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Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik 
Photograph copyright © 2007 Milan Kovacs (www.milankovacs.com)  

Number of games in database: 3,249
Years covered: 1984 to 2024
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +549 -171 =959 (61.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1570 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (154) 
    A15 A14 A17 A13 A16
 Sicilian (147) 
    B90 B33 B30 B92 B52
 Queen's Pawn Game (109) 
    D02 A46 E10 D05 D00
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E92 E94 E91 E81
 Reti System (101) 
    A04 A06 A05
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D18 D12
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (270) 
    B33 B30 B31 B62 B65
 Ruy Lopez (182) 
    C67 C65 C84 C78 C95
 Queen's Gambit Declined (123) 
    D37 D35 D38 D39 D31
 Semi-Slav (110) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D48
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Nimzo Indian (81) 
    E32 E21 E34 E54 E46
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2001 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 1995 0-1
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   New York PCA/Intel-GP (1994)
   Belgrade Investbank (1995)
   Hoogovens Group A (1998)
   Amber Blindfold (2003)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Dortmund Open-A (1992)
   World Cup (2013)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Tata Steel Masters (2018)
   Sao Paulo Latin American Cup Open (1991)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1991)
   Biel Interzonal (1993)
   Manila Olympiad (1992)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
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   Kramnik - My Life and Games by jakaiden
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   Vladi Kramn'd Fredthebear Full of White Russian by fredthebear
   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Vladi Others by fredthebear
   My Life and Games (Kramnik/Damsky) by Qindarka
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   0ZeR0's Favorite Games Volume 75 by 0ZeR0
   Vladimir, the Conqueror by Gottschalk
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG

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   Svidler vs Kramnik (Sep-26-23) 1-0, rapid

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 49 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion - and former top ranked player in the world - Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000, he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov, then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. Kramnik relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991, Kramnik won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> Kramnik finished equal first in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed second on tiebreak, behind Andrei Kharlov. He came third ex aequo in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for a share of first and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9.

<World> Kramnik's early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1½-4½, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3½-4½. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3½-5½ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) in London by the score of 8½ to 6½ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <"He is the hardest player to beat in the world.">

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2½ -1½ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4½ to 6½ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vasyl Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guaranteed qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund Sparkassen (2007), Dortmund Sparkassen (2009) and Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in Linares (2003) (shared) and Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus Group A (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8½ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Grand Slam Chess Final (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund Sparkassen (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund Sparkassen (2015). He saw out the year with equal third, scoring 6.5/9 at the powerful Qatar Masters (2015), half a point behind the joint leaders Magnus Carlsen and the rising Chinese star Yangyi Yu. Kramnik started 2016 with equal third on 5/9 at the Norway Chess (2016) behind Carlsen and Aronian respectively after also coming third in the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2016) used to determine the draw. Several months later in July he placed =2nd (with 4/7) behind Vachier-Lagrave at Dortmund Sparkassen (2016). Kramnik's year in standard time chess finished with a reasonably efficacious equal third at the London Chess Classic (2016), a point behind the winner Wesley So.

In April 2017, Kramnik was second on tiebreak ahead of co-runners up Wesley So and Veselin Topalov at the category 21 Gashimov Memorial (2017), scoring 5/9, half a point behind the winner Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Two months later he again placed equal second, this time at the category 22 Norway Chess (2017), scoring 5/9 alongside Hikaru Nakamura, a point behind the winner Levon Aronian.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until Turin Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Dresden Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Tromso Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia. He played board two for Russia in the Baku Olympiad (2016), scoring individual gold for his board, and team bronze with his countrymen.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik participated in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, in 2005 and again in 2015 and 2016. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team in 1998 and 1999, winning team silver in 1999. Since then, he played for NAO Paris in 2005, winning team bronze and for the Siberia Novosibirsk team in the European Club Cup (2015) and European Club Cup (2016) winning team gold in 2015 as well as an individual gold for board 1.

At the Russian Team Championship (2015), Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning gold for that board; his effort also helped his team to win gold. He repeated his individual effort in the Russian Team Championship (2016), this time helping his team to a bronze medal in the double round robin 5-team contest.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2½:1½.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4). From late November to early December 2016, he played a rapid and blitz match against Yifan Hou at the Kings Tournament in Romania, winning both by significant margins, the rapid by 4.5-0.5 and the latter by 6/9 (+5 -3 =2).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14½/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15½/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3½:2½, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.

