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Jan-30-11 | | talisman: happy birthday Boris. |
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Jan-30-11 | | Everett: You would be hard-pressed to find a better player, in all areas of play, than Boris Spassky between '64-'70. Always known for his immense talent, this was the time his work with Bondarevsky really fashioned him into one of the best chess-players ever. |
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Jan-30-11 | | Everett: 1964 +37 -8 =38
1965 +16 -3 =26
1966 +21 -7 =55 (includes WC)
1967 +31 -3 =42
1968 +27 -3 =28
1969 +13 -4 =34 (includes WC)
1970 +18 -1 =25
1971 +19 -2 =20
All according to this database. Pretty impressive, especially considering he was playing the best of the best (WC Petrosian, candidates matches, Fischer twice in '67 and '70.) |
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Jan-30-11 | | tharsitis: Happy birthday mister Spassky:) |
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Jan-30-11 | | diagonal: Happy Birthday to the oldest living Chess World Champion, Boris Spassky, and good health to you, Prodigy with a never seen before universal style and always a true Sportsman. |
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Jan-30-11 | | Everett: <Eduardo Bermudez: From january 1st 1960 to december 31 1970 the percentage between total games and defeats: Robert J. Fischer :341 games- 28 defeats, for 8.2 %; Tigran Petrosian :595 games- 43 defeats 7.2 % ; Boris Spassky :609 games- 33 defeats 5.4 % !!> Wow. |
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Jan-30-11
 | | kamalakanta: Happy Birthday to Boris Spassky!
When he played his Candidates match against Robert Byrne in Puerto Rico (1974), I was moving the pieces in the demonstration board. What an honor! He had such a presence! Majestic! And I will never forget his Queen sacrifice in the opening, playing the Breyer with the Black pieces! what a thrill! R Byrne vs Spassky, 1974 |
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Jan-30-11 | | SufferingBruin: By all accounts that I've read, a wonderful man. Many happy returns. |
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Jan-30-11 | | WhiteRook48: happy birthday |
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Jan-30-11 | | Ken MacGillivray: Happy birthday to a real champion, and an outstanding ambassador for our game!! |
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Feb-01-11 | | Pyke: Interview with Boris Spassky held on his Birthday; discussing his current health status, and some thoughts on Wijk an Zee, Carlsen and Nakamura. (unfortunately only german)
http://www.chessbase.de/nachrichten... |
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Feb-01-11
 | | alexmagnus: Comparing Nakamura to a "little Japanese tank" was quite tasteless... |
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Feb-01-11
 | | keypusher: <alexmagnus: Comparing Nakamura to a "little Japanese tank" was quite tasteless...> I dunno. Here's a little Japanese tank for comparison. http://www.tankmuseum.org/ixbin/ind... |
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Feb-01-11 | | theagenbiteofinwit: <Comparing Nakamura to a "little Japanese tank" was quite tasteless...> Grow up. He also called Carlsen a Viking pirate chess-robber, and he's a fan! |
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Feb-01-11
 | | tamar: Glad to see Boris still is coming up with the zingers. Makes you wonder what he privately called Bobby. |
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Feb-01-11
 | | Phony Benoni: For me, "tanks" implies a style which tends more toward brute force than the elegance of a player like Spassky. |
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Feb-01-11 | | M.D. Wilson: <Eduardo Bermudez: From january 1st 1960 to december 31 1970 the percentage between total games and defeats: Robert J. Fischer :341 games- 28 defeats, for 8.2 %; Tigran Petrosian :595 games- 43 defeats 7.2 % ; Boris Spassky :609 games- 33 defeats 5.4 % !!>
Wow.>
Wow, indeed. Why was Bobby rated higher for much of that period then? A flawed system? |
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Feb-01-11 | | talisman: ok...if you look at the knights in Naka's picture, you can see that they are facing forward. the knights look like tanks, Naka looks Japaneese, Boris is getting old...it's all good. |
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Feb-02-11
 | | alexmagnus: <Why was Bobby rated higher for much of that period then? A flawed system?> Well, Elo system exists only since 1970. Chessmetrics is completely different (#1 in Chessmetrics from 1960 to 1970: Oct 1958 - Apr 1961 Tal
May 1961 - Jan 1964 Petrosian
Feb 1964 - Mar 1965 Fischer
Apr 1965 - Aug 1965 Tal
Sep 1965 - Dec 1965 Korchnoi
Jan 1966 - May 1966 Spassky
Jun 1966 - Jul 1966 Tal
Aug 1966 - Jul 1974 Fischer. |
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Feb-02-11
 | | keypusher: <M.D. Wilson: <Eduardo Bermudez: From january 1st 1960 to december 31 1970 the percentage between total games and defeats: Robert J. Fischer :341 games- 28 defeats, for 8.2 %; Tigran Petrosian :595 games- 43 defeats 7.2 % ; Boris Spassky :609 games- 33 defeats 5.4 % !!> Wow.> <Wow, indeed. Why was Bobby rated higher for much of that period then? A flawed system?> Because he won a lot more often than Petrosian and Spassky, too. |
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Feb-03-11 | | M.D. Wilson: Certainly more than Petrosian, but Spassky's drawing percentage wasn't high then, as became the case in the 1980s. He had many wins indeed. |
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Feb-03-11
 | | keypusher: <M.D. Wilson: Certainly more than Petrosian, but Spassky's drawing percentage wasn't high then, as became the case in the 1980s. He had many wins indeed.> According to this database, in the 1960s Boris Spassky's record was: +254-43=310 That's 51% draws.
Fischer's record was:
+323-68=144 That's 27% draws.
Conclusion: Spassky's drawing percentage was much higher than Fischer's in the 1960s. Why argue about a simple question of fact, using vague words like "high" and "many"? How high is high? How many is many? Why not just figure out the answer? |
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Feb-03-11 | | M.D. Wilson: As you know, this is an incomplete database. As you seem to like looking up numbers, why don't you work out Spassky's drawing percentage in the 1960s, compared to, say, the 1980s? |
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Feb-03-11
 | | keypusher: <M.D. Wilson: As you know, this is an incomplete database. > It would have to be a lot more incomplete than it is to bring Fischer's drawing percentage for the 60s anywhere near Spassky's. Go find a more-complete database and run the numbers yourself if you're curious. I suspect you know what you will find, though. <As you seem to like looking up numbers, why don't you work out Spassky's drawing percentage in the 1960s, compared to, say, the 1980s?> I don't enjoy looking up numbers. I dislike pointless arguments about easily-resolved questions. Spassky's drawing percentage in the 1980s is higher than his drawing percentage in the 1960s, I'm sure. How much higher? I don't know, and I don't care. |
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Feb-03-11 | | Everett: Conclusion: Fischer's lack of draws and higher percentage of wins results in a higher ELO. A worthwhile comparison between the two may possibly be summed up by their treatment of Larsen in their individual candidate matches. In both '68 (vs. Spassky) and '71 (Fischer), Larsen got blitzed 3-0 in the beginning of the match. At this point it seems Spassky relaxed and cruised to victory, finishing +4-1=3. Fischer, as we all know, kept up the pressure til the end, finishing 6-0. Of course, Larsen passing up the repetition in Game 6 helped keep the shut-out intact. |
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