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Peter Svidler
Svidler 
 

Number of games in database: 3,487
Years covered: 1989 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2682 (2669 rapid, 2684 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2769
Overall record: +638 -260 =1243 (58.8%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1346 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (505) 
    B90 B30 B31 B51 B45
 Ruy Lopez (303) 
    C78 C65 C84 C67 C92
 French Defense (142) 
    C11 C07 C18 C10 C02
 Sicilian Najdorf (121) 
    B90 B92 B93 B91 B95
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (113) 
    C84 C92 C95 C89 C99
 Caro-Kann (96) 
    B12 B18 B17 B10 B13
With the Black pieces:
 Grunfeld (364) 
    D85 D80 D97 D86 D91
 Sicilian (346) 
    B90 B42 B40 B46 B43
 Ruy Lopez (212) 
    C78 C84 C92 C89 C95
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (143) 
    C84 C92 C89 C95 C90
 King's Indian (132) 
    E60 E94 E63 E95 E61
 English (83) 
    A15 A10 A14 A16 A13
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Svidler vs Adams, 2000 1-0
   Kamsky vs Svidler, 2011 0-1
   Svidler vs Topalov, 2006 1-0
   Svidler vs Topalov, 2004 1-0
   Svidler vs Bareev, 2004 1-0
   Aronian vs Svidler, 2006 0-1
   Svidler vs Anand, 1999 1/2-1/2
   Svidler vs Kasimdzhanov, 2005 1/2-1/2
   Svidler vs Kramnik, 2005 1-0
   Morozevich vs Svidler, 2005 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   St. Petersburg (1994)
   Russian Championship (2003)
   Gibraltar Masters (2009)
   Pepe Cuenca Invitational (2020)
   World Cup (2015)
   Wydra Memorial (2000)
   World Cup (2011)
   FIDE Online Steinitz Memorial (2020)
   World Cup (2009)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   World Cup (2013)
   World Cup (2017)
   Russian Team Championship (2000)
   Yerevan Olympiad (1996)
   Groningen Open (1993)

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   Exchange sacs - 2 by Baby Hawk
   Exchange sacs - 2 by pacercina
   Exchange sacs - 2 by obrit
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   Power Chess - Svidler by Anatoly21
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   Najdorf, English Attack by Retarf
   Najdorf, English Attack by AdrianP

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PETER SVIDLER
(born Jun-17-1976, 49 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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International Master (1991); Grandmaster (1994); World U18 Champion (1994); Eight-time Russian Champion (1994, 1995, 1997, 2003, 2008, 2011, 2013 and 2017); World Cup champion (2011); Candidate (2013, 2014 & 2016).

Early years

Peter (also spelled Pyotr) Veniaminovich Svidler (Russian: Пётр Вениами́нович Сви́длер) was born in Leningrad, Russia and learned chess at age six. His first trainer was Vyacheslav Nikolaevich Styazhkin. Andrey Lukin has been his trainer since 1993.

Championships:

<Age>: Svidler tied for =1st at the 1992 U16 World Championship that was held in Duisburg Germany, but ultimately placed 2nd or 3rd on tiebreaker behind the winner Ronen Har-Zvi. Also in 1992, he tied for 1st with Rahim Gasimov in the last USSR Junior Open Chess Championship. He won the 1994 U-18 World Youth Chess Championship in Szeged, Hungary.