Kramnik came in equal 5th with 10/15 in the World Rapid Championship (2015), 1.5 points behind the winner Carlsen, and half a point behind the joint runners up Nepomniachtchi, Radjabov and Leinier Dominguez Perez. He followed up the next day with equal second alongside Vachier-Lagrave scoring 15/21, half a point behind the outright winner Alexander Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2015).

Ratings

Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter's successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion's successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Group A (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Last updated: 2023-11-23 11:45:25

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-0311984BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-1311984BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-1521985KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov 1-0381986BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-1491986Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-0181987Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-1371987USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
8. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-0321987GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
9. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-0341987GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
10. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-1251987URS-chT U14A52 Budapest Gambit
11. Yakubovsky vs Kramnik  0-1511987URS-chT U14B23 Sicilian, Closed
12. Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-0421988URSB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
13. Kramnik vs Danislian ½-½601988URS-chT U18B15 Caro-Kann
14. M Golubev vs Kramnik 0-1381988URS-chT U18B33 Sicilian
15. Kramnik vs Yakovich ½-½141989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
16. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½351989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
17. A V Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-1401989Chigorin Memorial-BB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
18. Kramnik vs A Panchenko ½-½601989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
19. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½171989Chigorin Memorial-BD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
20. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½121989Chigorin Memorial-BA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
21. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-0371989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
22. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½521989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
23. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½221989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
24. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-1381989Chigorin Memorial-BB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
25. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½471989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
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Dec-28-11  drik: <shach matov: you're again being contradictory: if you accept that GK was in a very bad form then how can it be anything but a fluke?>

He was in bad form in the 2000 match - but his lifetime score against Kramnik in classical games (-5 +4 =40) suggests that even in normal form he would have struggled. No contradiction.

<Now remember that this is not my argument but yours - by accepting one of GK's opinion you have to accept others.>

This is an interesting use of the word 'remember'. Read the thread. I said that I believe Kasparov on Kasparov - but not Kasparov on anything. I used those very words.

YOU are the one being inconsistent - by accepting GK's word that he 'went mad' against Kramnik; but refusing to accept his word that his prime was 99. You accept a statement which MIGHT be self-serving ... but reject a statement which is not. No explanation? Are you simply going to ignore any paragraphs for which you have no answer? Are you one of those players who keeps the clock pressed down, even after being told they are in check?

Dec-28-11  M.D. Wilson: Carlsen and Aronian are the future of chess. Both will swap the World Title, I imagine. As much as I like him, as Champion, Anand's days are numbered, but I think he'll beat Gelfand. I still think Kramnik has a shot at becoming WC again, and I hope he does, as I believe he is becoming a great icon of the game and displays, by some margin and when hungry, the strongest chess acumen.
Dec-28-11  frogbert: <I am under the impression that the 1980s games of the Karpov vs Kasparov matches were generally of higher quality than the games they played in the 1990s. Unfortunately this hypothesis can't be proven or falsified except by intensive, preferably computer, analysis.>

it's also about the kind of games and positions they played. personally i find several of the games from the first match in 1984 very dull and conservative. nobody took any chances and there were multiple uneventful draws. such games lead to fewer clear mistakes, but are they then automatically "high quality"? i think that's partly a philosophical question.

more important, though - we were discussing <kasparov's> level, not the combined level of karpov + kasparov, which is what you get from comparing kk match games from the 80s with those from the 90s.

this is in fact an excellent example of the problem here when one tries to assess "absolute level" in a game like chess, which basically consists of duel after duel after duel. success is always decided by your relative level compared to your peers/contemporaries, and therefore we're mostly left with our assumptions about general development patterns - in chess as a sport or with individuals <in general> as they progress through life. but "general" or "average" patterns can't be fed back and applied to specific individuals. try this, for instance: how much weaker is an 80-year old compared to a 30-year old? by some statistical analysis we might arrive at an answer - but try applying it on korchnoi, and you'll be busted.

