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Oct-06-10
 | | chancho: Two years, eight months, 19 days since Bobby died. |
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Oct-06-10 | | morphy2010: Thanks for the particulars CHANCHO |
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Oct-06-10 | | 20MovesAhead: simple arithmetic shows Mr. Spassky to be 73 years old |
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Oct-06-10 | | Marmot PFL: <Our sources are reporting that last week Boris returned to France for treatment and rehabilitation.> That is good news, and probably a smart move. My father toured some Soviet hospitals in the 80s and found them to be way behind western standards (and these were the ones they allowed foreigners to see). On the other hand, health care was a constitutional right - universal, free (not necessarily equal). Not sure if its improved since, or not. Of course a VIP like Spassky would get the best available in either country. |
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Oct-07-10 | | morphy2010: How old is Boris Spassky? |
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Oct-07-10
 | | Phony Benoni: <morphy2010> Boris Spassky is 73; born January 30, 1937. |
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Oct-08-10
 | | BishopBerkeley: Ayn Rand & Boris Spassky:
I have no idea if this snippet is authentic, but someone over on http://groups.google.com/group/alt.... posted this "quote from Ayn Rand's open letter to Boris Spassky": ---[ [attributed] quote from Ayn Rand's open letter to Boris Spassky ]--- Would you be able to play if the rules of the game remained as they
are at present, with one exception: that the pawns were declared to be
the most valuable and nonexpendable pieces (since they may symbolize
the masses) which had to be protected at the price of sacrificing the
more efficacious pieces (the individuals)?
---[ end quote ]---
Now, I am not a particular kindred spirit to Ms. Rand, but I do appreciate some points that she makes here and there. Though I'm not certain the above snippet is authentic, it is interesting in an odd way.... (: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :) |
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Oct-08-10 | | parisattack: It is from 'An Open Letter to Boris Spassky' published in the Ayn Rand Letter September 11, 1972. The subtitle is: The Metaphysical Lessons of Chess. Considering she had only a rudimentary understanding of the game her description of it in the above mentioned article (IMHO) was quite sharp. Rand was very good at leveraging small amounts of information as are most Rationalists. She never actually read Kant, for example, but had a very good fix on his metaphysics and ethics (though I am sure some Kantians will disagree). |
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Oct-08-10 | | kingfu: Marmot,
Excellent point about "universal free" health care in the former Soviet Union. Awful, I fear. Choose one: Moscow or Arles? Arles is in the South of France and, I believe, Spassky's primary residence. If one is born in The People's Republic of Pawns, then one might have to go along to get along. When Boris had the chance , he moved to Arles. I would give that move a !!!!!.
Get well, Boris. You are a Champion of Chess and a Champion of LIFE. |
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Oct-09-10 | | morphy2010: Thanks phony benoni |
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Oct-14-10 | | BobCrisp: <I had a very nice nostalgic dinner and memorable conversation with my “old friend†Boris Spassky, who just arrived to Bilbao tonight to take over the commentary for me in the second half of the tournament. We remember a lot of stories about our late friend Bobby Fischer. Boris is in the process of writing his memoir about Bobby. He even showed me a number of their pictures from private meetings…but not to expect it to be published in his lifetime.> http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/200... |
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Oct-20-10 | | drnooo: His rating more than almost anyone elses shows the absurdity of the present Elo s One of the greatest players in history should be some kind of keystone to use to bring the current inflated ratings down where they belong. |
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Oct-20-10 | | I play the Fred: Ummm...you know Boris isn't so strong in 2010, right? Here is a list of things wrong with your post:
1) Present day ELOs are absurd
2) ELO ratings "belong" in a particular range
3) Present day non-World Champions cannot be rated higher than World Champions from earlier eras 4) Inflated ratings are a bad thing
And here is where I explain how the points from your post are wrong: 1) ELO is just math. That's all it is. When you plug numbers into the formula, you get other numbers back. How is the present day ELO list more absurd than lists from 30 years ago? No one is making up these numbers. Data goes in, data comes out. The problem people like you have is that you assign more meaning to ELO than it deserves. ELO is not a measure of chessplaying ability, nor is it meant to directly compare players from different eras. 2) You probably have some sort of general scale in mind for a "proper" ELO spectrum: 2400+ for IMs, 2500+ for average GMs, 2600+ for top GMs, 2650+ for WC-calibur GMs, 2700+ for WCs. Does that look about right? Why does it follow that that this scale should never change even though there are more people playing competitve chess now than in 1970? That's like saying that because suits used to cost $1.00, they should always be $1.00. That would be nice, but with much more money in the pool it's unrealistic, to say the least. 3) When Boris Spassky achieved his lifetime high of 2690, it was <really> hard to get a rating of 2690. Nowadays it's easier, by virtue of a greater number of opportunities to do so, to obtain a higher rating than that. No one would argue that all the 2700's today are stronger than Spassky ever was based on the fact that Spassky never reached 2700. 4) Ratings inflation, like other inflation, is neither good nor bad. It's just a thing. People make more money today than they made in 1950 because there is a greater pool of money available. More people, more goods, more services equals more money. Sure, back in the day a gallon of gas only cost 10 cents or whatever, but people were making a lot less money at the time. It's the same thing today. There are more opportunities to gain rating points with more players and tournaments going on than in 1970, so it's only logical that you'd have more people with higher ratings than before. |