<City and National>: Svidler won the championship of St. Petersburg in 1995. He first won the Russian Championship in 1994, and did so again in 1995, 1997, Russian Championship (2003), Russian Championship Superfinal (2008), Russian Championship Superfinal (2011) (with a round to spare), Russian Championship Superfinal (2013), and Russian Championship Superfinal (2017). He finished =4th in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2004) the first and last Russian Championship won by Garry Kasparov, shortly before Kasparov's retirement; =4th in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2005) 4th in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2006) outright second, a half point behind Alexander Grischuk in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2009) and =3rd, a half point behind Sergey Karjakin and Ian Nepomniachtchi and alongside Grischuk in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2010). In 2012, he came =1st in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2012), but ultimately placed 3rd in the round robin Russian Superfinals (Tiebreak) (2012) used to determine the final placements. He did better in the 2013 Superfinal, placing =1st at the alongside Ian Nepomniachtchi who beat Vladimir Kramnik to draw level in the final round, but then Svidler won the blitz tiebreaker 1.5-0.5 to take the title for the 7th time. He scored 4.5/9 in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2014), placing =3rd in a low scoring event. His record eighth win in the national championship was in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2017), when he defeated Nikita Vitiugov in a tiebreak, after both scored 7/11.

<Continental>: Svidler's only foray into the Continental championship was at the European Championship (2011), where he placed =5th (8th on tiebreak) with 8/11 a half point behind Vladimir Potkin, Radoslaw Wojtaszek, Judit Polgar and Alexander Moiseenko. This sole excursion into this event appears to have been prompted by his possible need to qualify for the World Cup (2011) should he not be seeded into that event by rating.

<World>: Svidler's first entry into the World Championship cycle came in October 1995 when he won the Russian Zonal in Elista to qualify for FIDE's World Championship Knockout Tournament in 1997 in Groningen, the winner of which was to immediately meet the incumbent FIDE World Champion, Anatoly Karpov, who was directly seeded into the final. Svidler was seeded directly into round 2, but was eliminated in round 4 by finalist Michael Adams, after defeating Utut Adianto and Vladimir Epishin in rounds 2 and 3. In July 1998, Svidler again qualified from the Russian Zonal (the 1997 Russian Championship, which he won), to play in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999). Again seeded into round 2, he defeated Aleksej Aleksandrov before losing to Kiril Georgiev in round 3. Yet again seeded into round 2 of the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000), Svidler was again eliminated by Adams in round 4, after beating Etienne Bacrot and Xiaomin Peng in the earlier rounds. He reached the semi-finals of the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2001/02) after beating Alejandro Hoffman, Sarunas Sulskis, Vadim Milov in the first 3 rounds before avenging himself on Adams in Round 4. He proceeded to defeat Boris Gelfand in the quarter final but finally bowed out to the eventual winner, Ruslan Ponomariov, in the rapid game tiebreaker of the semi finals. In the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) in San Luis, Svidler tied for second place with Viswanathan Anand, behind only Veselin Topalov. His San Luis result earned him direct entry to the World Championship Tournament (2007). In that tournament he scored 6½ out of 14, placing 5th out of eight players.

The unification of the world title that came with the Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) followed by the 2007 Candidates Matches and 2007 World Championship Tournament produced a new and unified, if occasionally chaotic, world championship cycle. Svidler participated in the World Cup (2007) in Khanty-Mansiysk overcoming Eduardo Iturrizaga Bonelli, Dusko Pavasovic and Sergei Rublevsky in the earlier rounds before succumbing in round 4 to the eventual winner, Gata Kamsky. Svidler reached the quarter finals of the World Cup (2009) before losing to Vladimir Malakhov, but not before defeating Jean Hebert, Tomi Nyback, Arkadij Naiditsch and Alexey Shirov in the earlier rounds. He did not participate in the 2008-09 Grand Prix series. Svidler's most successful result so far has been winning the World Cup (2011) he qualified for this event on the basis of his rating (although his results in the 2011 European Championships would have also done the trick), and defeated Darcy Lima, Ngoc Truong Son Nguyen, Fabiano Caruana, Gata Kamsky, Judit Polgar, Ruslan Ponomariov and Alexander Grischuk to win the Cup and qualify for the World Championship Candidates (2013), where he placed 3rd with 8/14, winning on tiebreak ahead of Aronian because of his plus score against that player in the event, and finishing half a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen and runner up Kramnik.