<The 1990s generation is still on top of the chess world when it comes to the world championship cycle. Yet this same generation of excellent players could not surpass the aging Kasparov - Karpov tandem in the 1990s>

aging? forget about karpov for a moment (but remember that he <reduced> the relative distance to kasparov after being further behind in 1989-90.) kasparov was <27 years old> in 1990. that's 2-3 years younger than the current aronian, who's still considered to be "promising" and "improving" for natural reasons.

if kasparov in his late 20s and his early 30s was an "aging man", what kind of verdict would you give the prominent top 10 of july 1984 then? (the list i posted yesterday)

and returning to karpov, your "1990 generation" did indeed surpass him before the 90s ended - karpov grew too old or too lazy or both, remember he's 12 years <older> than kasparov and really from a different generation of players (in several ways).

being at the top of the world at 21 (like kasparov and carlsen managed to) is still <far from being normal>, and in 1990 for instance ivanchuk and anand were only 21, shirov was 18, gelfand 22 and kramnik and topalov were only 15! aronian only joined the elite at 23 for comparison, and was clearly better (more stable at a high level) at 28 than 5 years earlier.

when have players born in 1985, 1986 and 1987 started to really become visible on the elite radar? for the majority only around 2009-2010, with radjabov being a big exception rather than anything like the rule. only last year, at 22-23 did nakamura start coming closer to the top 10.

i don't find it strange at all that a player like kasparov, at the top of his career (imo, during the 90s), was able to defend against younger players without his combined education and experience (like the kk-matches in the 80s) - and opening preparations.

(to be continued)

Dec-28-11  frogbert: (continued, re vbd)

i think your arguments (about age) can be turned around completely: the fact that kasparov in his late 20s and his 30s (until 2002-2003) held up so well, and that the "next generation" also had most success in their late 20s and in their 30s (shirov, topalov, kramnik, and to notable extent also anand and gelfand) simply tells us that very few players get within reach of their "max-level" before they are 25.

carlsen and kasparov being where they were at just a little over 20 is highly unusual, and even for them it's quite unrealistic to assume that their best chess aren't/weren't yet to come. in the case of kasparov i'm absolutely convinced that he developed a lot as a player after (but also during) the first kk-match in 1984.

<I think that so far, only Carlsen among today's rising stars has the potential to reach the level that Karpov and Kasparov had attained. And he had not attained this in the 2000s.>

but carlsen isn't the one who should fill that "role" in the 2000s - that role belonged to kramnik, anand and topalov for the best part, but also to a lesser degree ivanchuk and aronian. that's a 3- (or 5-) headed monster, compared to a 2-headed one!

and in this "analogy", carlsen must be rather likened to kasparov in the late 70s instead of karpov+kasparov in the 90s.

personally i think the trio kramnik+topalov+anand represented as much of a challenge to leko (born 1979) and those younger than him as kasparov+karpov represented to those born 1968 to around 1975-77 (then we include svidler, polgar and moro too). and <i also think that kramnik/topalov/anand during the 2000s reached the <<<average>>> level we saw from the kasparov/karpov duo during the 90s>. in absolute terms.

problem is: neither of us can prove much here. it's "i feel this" and "you think that". but i think there's a clue related to when players possibly can be in their "mythical prime". the chess history has many more examples of highly successful players in their 30s and 40s than of successful players in their early 20s - but i think <both> are perfectly possible! even for the same players, in certain, seldom cases. :o)

Dec-28-11  drik: <frogbert: my performance profiles are graphs that map opposition rating (x-axis) to rating performance (y-axis) (with an easy extension being breaking this down on colour too).>

I believe it's important to add colour into the mix. Karpov's biggest problem in matching Kasparov's tournament success was his inability to win on demand with black. I also believe it is important to add draws to the data set - since matches can be decided by drawing out. The result is a 6-dimensional tensor of probabilities - which sounds nightmarish, but a lot of the math already exists for working out the eigenstates of systems with angular momentum. This introduces some of the basic 1-dimensional ideas, but has references for higher dimensions methods normally used to analyse magnetic permeability or biaxial stress -

Tensor rank-one decomposition of probability tables
citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.-
1.67...rep...

However, I wouldn't agree with dividing the opponents into rating bands. The strength of the discretized approach is that it can detect characteristics not obvious to the user. If you impose your own boundary conditions, you could lose information.

For instance - Kasparov is particularly devastating against aggressive tactical counterattackers like Shirov & Anand. They play like him - but he is better at it than they are. He has much more difficulty against specialists in defense, prophylaxis and endgames like Karpov & Kramnik. All four of these opponents have roughly comparable ratings - yet Kasparov's results against them are spectacularly different. Something that Elo & your system would miss - but a full tensor method would not.

If you wanted to reduce the array sizes, you might consider classifying players according to style. These guys analysed the world champions style, by breaking it down into several parameters such as complexity and precision -

http://www.ailab.si/matej/doc/Compu...

