |
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| May-06-09 |
| returnoftheking: <I have a box of Nimzo memorabilia I purchased from Al Buschke in the 1970s - It was Hans Kmoch's research for a book that never got written. Sometime I will scan/photo some of what I still have, post it to a backpage of my website.> That would be cool. Is the challenge to Capa maybe amongst the memorabilia?:-) |
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| May-06-09 |
| returnoftheking: lol...Keene smells money ^^
<keypusher> Thanks for the link. If Calli is right (he usually is) then why did Capa beat Nimzo twice during the New York tournament:-). With 1 point more Nimzo would have been 2nd or shared 2nd after Capa; giving him the right to a wch match. I didn't know the quote of Nimzo after Carlsbad. I think he was right-there should have been a match-would have been very interesting as he deserved a shot at the title. p.s. According to Alekhine in the tournament book of 1927 Nimzo challenged Capablanca in the fall of '26- but he had not gathered the required amount of money at the time. <agentr> advice taken.. |
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May-06-09
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| parisattack: <ray keene: <parisattack> kmoch book-nimzo archive !!!! i presume you have seen and i hope read my book on nimzo-i wd very much like to see this archive and the unpublished book-i cd even publish the book through hardinge simpole or impala-can you let me know if this might be possible??> It is not so much a book as a large shoebox of materials Hans collected along the way for a possible Nimzo book which he never wrote. I sold
the memorabilia items years back and haven't looked at it pretty much since then. I will dig out, inventory. I remember two large notebooks (in German) which I suspect were his preliminary ideas and such. A few photos, a couple of signatures - one on a copy of Die Blockade, scoresheets and such. I spoke to Hans about this material on on occasion I had to speak to him on something else. About the only comment I recall is that he thought Buschke had really taken me to the cleaners on the price he charged me. Your book remains the 'standard' work on Nimzo, certainly! |
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| May-06-09 |
| inderhinder: The Nimzo is my favourite opening and My System was my favourite chess book when I was a teenager!! |
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May-11-09
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| AnalyzeThis: You mean, the opening that Alekhine made into a fearsome weapon, playing as early as Nimzo did, yet much better than Nimzo did throughout his career, in a far more modern manner, with significantly better results. Thanks. |
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May-11-09
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| ray keene: <parisattack> all sounds very interesting-any unpublished info on nimzo deserves to see the light of day-we have far too few of his games! |
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| May-11-09 |
| FHBradley: <AnalyzeThis:> Why do you keep saying things about Nimzo that <Rookfile> told us long ago? Is it because he's your hero (or vice versa), or because you share the same sources, or is it something else? |
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May-11-09
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| AnalyzeThis: This is a more humorous question than you realize, FHBradley. |
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May-11-09
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| parisattack: <ray keene: <parisattack> all sounds very interesting-any unpublished info on nimzo deserves to see the light of day-we have far too few of his games!> Does Breyer interest you <GM Keene>? I also bought in the late-1970s a manuscript of Breyer's games -'Collection of Games Played By Gyula Breyer' - compiled by William Streter with additions by A. Buschke, Ulrich, Grammel, et al. No annotations, just hand-copied raw game scores. I've never crossed them with the DBs or Bottlik's book but I suspect a few unpublished games may be present. I scanned it at one time and have in a .doc file. |
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May-11-09
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| ray keene: it wd be great to get any unknown breyer games up here on this site-breyer had some amazing early games-i first came across him in a book by rn coles called dynamic chess which i persuaded hardinge simpole publishers to reprint so it shd still be available on www.hardingesimpole.co.uk |
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May-11-09
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| parisattack: Dynamic Chess by Coles a wonderful book! Some of the annotations might be called 'optimistic' but its a great read. Nimzo fans would certainly enjoy it. |
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May-22-09
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| chancho: <FHBradley: AnalyzeThis Why do you keep saying things about Nimzo that <Rookfile> told us long ago? Is it because he's your hero (or vice versa), or because you share the same sources, or is it something else? Something else. :-) |
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