Svidler's win at the World Cup 2011 qualified him for the World Cup (2013), where he defeated Anna Ushenina in the second set of rapid tiebreakers (ie: the 10+10) in the first round, Moldavan #1 GM Victor Bologan in first tiebreaker of the second round and Azeri GM, former Candidate Teimour Radjabov in the third round and Vietnamese GM Le Quang Liem in the Round of 16 (round 4). However, he lost to compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the quarter final (round 5), exiting the contest. He scored 5.5/11 in the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2012) to place =7th and earn his first 50 Grand Prix points. His 2nd GP event was at FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013), but his =8th only earned him another 45 GP points, eliminating him from the race for the first two places. (1) However, once the Russian Federation won the bid to host the World Championship Candidates (2014) in Khanty-Mansiysk, he was selected by the Organizer as its nominee to be the 8th Candidate in the event. There he scored 6.5/14 to place =6th (7th on tie break).

Qualifying by rating for the 2014-2015 Grand Prix series portion of the 2016 World Championship cycle, Svidler's first result was 6/11 placing him at 3rd-7th in the FIDE Grand Prix Baku (2014), thereby opening his tally by scoring 82 Grand Prix points. However, his poor result at the FIDE Grand Prix Tbilisi (2015) destroyed his opportunity to finish in the top 2 of the shortened Grand Prix series. After a strong start in the final leg at FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015), Svidler lost momentum to finish in the middle of the field.

Nevertheless, Svidler qualified by reason of rating to play in the World Cup (2015). He needed to finish in the top two to qualify for the Candidates Tournament of 2016, and did so: in the early rounds, he defeated Turkish GM Emre Can, Romanian-German GM Liviu-Dieter Nisipeanu, Azeri GM Teimour Radjabov and former FIDE World Champion Veselin Topalov to advance to the quarter final. There he defeated Wei Yi in the second set of rapid tiebreakers to win by 3.5-2.5 and advance to the semi final where he defeated Anish Giri in the standard games 1.5-0.5 to make it into the final against Sergey Karjakin. This qualified him for the next World Cup in 2017 and to participate in the Candidates Tournament in 2016. In the final against Karjakin, Svidler led in the extended match format by 2-0 before Karjakin hit back with two wins to level the standard time format 2-2, taking the match to tiebreakers. The two continued exchanging blows through the rapid games, tying each pair of games 1-1 before Karjakin defeated Svidler in the blitz games 2-0. The total score in the final was 6-4 in Karjakin's favor, with every game being decisive.

Classical Tournaments:

Svidler has an impressive list of tournaments which he won or shared first place including the first Linares Anibal Open in January 1994 (1st), =1st alongside Vadim Zvjaginsev, Vladimir Akopian, Grigory Serper and Jaan Ehlvest at the St. Petersburg Chigorin Memorial 1994; Novosibirsk 1995 (=1st); Torshavn Nordic Grand Prix 1997 (1st); Tilburg Fontys (1997) (1st); =1st (2nd on tiebreak) at Dortmund Sparkassen (1998) Esbjerg 2000 North Sea Cup (1-2nd); Biel 2000 (1st); Los Inmortales IV 2002 (1st); Aeroflot Open (2003) (=1st alongside Victor Bologan, Aleksej Aleksandrov and Alexei Fedorov), 1st with 6/9 (tiebreak from Joel Lautier) at the Karpov Poikovsky (2003) =1st with Vladimir Kramnik at Dortmund Sparkassen (2006) 1st at the Bunratty Masters in 2008 and 2009; and 1st at Gibraltar Masters (2009) with 8/10. Other outstanding results include, 2nd at Biel (2001) behind Viktor Korchnoi, 7/9 at the Great Cup Nazir Atallah – Boca Chica Beach in Santa Domingo in Dominican Republic – 0.5 behind Igor Khenkin 2nd at the 2003 Bermuda Invitational 7.5/11, a half point behind Giovanni Vescovi =3rd at Dortmund Sparkassen (2004) with 5.5/10, half point behind Arkadij Naiditsch and Viswanathan Anand =2nd with 5/9 at Dortmund Sparkassen (2005), half a point behind Naiditsch; and 3rd at San Sebastian 2009. He fared poorly at the Alekhine Memorial (2013), scoring only 3/9, doing little better at the Norway Chess (2013), scoring 4/9.