Perhaps these parameters are more appropriate for classification than rating?

Dec-28-11  frogbert: <However, I wouldn't agree with dividing the opponents into rating bands.>

i don't, actually. :o) i use sliding windows of a given sample size, so that each data-point (except the most extreme ones) are part of 20+ different samples. i don't force any buckets.

Dec-28-11  Pravitel: <frogbert: similarly, why do you consider the 90s to be stronger than 00s? at least during 2006-2011 there have been an explosion in fresh talent joining the elite that even trumps the surge we saw in the 90s, with you know, the "usual suspects" joining karpov, kasparov and the "left-overs" from the 80s.

remember: if you would've made up your status in 1999, the list of accomplishments by shirov, gelfand, ivanchuk, kramnik, topalov and anand would've looked rather different than it does now, in 2011.>

Anand played two WC matches in 90s, Kamsky one and played on the candidates final in the PCA-cycle. The new generation in 00s haven't played in any WC match(well Leko did, but I don't quite know where to put him), instead even 2012 match is being played between the 90s generation players. In the 90s there was a real breakthrough to the(then truly elite) 2700 club, first one being our current title challenger Gelfand, then Ivachuk, Shirov, Anand, Kramnik, Salov and Kamsky. Before them there were only 2 above 2700. The 00s was clearly dominated by the 90s generation on the whole, only in the late Carlsen and Aronian were able to shake things up.

For the 2010s you will probably be able to make a better argument for being a stronger decade than 90s. The 90s golden generation will still be quite formidable for the first half of the decade and the new blood will breakthrough forcefully.

Dec-28-11  frogbert: <Anand played two WC matches in 90s, Kamsky one and played on the candidates final in the PCA-cycle. The new generation in 00s haven't played in any WC match>

carlsen was 10 years old at the <end> of 2000, nakamura and radjabov were 13 (at the end of the year), while karjakin was nearly 11 - so i don't consider that to be very strange. :o)

kasparov's presence in the 00s was almost on par with karpov's presence in the 90s, btw. when kasparov retired in 2005 he was still world number one, while karpov was about to drop out of top at the end of the 90s.

Dec-28-11  frogbert: <For the 2010s you will probably be able to make a better argument for being a stronger decade than 90s.>

for the record, i didn't try to argue that the 00s were a "stronger decade" than the 90s (and i honestly object to the entire decade-by-decade categorization too, as i feel it doesn't give any useful insight to segment the chesshistory like that).

<Anand played two WC matches in 90s, Kamsky one and played on the candidates final in the PCA-cycle. The new generation in 00s haven't played in any WC match>

btw, the existence of multiple (well, two) parallel cycles/titles in the 90s that allowed more chances to qualify to some wc-final shouldn't really be used against anyone coming later, i think. :o) only anand made it (once) to play for the so-called "classical title".

the wc cycles of the 00s have been a total mess, but they also have given the topmost players from vbd's "90-generation" a <huge advantage> over the younger players - in short if you weren't an established top 5-10 player by july 2004 (read: anand, kramnik, topalov, svidler, moro, etc) or had not been given a golden opportunity that you took great care of (read: like kramnik in 2000), then you were basically at an enormous disadvantage throughout the rest of the decade in terms of world championship qualifications and participation.

"qualification rules" to the 2005 and 2007 wc tournaments, plus the unification mess with its extended opportunities to kramnik and topalov (and a lesser degree kamsky after he won the 2007 wcc) produced a totally uneven playing field for the rest of the decade.

the history of the world championship title(s) from 1993 to 2010 is actually a very good reason why measuring <strength> between generations in terms of number of wc finals reached is a rather bad idea, i think.

and btw - aronian won exactly the kind of short knock-out matches event back in 2005 that qualified anand to his "wc-final" against karpov. except that unfortunately in 2005 this feat only provided aronian with one of 16 places in a candidates "semi-final" (were he was lucky to meet one the strongest players among the 16, young carlsen at 16), and after 2 x 6 game matches aronian was still only one of 8 qualified to play a wc <tournament>.

so, for aronian in 2005-2007:

winning
7 short knockout-matches
2 matches with distance 6 games
= being one of 8

anand in the 90s:
winning
7 short knockout-matches
= being one of 2 in <"wc-final">

moving on, for aronian in 2008-2011:
winning grand prix over
3 events of 13 rounds each (min 39 games)
= 1 of 8 <candidates>

while, topalov
qualifying by rating
winning 1 strong tournament (14r)
= wc final against kramnik

directly "qualified" to new match:
winning 1 match of 8 games (kamsky)
= wc final against anand

seems a bit unfair to aronian, doesn't it? :o)

Dec-28-11  frogbert: <only anand made it (once) to play for the so-called "classical title".>

oh, sorry - that's unfair to shirov, who also qualified to play kasparov. shirov was 27 in 1999, btw. it's rather irrelevant that the match never took place.

