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| Feb-03-11 | | kingfu: I see Fischer as Roy Batty from Blade Runner.
Fischer won at Chess, OBVIOUSLY, no debate required. He beat Spassky in both matches. The second match was for money, not chess. I think Spassky had more FUN. Did Fischer EVER have fun?
Spassky lived in the south of France, having a great life. Bouillabaisse, French wine, The Riviera, nice weather and NICE. Any updates on Spassky and how he is doing?
Hey wait. Are we actually trying to put Boris Spassky and the Fischer Monster into some kind of FORMULA? I hope AYFKM? |
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| Feb-03-11 | | Everett: I'm not text savvy enough to know what AYFKM means... |
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| Feb-03-11 | | kingfu: Are you Fairly Kidding me?
Although you may, at your convenience, substitute any F word for fairly. Forgeddiaboutit?
Fortunately.
Fox News.
Fischer.
Have some fun. |
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| Feb-03-11 | | Everett: No, not at all! I really don't know... sorry!
But now I got it! ;-) |
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| Feb-04-11 | | I play the Fred: Is there a decent English language "Life and Games" book on Spassky? The only one I've heard of was van Reek's, and apparently it really does van Reek. |
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Feb-04-11
 | | plang: There is Bernard Cafferty's "Boris Spassky: Master of Tactics" though this is mostly a games collection with a 20 page forward by Leonard Barden. |
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| Feb-04-11 | | ReneDescartes: I have an old collection in descriptive notation by Soltis, written when Spassky was still world champion (!). That gives a weighty turn to the games, and reminds you to take him more seriously than I think we now do, knowing that only two years later Fischer was to develop superhuman powers and burn up both Spassky and himself. The annotations are verbal with some variations, in the older style of, say, Reinfeld. Though Soltis' spongy prose doesn't have the sparkle, or the slightly portentous drama, of Reinfeld's, it wa Soltis's first book and he clearly worked hard on it. |
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| Feb-04-11 | | kingfu: Hey, Everett
No problem. I was just trying to be flip (another F word) about F words. My favorite F word:
FREEDOM!
No apology necessary. We are always making up ways to swear without being censored. Here is another one:
ROTFLMAO
Rolling on the floor laughing my #$% off.
It seems as if the internet has a language.
Do you speak Internet? How about good old fashioned English! Question: Why do people TEXT when you could just CALL THEM ON THE PHONE?? Also, how do you type on those little, little keyboards? My fingers do not fit! I am barely savvy at internet myself. |
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| Feb-04-11 | | kingfu: ReneDescartes,
Number 1. Great user name! Let us go way back to when mathematics was done with paper and pencil! Thanks for the Spassky book info. Unfortunately, I bet that book has been out of print since before The Reagan Administration! I buy every chess book upon which I can lay my hands! |
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| Feb-04-11 | | Everett: Didn't Raetsky produce a book called Spassky: Master of Initiative or somesuch? Ahh... found some.
http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Spass... http://www.amazon.com/Spassky-Hardi... |
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| Feb-05-11 | | ReneDescartes: OK, that interview in German is wonderful. I always loved Spassky's metaphors. I once saw him on television describing what it was like to play a young Kasparov. He said "Playing him you feel you are being hit with waves of energy. His pieces are infused with an incredible energy, maybe atomic energy." Here, he clearly means to express his distaste for Nakamura. Asked "Hikaru Nakamura has already won [Wijk}. What do you have to say about that?", Spassky replies "Honestly I don't find his chess to be so hot. For me he is the least interesting player." --"Why?" --"He plays a very odd game, like a little Japanese tank. I root for other grandmasters." On the other hand he says he always roots for Carlsen; Carlsen is a "chess robber, a pirate, even a real Viking." Carlsen "is the youngest of them and already understands chess so well. That is especially pleasing to me in the young." |
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| Feb-06-11 | | Everett: How did Spassky describe Fischer's chess? Now I'm curious as to what he thought about everyone elses games. |
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Feb-06-11
 | | HeMateMe: A Boris auto bio would be a welcome addition to chess. |
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| Feb-06-11 | | kingfu: Apologies again, Everett.
For I do not have any specifics.
FOCUS, help!
Let us just say that Fischer was highly opinionated!