Team events:

Svidler's first taste of a major team event was during the match between Leningrad and Moscow held in Leningrad in October 1989, when as a 13 year old he substituted to play a game for Leningrad: Leningrad won the match 45-35.

<Olympiads>: He won five team gold medals in the Olympiads of 1994, 1996, 1998, and 2000, and in the Bled Olympiad (2002) a team silver in the Calvia Olympiad (2004) and in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) and one individual bronze medal 1996. He also played board 3 for Russia in Tromso Olympiad (2014), but fell short of a team bronze on tiebreak.

<National team member>: His national representation has been as follows:

He played for Russia in the inaugural China-Russia Summit Match of 2001, which Russia won and again at the Russia - China Match (2008) and at the China - Russia (2015), both of which Russia lost. At the Russia - The Rest of the World (2002) match won by the Rest of the World by 52-48, he won silver playing on board 6. He achieved outstanding results at the World Teams Championship in 1997 where he won team and individual gold on board, the World Teams Championship in 2001 where he won team silver and individual bronze, at the World Team Championship (2005) where he again won team and individual gold this time playing on board 1, and at the World Team Championship of 2011 where he won individual gold on board 1.

Svidler also achieved outstanding results in the European Team Championship 1997 where he won team silver and individual bronze; team gold in 2003; European Team Championship (2005) where he won individual silver; European Team Championship (2007) where he won team gold and two individual golds, one each for board results and performance; and European Team Championship (2009) where he won team silver. He was also a member of the Russian team at the European Team Championship (2011). At the European Team Championship (2013) and playing board 2, Svidler won team bronze and individual silver.

In 2004, a match was held in honour of the 75th anniversary of the birth of former World Champion, the late Tigran Petrosian, between Armenia and the Rest of the World; Svidler played for the Rest of the World team which narrowly won by 18.5-17.5, Svidler winning two and drawing four.

<Club>: Svidler has played in every Russian Premier League season from 1995 until 2015 except in 1999, 2004, 2006 and 2007. His team has been Sankt Petersburg except in 1996 and 2005, and he has always played on board 1 or 2. His overall medal count includes 4 team golds, 2 team silver, 6 team bronzes, 3 individual golds, 2 individual silvers and 1 individual bronze. He has also played in every European Club Cup from 1995 until 2014 except for a hiatus in 2004 and 2005, playing for Sankt Petersburg since 2009. His medal tally in the ECC is 3 team golds, 3 team silvers and one team bronze, 2 individual silvers and 1 individual bronze. Svidler has also regularly participated in other club championships, including the Bundesliga, the French, Belgian and Spanish leagues/team championships, and in the Four Nations Chess League (the four nations of the United Kingdom). In 2009 and 2010 he also participated on the Experience Team in the NH Tournament vs the Rising Stars.

Match:

Svidler drew a 6-game match with Vadim Zvjaginsev in St.Petersburg in 1992, and in June 2012 he played the 4-game Cez Trophy: Navara - Svidler (2012) match, winning by 3-1 (+2 =2) to take the CEZ Trophy. The 7th Voronezh International Chess Festival (ALFA-ECO Cup) took place in June 2003, and Svidler beat Konstantin Chernyshov 2.5-1.5 in a 4-game standard match and 3-1 in a rapid match.

Rapid:

Svidler made it to the final four of the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), but lost to the eventual winner of the event, Anand, in the semi final. In 2004, he made the final and was runner up in the 17th Cuidad de Leon (2004) behind the winner Alexey Shirov. In 2006 he placed second behind Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2006) in Rishon Lezion, Israel, with 10½ points out of 15 games and in 2009, he was runner up in the ACP World Rapid Cup (2009), losing in the final to Gelfand.