Dec-28-11  Chessinfinite: <Anand played two WC matches in 90s, Kamsky one and played on the candidates final in the PCA-cycle. The new generation in 00s haven't played in any WC match(well Leko did, but I don't quite know where to put him), instead even 2012 match is being played between the 90s generation players. In the 90s there was a real breakthrough to the(then truly elite) 2700 club, first one being our current title challenger Gelfand, then Ivachuk, Shirov, Anand, Kramnik, Salov and Kamsky. Before them there were only 2 above 2700. The 00s was clearly dominated by the 90s generation on the whole, only in the late Carlsen and Aronian were able to shake things up.

For the 2010s you will probably be able to make a better argument for being a stronger decade than 90s. The 90s golden generation will still be quite formidable for the first half of the decade and the new blood will breakthrough forcefully. >

Beautiful. Nicely captured.

.. only to be attacked by a long-ish post..(sorry frogbert). I liked your overall analysis, good work for sure, but allow me to put in a few thoughts. I think Aronian imo ,in particular does not shine so well here, given that he is nearly 30 and has not yet reached even the final stage of any qualification. In contrast, both Anand and Kramnik challenged Kasparov at the age of 25 or so.. and it is not that he did not have any chance... sorry to say he could not even overcome Grischuk in the last one.. now one can go on making 'excuses' about the format, but i think Aronian unfortunately loses out in the WC cycles. He does show the greatest promise still (the other one being Carlsen).

Comparing Aronian to Anand in WC's is ridiculous to say the least.. Anand won 2 KOs btw , not 1 , maybe your forgot to notice it, frogbert ? Also FWIW, Anand was semifinalist in the one he did not win, what is more? , Anand has won 2 World cups ( in Hyderabad and Shenyang) more than Aronian..

I am also of the opinion that the current generation has it much easier in the so called KO qualifications, or shortened 'classical matches' as opposed to the classical matches of the 90s.

I am inclined to believe that the 90s bunch of players were indeed stronger, and it was harder to survive in that pack, today only Carlsen and Aronian have emerged as real contender material, though neither has shown anything in World Championship events till date.

Dec-28-11  Chessinfinite: <the history of the world championship title(s) from 1993 to 2010 is actually a very good reason why measuring ><strength>< between generations in terms of number of wc finals reached is a rather bad idea, i think.>

Here we go again, I think personally , if anything it should read <the history of the world championship title(s) from 1993 to 2006 ....... etc >, no ?

Dec-29-11  shach matov: <drik: but his lifetime score against Kramnik in classical games (-5 +4 =40)>

You're being hypocritical once again: why are you counting the two games when you yourself say GK was in terrible form? GK leads Kramnik by +4-3 in their tournament score (which I consider irrelevant anyway).

<I said that I believe Kasparov on Kasparov - but not Kasparov on anything. I used those very words.>

First, I don't accept your idea of believing some opinions (which are convenient for your argument)and not others - it's pure hypocrisy. Second, even if I accept your differentiation, he still said he was in a very bad form; this means that the circumstances were highly unusual (for GK in particular) and thus the result was a fluke BY DEFINITION! Fluke: <A chance occurrence; an accident>. It can certainly be argued that Kramnik did a good job in taking advantage of the circumstances and plaid well; but this can't possibly change the fact that his opponent was in a terrible form and thus, at least from the perspective of GK, it was certainly a fluke. So if you believe what GK said, you have to believe it was a fluke.

Dec-29-11  polarmis: <schach matov>, I posted this before but as you ignored it here it is again. Not a "paraphrase" from Kasparov, but his own words at the end of his chess career, when he should be far enough away from the match to look at it fairly objectively: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

<I never said my loss to Kramnik was an accident, and won’t. If you look at our results before and after the match it looks that way, but he won fair and square. He was better prepared and he did something good for chess. He moved the game forward; he had some great ideas that enriched our understanding of chess.>

Personally I think the "before and after" is nonsense (Kramnik matched Kasparov over his whole career, and his long unbeaten run before the match meant it was no enormous surprise that Kasparov didn't win a game), but in any case, Kasparov isn't claiming he was in terrible form or that he "went mad", as you keep writing.

