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| Jul-31-07 |
| parisattack: There is no finer run of positional games of chess than Flohr's in the mid-1930s. There is not much on him - at least in English - one book of games (hard to find) and his annotations of the Tournament of Nations. I would love to see a more comprehensive study of him and much enjoyed GeauxCool's Flohr-Rellstab in this thread. |
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| Aug-01-07 |
| pazzed paun: found an annotated book of flohr's games (by jimmmy adams)in a used bookstore--did not have enough money with me came back a couple days later it was GONE!!! WAH. |
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| Aug-02-07 |
| parisattack: pazzed paun - Drats on that, its a hard book to find. How much were the asking for it? |
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| Aug-06-07 |
| pazzed paun: <parisattack> $10 dollars!!!
and a slightly battered copy of Portisch best games by that guy whose name starts with a "V" was also $ 10 dollars!! both books were gone when I came back a couple of days later. it was a trajedy I say!!! |
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| Aug-20-07 |
| parisattack: <Pazzed Paun> - :( You missed a bargain! I paid $60 for my copy. I love trolling the bookstores a couple times a year. I found a New York 1924 (original) for $20 a couple years ago! |
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Aug-20-07
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| brankat: "The rock of safety and correctness."
– Saviely Tartakower (on Salo Flohr) |
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Aug-20-07
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| brankat: New York, 1924, the original: Alekhine still stands out as, probably, the best annotator ever, especially when he worked on other players' games. I bought the book in 1966 for about 1 dollar. In 1991 or '92, when I happened to be desperately broke, I sold most of my books to a used books store, New York Tournament book among others. I believe I got $7.00 for it. Some 8-10 months later the store had a "going-out-of-business" sale. The book was still there! So, I bought it back for $5.00 :-) |
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| Aug-20-07 |
| RookFile: Everybody has their own tastes. Alekhine was good. I prefer Bronstein for Zurich 1953. |
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Aug-21-07
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| brankat: <Rook File> Yes, a very fine work by Bronstein on Zurich '53. I also like Keres's analyses. Fischer's "60 games", too. Botvinnik's annotations strike me as somewhat dry, even stern(?), but still deep and instructive. Also, Gligiric's work on '72 match is outstanding. Just recently I had a chance to read Tal's "Life and games of M.Tal", and was quite impressed. One intriguing thing. You may know something about it. A few months ago, probably sometime late last year, I saw a post, most likely on Dr.Lasker'page, talking about his book on Petrograd, 1909.
I've never read the book. According to the post, in the Preface to the book Lasker states something like "..the analysis in this book will be accurate..". He then goes on to analyze/annotate all the games. I think there was a total of 171, or so, games. Now, apparently, and I don't know how to verify this, only some 4-5 years ago somebody endeavored to subject Lakser's analysis to a scrutiny using the most advanced (at the time) computer engine. I don't remember which one it was. After a long and thorough run through all of the games, the engine found a grand total of 9 "..minor mistakes.."! Actually they were not even mistakes. More like 9 "..slight improvements..".! Of course, Dr'Lasker did the original work all by himself, no assistants, no engines, almost 100 years earlier. I find it fascinating, even mind boggling. But, I don't know whether the story is true. |
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| Aug-21-07 |
| RookFile: Very interesting story brankat. First time I've heard this though. Let me know what you find out! |
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Aug-21-07
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| brankat: <RookFile> I found post(s) I had referred to earlier they were on Dr,Lasker's page: Apr-27-06
<offramp>: <When Lasker wrote the book on the 1909 St Petersburg tournament he started by saying, "This is a book in which the analysis is correct."I recently got the Chessbase version of the book on the match, and Lasker's analysis has been tested by computer. The editors say: "A small handful of cases do present themselves; instsnces in which the world champion failed to reach the high standard he set himself." The editors then give 9 cases (there were 179 games) where Lasker was a bit off, mainly in sub-variations. (I have a feeling that for these sub-variations Lasker may not have had the position set up on the board - you know what I mean.) Another fantastic Lasker achievement!>
Apr-27-06
<<whatthefat>: <offramp: The editors then give 9 cases (there were 179 games) where Lasker was a bit off, mainly in sub-variations.> That's truly astounding for century-old analysis.>> Apr-27-06
<<keypusher: <offramp> Some stupid questions -- is the chessbase version a cd? How much does it cost?>> Apr-27-06
<offramp: It is about $20 http://www.chesscentral.com/pickard... on CD. Lasker's notes are worth every penny!> |
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| Aug-21-07 |
| parisattack: Tastes in annotations certainly vary a lot. I'm not real big on Alekhine's (though they are excellent, obviously) and I thought Bronstein a tad chatty-cathy though fun to read and different. For instruction I like Flohr, Keres, Gligoric, Botvinnik and Karpov the best. I think Gligo's "I Play Against The Pieces" is an unheralded masterpiece. I loved his old Chess Review articles, Game of the Month - 3 pages on the first 15 moves, couple of paragraphs on the rest of the game, LOL! <brankat> You did good on the buy-back. The original NY 24 in good shape has gone for $75 or so on eBay. |
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Aug-21-07
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| brankat: <parisattack> It looks like we have fairly similar tastes. I just borrowed Gligo's book in the library last week! You're right, it is a masterpiece. Aside from being a top level GM, an analyst/explorer, Gligoric also got a degree in journalism almost 60 years ago. In last day, or two, I posted a couple of items on Fischer's page that also relate to Gligoric. |
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| Sep-02-07 |
| parisattack: <brankat> I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I think organizing a player's games by openings is a splendid idea, also. |
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| Sep-12-07 |
| pazzed paun: <parisattack> HEY!!! you may not believe this but I just bought the Flohr book for $12.50!