In 2010, at the Copenhagen Chess Festival and to celebrate Bent Larsen turning 75, Svidler and Nielsen played a 6-game rapid match (the Larsen Rapid) concurrent with the main event, the Politiken Cup. Svidler won 4.5-1.5 (+3 =3). They then played a 20-game blitz match which was divided into two halves: the first 10 games were to be played using the Larsen Opening (1.b3), while the 2nd set of 10 games allowed players' choice of openings. Svidler won the first half by 7-3 (+6 -2 =2) and drew the second half 5-5 (+3 -3 =4), for an overall victory in the blitz by 12-8.

In the World Blitz Championship (2010), Svidler placed 8th out of 20 with 19.5/38. In the World Blitz Championship (2012), he again placed in the middle of the field with 15/30. At the St. Petersburg Rapid Cup (2012), Svidler came =1st with Leinier Dominguez Perez, taking 2nd on tiebreak. He competed in the World Rapid Championship (2014) and the World Blitz Championship (2014), scoring 10/15 (=6th) and 13/21 respectively. In July 2014, he also defeated Gelfand by 5-3 in a match played in Jerusalem.

FischerRandom:

Svidler won the first edition of the Chess960 Open held in Mainz, Germany in 2003 becoming the Chess960 World Champion by beating Peter Leko in an 8-game match by 4.5-3.5. He successfully defended his title twice, defeating Levon Aronian in 2004 and Zoltan Almasi in 2005, before losing it to Aronian in 2006.

Personal:

Svidler is a fan of cricket; his handle on the Internet Chess Club server is Tendulkar (the name of India's top cricketer). He is married with two sons. He's an Honoured Master of Sport in Russia. His musical tastes include Bob Dylan and Tom Waits and his favourite authors are Fyodor Dostoevsky, Martin Amis, Paul Auster, J. D. Salinger, Philip K Dick, Kurt Vonnegut and Neal Stephenson.

Ratings and rankings:

While he was still 18, Svidler appeared in FIDE's top 100 list in January 1995 where he has remained ever since. He was in the top 10 for almost the whole period 2003-2010 and was ranked as high as #4 on several occasions in January 2004 and 2006. In May 2013, Svidler's rating was 2769, his highest rating so far (although he was only world #9). He first crossed the 2700 mark in 1998, and has remained above 2700 continuously since April 2003.

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012%E2%80%932013; Personal website: http://www.psvidler.net/; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Peter Svidler; https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast... (audio podcast with Ben Johnson (February 2017)); Extended Q&A in December with Svidler on crestbook: http://www.crestbook.com/en/node/1364 and http://www.crestbook.com/en/node/1390