Dec-29-11  acirce: Kasparov has said that he was in amazing form going into the match. There is simply no basis for the opposite claim. He looked bad in some games during the match, obviously, but it had to do more with Kramnik's excellent play and preparation than with anything else.
Dec-29-11  Mr. Bojangles: <Kramnik matched Kasparov over his whole career, and his long unbeaten run before the match meant it was no enormous surprise that Kasparov didn't win a game>

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Dec-29-11  JoergWalter: Guys, whatever you say with the best reasons in the world, it is <Shach matov> who will be the jury. Even Kasparov may be of a different opinion, <shach matov> has the final word. And you know his mantra.
Dec-29-11  King Death: < polarmis: ...Not a "paraphrase" from Kasparov, but his own words at the end of his chess career, when he should be far enough away from the match to look at it fairly objectively...>

This is the key, to have some objectivity. The fact that we're in the middle of all of this stuff going on makes it hard to appraise things. Today there's instant everything and it gets hard to see the forest for the trees because there's so much detail at every level.

It's real easy to get lost in it and declare that (for example) Carlsen's the greatest young thing or that he needs to make some adjustmemts (after he loses a game or two). If Carlsen finishes -1 in his next event, some of the pundits will be out there telling us that he's in a slump and so forth plus analyzing every move with those engines and declaring that they could have played way better.

Dec-29-11  shach matov: <polarmis: but in any case, Kasparov isn't claiming he was in terrible form or that he "went mad", as you keep writing>

This is absolutely incorrect: I remember distinctly when he said it's up to Kramnik to prove that Kasparov didn't just go mad! If that's not a claim of a fluke result, I don't know what is. I don't remember where I red it but I am sure somebody else has seen it.

<acirce: Kasparov has said that he was in amazing form going into the match.>

We know for sure that he was very much troubled and distracted during the match because of family issues, related to custody of children or something like that. And indeed his behavior during the match was rather crazy with the insistence on continuing to play the busted Berlin or the no less insane 11 and 14 move draw offers - all completely uncharacteristic behavior.

Dec-29-11  acirce: <We know for sure that he was very much troubled and distracted during the match because of family issues, related to custody of children or something like that.>

For the millionth time you are claiming that you "know" something about Kasparov that is contradicting Kasparov's own words. Aren't you starting to feel just a little bit silly? Anyway, both this and the Berlin/short draws issues have been discussed at length many, many times and it never leads anywhere.

Dec-29-11  Petrosianic: That's the Cardinal Rule of Excuses. You never admit their uncertainty. To use them at all, they've got to be gospel.
Dec-29-11  shach matov: Well it is a fact that there were serious family related issues during the match - why do you try to deny it?

<Anyway, both this and the Berlin/short draws issues have been discussed at length many, many times and it never leads anywhere.>

How do you then explain such behavior? Why continuously play an opening which was obviously much better prepared by you opponent? Many were shocked and bewildered to see him try to break the Wall with his head; most armatures understood how ridiculous it was; and you think the foremost opening expert in the world was completely sane when he behaved like that? That's what I call silly.

And the 11 and 14 move draws were completely uncharacteristic and crazy when he was down in the match. This is not the behavior of someone who is in a good psychological form, to say the least.

Dec-29-11  acirce: <Well it is a fact that there were serious family related issues during the match - why do you try to deny it?>

There had been for a while. Kasparov did say he was troubled by it. One year before the match, that is. In 2000 he stopped being troubled by it. If it started to disturb him again during the match for some reason, that's something you don't and can't know, and it's very silly to assume it.

As for the rest, I'm sure I will return to it again the next time it pops up, or the next time after that, or the next time after that.... We discussed the Berlin thing relatively deeply just a few weeks ago.

Dec-29-11  shach matov: <acrice: For the millionth time you are claiming that you "know" something about Kasparov that is contradicting Kasparov's own words>

No contradiction at all! Show me one comment by GK where he said that he was in good form during the match (not prior to the match in 99 or 2000, but DURING the match).

Dec-29-11  shach matov: <There had been for a while. Kasparov did say he was troubled by it. One year before the match, that is. In 2000 he stopped being troubled by it>

Please show me where he said that, do you have a quote?

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