It is by jimmy adams and the title is
Salo Flohr
Master of tactics
Master of technique
I bought it at the same bookseller i saw it at and could not find it when i went back a second time. I am sure it was priced at $10.00 a few weeks ago.
this volume was priced at 12.50 and had an address label of its former owner(he had brought in over a dozen chessbooks and pamphlets) I do not know if the book had been dragged off to the far corner of the store and only recently properly reshelved or if someone bought it then resold it to the same bookseller just a few weeks later---it must be the exact same book and not some other copy!!! I also bought pogo's Grandmaster Performance for $15!! |
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| Sep-26-07 |
| parisattack: <pazzed paun> Wow, you hit the chess book jackpot! I hope you bought a lotto ticket that night, too. :) They are both dandy books. |
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| Sep-26-07 |
| pazzed paun: <parisattack>maybe i have a lightning rod secretly attached to my butt--but i just bought a bag!! of chess books and the hardback (dustjacket and all )first edition of Fischer's Sixty memorable games is worth more than what I paid for the whole lot!! |
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| Sep-26-07 |
| parisattack: <pazzed paun> You're on a roll, Dude! I collect chess books, have for 40 years, but haven't really gotten any bargains in a long time so I'm a bit jealous. I did find a complete run of Purdy's 'Check!' - the magazine he wrote between Australian Chess Review and Chess World - a couple years ago for $20 but I guess otherwise you're getting all the glory. The true first edition of Fischer (1969) not the first book club (1971) is a hot piece of chess property these days. |
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| Oct-01-07 |
| parisattack: There is a question on Chessbase (Winter's Chess Mysteries) about the merchandising of Flohr in the 30s when he was so popular. Supposedly Flohr cigarettes and such. Anyone have first or at least second-hand knowledge of such? I'm sure a Flohr smoke was smooth, satisfying and long-lasting - like his games! ;) |
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Oct-01-07
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| Archives: <There is a question on Chessbase (Winter's Chess Mysteries) about the merchandising of Flohr in the 30s when he was so popular. Supposedly Flohr cigarettes and such. Anyone have first or at least second-hand knowledge of such? I'm sure a Flohr smoke was smooth, satisfying and long-lasting - like his games! ;)> Resignation Trap posted this on the first page of kibitzing here... < In Czechoslovakia, Salo Flohr attained a celebrity status which few other chessplayers ever experienced. There were Flohr Cigarettes, Flohr pastries, Flohr slippers and Flohr Eau de Cologne.> |
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| Oct-06-07 |
| parisattack: My question is if anyone has actually seen such an item first-hand. I suppose a pack of Flohr smokes would be quite a conversation piece in a chess memorabilia collection! |
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Oct-06-07
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| weisyschwarz: Did Flohr take a dog to tournaments? |
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| Oct-09-07 |
| parisattack: I believe his wife often accompanied him to tournaments. Couple of pics of her + Salo on the Internet. Pleasant looking woman it seems. |
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Jun-21-08
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| Resignation Trap: <weisyschwarz> and <parisattack> Flohr and his wife apparently liked cats as well: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... . |
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Jun-21-08
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| whiskeyrebel: I know from experience that cats can keep quiet during a players long hours of chess study. Dogs (and some spouses too so I am told) yap too much. |
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