Spassky was more down to This Planet. One of the most famous moments between Fischer and Spassky happened in the 1972 World Championship. I believe it happened after Game 5 but don't quote me. Fischer won in brilliant style. Spassky got out of his chair, took a step back and applauded with the rest of the spectators. Fischer was emotionally affected and ran from the stage! There have been many amazing moments in our Chess World. ENJOY! |
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| Feb-06-11 | | diceman: <kingfu: One of the most famous moments between Fischer and Spassky happened in the 1972 World Championship. I believe it happened after Game 5 but don't quote me. Fischer won in brilliant style.> Game 6. |
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| Feb-06-11 | | ewan14: Good sportsmanship true
As regards the chess I think the game is way overated Boris handed Bobby the white squares on a plate. Unbelievable ! And apparently this was another game where he ignored Geller's , etc , opening advice Why ? |
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Feb-06-11
 | | Peligroso Patzer: <kingfu: *** One of the most famous moments between Fischer and Spassky happened in the 1972 World Championship. I believe it happened after <Game 5> but don't quote me. Fischer won in brilliant style. Spassky got out of his chair, took a step back and applauded with the rest of the spectators. *** > Actually, it was Game #6: Fischer vs Spassky, 1972 |
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| Feb-06-11 | | kingfu: Thanks, diceman and peligroso
For having my back.
ewan14,
Good point. Since Geller had a plus score with Fischer, Boris should have listened to Efim. |
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| Feb-06-11 | | AnalyzeThis: <Well, Elo system exists only since 1970.> Actually, that's not quite true. The Elo system was around in the early 1960's, and had Bobby Fischer on top then as well. It was in 1970 or so that it became the official rating system - which doesn't affect the validity of the previous numbers. |
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Feb-06-11
 | | alexmagnus: I've never seen inofficial Elo lists prior to 1969. There was that list in "the ratings of chess players" book but that were 5-year averages, not actual ratings (and there was no 5-year average for Fischer, only his "present" rating was given). |
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| Feb-06-11 | | ReneDescartes: <Everett: How did Spassky describe Fischer's chess? Now I'm curious as to what he thought about everyone elses games.> During this same interview by Mednis, I did see him talk about Fischer. He said that Fischer had an extremely beautiful style that was classical in its clarity. In speaking about the psychological pressures during the match, he said it was disturbing to realize that during a game Fischer's mind became completely lost in chess to the point that Spassky and the rest of the world around him didn't exist. Also disturbing was the fact that, at the extreme outer limit of his own thinking was a place where he could go with great effort; but Fischer could go to that same place <without> great effort. |
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| Feb-07-11 | | kingfu: Excellent, Rene!
This gives us much needed insight to The Fischer Monster. Singularity. This only exists in Black Holes!!!!!
So, Robert James Fischer was The Black Hole of Chess. Great Stuff.
This will NOT be in the movie. |
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| Feb-08-11 | | Everett: I think this is why many play chess, to momentarily get to the point that <the rest of the world around him didn't exist.> Whether it's solving a puzzle or getting absorbed in the moment of a tense game, it's this complete focus that is very freeing. But to only get that feeling from chess, or to become "addicted" to it, seems to be a danger for some. |
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| Feb-09-11 | | drnooo: not sure who said it here but he said that the two greatest natural talents of the last century were Capa and Spassky, and he just might have a point when you look at Spassky up to when it was no longer fun being wC. Even Tal in his prime couldnt whip Boris. And for sure until the match Fischer sure as hell couldn't.
The early Spassky, man o man, what a percentage of wins. His laziness was legendary, in that sense he was a sortakinda copy of Capa. |
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| Feb-10-11 | | ReneDescartes: To hear Spassky talk about it, it was as if he had detected a strong current of something inhuman in Fischer's concentration--something on the edge of madness, perhaps, a degree of sealing off that was truly frightening to the fundamentally sensitive, aesthetically alive, good man that was and is Spassky. And I don't think Spassky's intuitions were off. On the contrary, I trust them implicitly. I think it's a bit hard to claim that Spassky's natural talent was on the level of Capablanca's. Spassky went through a period of doldrums when he was struggling, unlike Capablanca. But if you took the ratio of effort (off the board) to achievement, perhaps, yes. Another parallel is that both succumbed when trapped in a prolonged struggle with an opponent with an overwhelming will to win. It's one thing to have an intense game for a few hours; quite another to have the entirety of your life dominated by a symbolic struggle to the death for weeks or months with the likes of Alekhine or Fischer. |
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