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| Nov-29-04 | | square dance: for anybody that owns '100 selected games' by botwinnik i was wondering how many, if any french defense games are in there. also any reviews would be helpful as im thinking about ordering it. |
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Nov-29-04
 | | Benzol: <square dance> I think getting hold of a copy of it is well worth the effort. There are 15 games out of the 100 that are French defences and Botvinnik is both White and (mainly) Black in these games. |
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| Nov-29-04 | | square dance: <benzol> thanks for the info. much appreciated. |
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| Dec-04-04 | | Backward Development: lost emperor: I thought the discussion you had on your profile was very interesting so here's my two cents. I would have Botvinnik fight for me. why? i think the devil would be quite harmless against his stonewall and french defenses. and i think his 'ruthless' soviet training would help him adapt to the conditions of hell very quickly. he's a positionally motivated player, yet also one who's not afraid of a slugfest, he's the only person to be WCh Three times, and....
i don't think that lucifer's horns would be quite as scary as the combination of his whole image(glasses, evil glare) and the former KGB agents coming out of the lake of fire to his side. so give Dr. Botvinnik my vote!:) |
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| Dec-04-04 | | iron maiden: To play the devil for my soul, I think I'd choose Jesus H Christ. |
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| Dec-04-04 | | Backward Development: very good choice! now there's just the question of whether he would do until the devil as he would have done unto him. |
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| Jan-07-05 | | fred lennox: Lasker started a tradition. After loosing the World Champion to Capablanca, Lasker, the defeatest, proclaimed chess is dead. Capablanca being classier, proclaimed chess is dead as World Champion. Fisher followed suit, in his enigmatic, adrupt and straightfoward manner. Botvinnik, true to his form, was more subtle and complex. He wanted to built a computer that would beat anybody so no one would want to play chess anymore. As it turned out, computers made chess more popular. Botvinnik was still happy with the computer. It may of felt like a son to him. |
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| Jan-22-05 | | Backward Development: dac:
I didn't mention all of the matches he played, because it would become rather redundant, as it seems now. < helost it in 1957 to Vasily Smyslov and regained the title the following year, then losing it again to Mikhail Tal in 1960 and once again regaining it the following year, etc.>. It may have sufficed to simply list the year in which he gained the title and how old he was when he lost it. There were already plenty of names present up there when i listed pupils of the Botvinnik school. and lastly, he didn't beat Paul Keres in a match as it seems in the bio, Keres was simply another title contender present at the Tournament. He got the title only from winning that tournament. |
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Feb-16-05
 | | offramp: A lot of people seem to think that the FIDE rules for World Championships - partially formulated by Botvinnik - seemed to excessively favour the holder. That might be so but the results don't favour the holder. Here are the results between Botvinnik and Kasparov: Botvinnik v Bronstein draw
Botvinnik v Smyslov draw
Botvinnik v Smyslov loss
Smyslov v Botvinnik loss
Botvinnik v Tal loss
Tal v Botvinnik loss
Botvinnik v Petrosian loss
Petrosian v Spassky win
Petrosian v Spassky loss
Spassky v Fischer loss
Fischer v Karpov loss
Karpov v Kortschnoi win
Karpov v Kortschnoi win
Karpov v Kasparov I draw
Karpov v Kasparov II loss
That is +3 -9 =3 |
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| Mar-10-05 | | aw1988: Now, I will not go on lecturing about you-know-who retiring. But there have nonetheless been some interesting things. Topalov goes down in history for beating Kasparov in his very (assuming we believe he really is never coming back) last game, 2005 is Garry Kasparov's last tournament, his last tournament win, and his last loss, win, and draw, A much more obscure one: Kasparov is writing his Predecessor book currently on Karpov. Kasparov calmly retired, and Karpov is the king of calm, In his very last game, Kasparov used his traditional Sicilian, and got defeated by a "boring" opening (the Sicilian is normally very exciting), His last game was decided by a blunder (last game, blunder, throwing it *all* away), Now, these curiosities are just for fun, and they crossed my mind before writing the main point of this: I wonder how Botvinnik would feel as Kasparov's teacher and later on his assistant if he knew he had retired at 41. |
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| Mar-16-05 | | vonKrolock: quote of the day <Chess is the art which expresses the science of logic.
--- Botvinnik > is notable in it's aparent simplicity: Chess stablishes communication directly to brain in a more effective way than other artistic manifestations... |
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Mar-16-05
 | | Joshka: <chessgames.com> Yes! Great quote for today!! Thanks:-) |
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| Mar-16-05 | | dragon40: Botvinnik's "100 Selected Games" is indeed a treasure and one special book! Botvinnik really annotates the games deeply and brings something special to each of them. I really admire Botvinnik, in spite if the Soviet/KGB/and other backing that he might or might not have had, he was a true talent and was able to acheive much even after losing (permanently, this time) the Wworld Cchess Championship to Petrosian in 1963.