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Oct-20-10
 | | alexmagnus: <lifetime high of 2690> That "lifetime high" dates back to the very first official Elo list, 1971. Which means he reached his actual "lifetime high" probably slightly before that list. Elo's historical rating list puts his highest 5-year average at 2680, which means he probably was over 2700 at some point... But as for inflation: there is nothing "ridiculous" about Spassky never reaching 2700. I mean, if some player (Fischer) could overtake him by more than 100 points... If you put Spassky at 2800, you'd have to put Fischer stronger than Rybka... |
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Oct-20-10
 | | alexmagnus: It's a matter of "taste" if you say that Fischer was so good that he was 100+ points ahead of the field or if that others were so bad that they managed to allow someone to overtake them by 100+ points. I cannot imagine some human dominating by a 125-point margin among the modern players. |
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Oct-20-10 | | Marmot PFL: From 1966 to 1972 (pre-match) Spassky and Fischer had these records- Spassky W - 84 L - 9 D - 134
Fischer W - 119 L - 10 D - 47
This is a good snapshot of their approaches to chess. Both were extremely hard to beat and could save bad positions. Spassky had a professional approach, he would assess the field and decide who he could beat and who he should draw and do just that. Fischer simply played to win (almost) every game. |
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Oct-21-10 | | I play the Fred: This discussion inspired me to ask this trivia question, based on FIDE rating lists: The first ever 2700 player was Bobby Fischer (Jan. 1970). Anatoly Karpov was #2 (May 1974), Mikhail Tal was #3 (Jan. 1980), and Garry Kasparov was #4 (Jan. 1984). Who was the 5th player to earn a 2700 rating? |
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Oct-21-10 | | micartouse: Boris Gelfand? |
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Oct-21-10
 | | HeMateMe: Wasn't Korchnoi still in the world's top five then? Maybe it was Vic the Terrible? |
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Oct-21-10
 | | alexmagnus: Korchnoi's highest was 2695. |
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Oct-21-10 | | I play the Fred: <micartouse> answered correctly, at least according to the source I used to arrive at the answer (which was Boris Gelfand, Jan. 1991): http://chess.eusa.ed.ac.uk/Chess/Tr... |
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Oct-21-10
 | | Honza Cervenka: <It's a matter of "taste" if you say that Fischer was so good that he was 100+ points ahead of the field or if that others were so bad that they managed to allow someone to overtake them by 100+ points.> Well, it should be said here that this Fischer's rating was based on relatively small number of games where he scored extremely well. This included both 6-0 matches with Taimanov and Larsen which were - with all respect to Bobby - rather flukes caused by apparent collapse of both of his opponents than proof of Bobby's overwhelming superiority over the rest of the world. Petrosian in the first half of his match and Spassky in the second half of match in Reykjavik were able to fight quite par with Bobby. I don't believe that such a great difference in rating was much reliable then. I think something around 50-70 would be more realistic. |
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Oct-21-10 | | AVRO38: Although as an American I am proud of Bobby Fischer's accomplishments, when I look at his career objectively his reputation far exceeds what the facts would warrant. IMO he was only the best in the world from 1971-1972. Spassky was his superior from 1960-1970. By 1970 Bobby had overtaken Petrosian but not Spassky, who beat him soundly on Board 1 at the 1970 Olympiad. I believe Spassky would have won a 1968 Candidates Final against Fischer and Fischer knew it. |
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Oct-21-10 | | I play the Fred: <Although as an American I am proud of Bobby Fischer's accomplishments, when I look at his career objectively his reputation far exceeds what the facts would warrant. IMO he was only the best in the world from 1971-1972. Spassky was his superior from 1960-1970. By 1970 Bobby had overtaken Petrosian but not Spassky, who beat him soundly on Board 1 at the 1970 Olympiad. I believe Spassky would have won a 1968 Candidates Final against Fischer and Fischer knew it.> AVRO38, we may have butted heads before, but this is an excellent post. When you log on for real, you're going to have to tell me who hacked your account this time. ;D |
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Oct-21-10 | | parisattack: <AVRO38: Although as an American I am proud of Bobby Fischer's accomplishments, when I look at his career objectively his reputation far exceeds what the facts would warrant.
IMO he was only the best in the world from 1971-1972. Spassky was his superior from 1960-1970. By 1970 Bobby had overtaken Petrosian but not Spassky, who beat him soundly on Board 1 at the 1970 Olympiad. I believe Spassky would have won a 1968 Candidates Final against Fischer and Fischer knew it.> Interesting thoughts. I don't actually agree with most of this but for anyone who was there at the time (1971-1972) it is difficult even today to be objective about Fischer. The cold war was raging and comes now this icconoclastic lone American who took it to the Soviet machine. I also saw the Fischer-Larsen match (all six games) live and I can tell you that by the third game there were very, very few spectators who did not think 6-0 was already a fait accompli. For me, what his career lacked in length it made up in power. 6-zip, 6-zip against world class GMs is not going to be duplicated again and opponents crying 'I was sick' or 'I was hypnotized' or 'I saw the pieces through a fog' just don't cut it. I still rank Fischer All Time #1 for having the positional clarity of Capablanca, the agressiveness of Alekhine and the fighting spirit of Lasker all rolled into one. |
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