The games he played in the latter part of the 1960's and those tournament results, which for the most part was outstanding, were even more amazing because most of the analysis and game preparation was done by him years earlier!
He had mainly left "professional" Chess to persue his main love of Engineering ( he never claimed nor was, in my opinion, a Chess professional due to his constant work in the enginnering field) at that time and was able to still be respectable when he played! The last games he played in the legendary "USSR versus the Rest of ther World" in 1970...the USSR barely won, but Botvinik, who had only by the skin of his teeth, was reluctantly given the last board...scored one of the highest in that tournament which was crucial to the USSR's success! (+2=2).
Say what you will about this man, but the was a truly remarkable Chess talent and Champion. When anyone studies the game, be SURE to take a look at Botvinnik's games, you will be in for a rich treat! |
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| Mar-16-05 | | Backward Development: a few words about Botvinnik:
"If you play Botvinnik, it is even alarming to see him write his move down. Slightly short-sighted, he stoops over his score sheet and devotes his entire attention to recording the move in the most beautifully clear script; one feels that an explosion would not distract him and that examined through a microscope not an irregularity would appear. When he wrote down 1.c2-c4 against me, I felt like resigning." – Hugh Alexander "Yes, I have played a blitz game once. It was on a train, in 1929." – Mikhail Botvinnik "Botvinnik almost makes you feel that difficulty attracts him and stimulates him to the full unfolding of his powers. Most players feel uncomfortable in difficult positions, but Botvinnik seems to enjoy them. Where dangers threaten from every side and the smallest slackening of attention might be fatal; in a position which requires nerves of steel and intense concentration, Botvinnik is in his element." – Max Euwe "Botvinnik tried to take the mystery out of chess, always relating it to situations in ordinary life. He used to call chess a typical inexact problem similar to those which people are always having to solve in everyday life." – Garry Kasparov "I can only think when I am calm." – Mikhail Botvinnik "He has become a real school of how to avoid superficiality." – Bobby Fischer (on Botvinnik) "We all view ourselves as Botvinnik's pupils, and further generations will learn by his games." – Tigran Petrosian |
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| Mar-18-05 | | PinkPanther: <offramp>
How can you really count Fischer-Karpov as a loss? |
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Apr-07-05
| | Joshka: Anyone have experience (good or bad) with
a system called the Botvinnik Formation?
In IM Jeremy Silman's "The Complete Book of Chess Strategy", he gives this formation as a weapon against just about anything that black would open up with. pawns on a2,b2,c4,d3,e4,f2,g3 and h3.
knights on c3 and e2.
Bishops on e3 and g2.
Rooks on a1 and f1.
king on g1. Any comments would be appreciated. thanks:-) |
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| Apr-07-05 | | Dick Brain: <Joshka> I've played that with reverse colors as black quite a few times against closed sicilian players (but not necessarily with the h-pawn move). I learned it long-long ago from Al Horowitz's book "Chess Openings" and have been happy enough with it so that I never felt the need to learn any other system against the closed sicilian. I guess you could also play this with White against anything starting with 1. c4, but it seems it would be sub optimal to set up a queenside stonewall in defences where Black plays an early c6 or e6. The Botvinnik formation has been fairly popular with White in recent years after 1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6. |
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| Apr-09-05 | | WorldChampeen: It seems Botvinnik played the Queen's Gambit with regularity; however I note it often occurred in a way, rather than calling it a transposition; it kind of comes off to me, like a device that would keep your opponent on their toes ... 1. Nf3 2. c4 or d4 (ex. Botvinnik vs A Poliak, 1938 ) And I certainly note Petrosian did this as well.
Truly Korchnoi may as well; but I don't believe it is in the same spirit, Korchnoi's aims may indeed be to play an English or a Reti. |
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| Jun-05-05 | | Hanzo Steel: Ivan Lendl = Mikhail Botvinnik of tennis |
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| Jun-05-05 | | ughaibu: Joshka: Is that a system for queen odds? |
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| Jun-05-05 | | azaris: How can you play the same thing against anything Black can possibly play? How could it possibly work? Why does Silman bother recommending something like this? |
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Jun-14-05
 | | BishopBerkeley: <Backward Development> The quote from Hugh Alexander on Botvinnik you posted on Mar 16, 2005 is very funny indeed! (Last line: "When he wrote down 1.c2-c4 against me, I felt like resigning.") :) (: ♗ Bishop Berkeley ♗ :) |
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| Jul-03-05 | | suenteus po 147: Has anyone noticed that out of the first 19 games of Botvinnik's in the database, 18 are wins?!?! (the other is a draw!) That's a heck of a way to start your professional chess career! |
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| Jul-03-05 | | WMD: Gulag Botvinniko. |
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| Jul-04-05 | | James Tiberius Kirk: < Backward Development > Is Hugh Alexander "CHO'd Alexander", are they the same person? I have a book about the 72 Fischer Spassky match by CHOD that is pretty good. I read they had it in stores days after the match ended, one of the first examples of aggressive publishing in the chess world. |
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