Last updated: 2025-07-14 06:01:03

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. E Maljutin vs Svidler  1-0431989Voroshilovgrad opC69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation
2. Svidler vs I Polovodin  ½-½401989Voroshilovgrad opB93 Sicilian, Najdorf, 6.f4
3. A Nikitin vs Svidler  ½-½771989Voroshilovgrad opD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
4. S Galdunts vs Svidler 1-0261989Voroshilovgrad opC77 Ruy Lopez
5. Svidler vs S Kovtun  ½-½441989Voroshilovgrad opA46 Queen's Pawn Game
6. G Libov vs Svidler  ½-½221989Voroshilovgrad opA48 King's Indian
7. N Kalantaryan vs Svidler  1-0411989VoroshilovgradD85 Grunfeld
8. Z Schleining vs Svidler  0-1401989VoroshilovgradA07 King's Indian Attack
9. Svidler vs O Danielian  ½-½561989VoroshilovgradC07 French, Tarrasch
10. Svidler vs D Lapienis  0-1421989VoroshilovgradA48 King's Indian
11. Svidler vs A Raetsky 1-0501989VoroshilovgradC47 Four Knights
12. I Yanvarjov vs Svidler ½-½451989Leningrad-MoscowD91 Grunfeld, 5.Bg5
13. Svidler vs R Gasimov 1-0351990URS-ch U20D05 Queen's Pawn Game
14. R Irzhanov vs Svidler  0-1401990URS-ch U20D85 Grunfeld
15. Zvjaginsev vs Svidler 0-1631990URS-ch U20D80 Grunfeld
16. Y Frolov vs Svidler  ½-½351990LeningradA34 English, Symmetrical
17. T Gezaljan vs Svidler 0-1251990LeningradD85 Grunfeld
18. S Nazariev vs Svidler  ½-½141990LeningradA48 King's Indian
19. S Sivokho vs Svidler 1-0771990LeningradC53 Giuoco Piano
20. Svidler vs I Bajarani 1-0501990LeningradC47 Four Knights
21. Svidler vs A Cherepkov ½-½191990LeningradC47 Four Knights
22. Svidler vs S Labutin  1-0321990LeningradB16 Caro-Kann, Bronstein-Larsen Variation
23. Svidler vs V Shushpanov ½-½291990LeningradB74 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
24. Svidler vs A Sofieva  1-0721990LeningradC99 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Chigorin, 12...cd
25. Svidler vs E Solozhenkin  1-0351990LeningradB70 Sicilian, Dragon Variation
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Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: To conclude this is what we can see on this site:

<Penchons nous maintenant sur les noms plus spécifiquement juifs.> means that this ones are mainly jewishs:

<Beaucoup d'internautes nous demandent si tel ou tel nom est juif. En règle générale, cette question n'a pas de réponse car le même nom peut être porté par des Juifs ou des non-Juifs. Il y a toutefois des noms souvent portés par des Juifs et des noms rarement portés par des Juifs>

witz, vitch are mainly from jewish origin, at least in France that was my point, there are always exceptions.BUT:

<Les Noms Patronymiques

Pendant très longtemps, en dehors des Cohen et des Lévy, les Juifs ne portaient pas de noms de famille et se désignaient par le prénom de leur père et éventuellement de leur grand-père, dans le style Moïse fils d'Abraham fils de Moïse.

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Here it is your patronimic :):
<Dans les pays slaves, la filiation se marque par le suffixe Vitch ou Vicz. On retrouve donc de nombreux ABRAMOVITCH ou ABRAMOVICZ avec des dizaines de variantes orthographiques. De même SCHMULEWITZ a de très nombreuses variantes. En Roumanie, ces noms ont pris une terminaison en Vici comme ABRAMOVICI et en Lituanie des terminaisons en Vicius comme ABRAMOVICIUS.

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So two things, first, mainly jews, came from eastern countries in France. Secondly the big majority of vitch are jewish endings ( vitz is mainly a jewish patronimic if you want) because it was a jewish habit to call their people like this. Conclusion vitch is almost always jewish in France. I put the almost in your honor <euripides> :).

Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: <810609> ok thanks for the info :).

< Raskolnikov: Russia has won against Israel with 2.5-1.5. <TruthHurts> If Morozevich become a citizen of France, will his name be spelled Meaureausevitche or something like that? >

I guess that it will be Morozevitch.

Nov-02-05  euripides: <Secondly as I told before jewish eastern diaspora quite only brought, jewishs, (so with "tch" ending in their name for some of them) in france (mainly polish by the way rather than russian) and we hardly found non jewish with an itch ending, actually I didn't saw any.>

So, according to you, the former emigration from Poland into France was mainly Jewish. That implies nothing about the Jewishness or otherwise of a recent emigrant from Russia.

I repeat: I do not know the proportion of surnames in Russian ending in -'itch' that are Jewish in origin. There are some that are obviously Jewish and others that are obvously not.

Glad to hear you went to school. Not much grammar taught there, obviously.

Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: <euripides: ... but another time, <truth>, I won't bother. It is simply too boring to post correct information and be repeatedly told one is wrong.>

I agree, it happens a lot here. The only thing on which we didn't agree was on the fact that itch was jewish or not, maybe I should have put more nuances. However, though it is not always jewish at 100 pourcent, it is almost always because of jewish habits of calling their people in eastern countries. Also even if Gurevich which is a recent immigrante doesn't go into that, it was mainly jewish people who immigrate in France from the east so "vitch" became even more a jewish ending in France. I never saw an itch name from a christian origine in France, it must be rare.

Nov-02-05  Gypsy: <azaris: Gurevich is simply a russianization of Horowitz, a Jewish surname. ...> This sounds intriguing. But I can think of half a dozen ways how this name could came about a slavic language: It can be derived of 'mountain' (hora, gura), 'sorrow' (hor'e), 'fire' (hor'i'), 'forest' or 'mine' (various uses of hora, gura), even 'fowl' (kura) and perhaps some others like 'exultatition' (horovat).

If you hear a Slovak say -- "Isli sme riedkou horou." (We went though a sparse mountain.) -- he means no mountain, but forest. If you hear a Silesian say -- "Chlopi, pome do hory." (Guys, let's go into the mountain.) -- he means a mine shaft and quarying coal.

The article places the origins of the Horowitz and maybe Gurevich surnames in the Czech townhip of Horovice. That would indeed probably mean 'mountanous place' (though possibly also 'exulting place'). But as I look at the city signpost, I see it spelled with soft 'r' (with hook over the r), which turns it into a completely different word and the town into the 'place of sorrow' (though also possibly into a 'place of fires').

The ending -ic' (-ich) is common ammong the southern slavics -- Serbs, Croates, Slovenes. Western slavics (Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Luzic Serbs) use latin alphabet; central slavics (Russians, White Russians, Ukraines) use cyrilic, and southern slavics (Serbs, Chrots, Slovenes, Bulgarians, Macedonians) are divided; eg., Serbs and Bulgarians use cyrilic while Chroats and Slovenes latin alphabet.

Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: <So, according to you, the former emigration from Poland into France was mainly Jewish. That implies nothing about the Jewishness or otherwise of a recent emigrant from Russia.

>

Of course this is what I wrote:
<Also even if Gurevich which is a recent immigrante doesn't go into that, it was mainly jewish people who immigrate in France from the east so "vitch" became even more a jewish ending in France. I never saw an itch name from a christian origine in France, it must be rare.>

You are confused with when I talk about jewish in France and Gurevich case which is only about itch being mainly a jewish ending or not, while in France it is also about the jewish diaspora and how mainly jews of this eastern countries came in FRance.

That implies that in France as I said many times now it is almost always...

<I repeat: I do not know the proportion of surnames in Russian ending in -'itch' that are Jewish in origin. There are some that are obviously Jewish and others that are obvously not.

>

But I guess the proportion of surnames in Russian ending in -'itch' that are Jewish in origin: As you can see here:
<Pendant très longtemps, en dehors des Cohen et des Lévy, les Juifs ne portaient pas de noms de famille et se désignaient par le prénom de leur père et éventuellement de leur grand-père, dans le style Moïse fils d'Abraham fils de Moïse.

>
http://www.genealoj.org/texte/page1...
Calling their people this way, with a "patronimic" (lol), was a jewish habit, this is why the big majority of names ending in vitch are jewish names. And I know it by the thoery and also by the facts, because I never found a christian "vitch" in France.

<Glad to hear you went to school. Not much grammar taught there, obviously. >

Grammar in french is not grammar in english. Also I have so much to write to answer you (and I should not have to do mainly because it is often obvious or because I agree or because you mixed things that I said to tell something that I never said), and in an other language than mine, that I leave the grammar and my rigorousness in spelling, it would take to much time to correct, and to think to a proper english because I have not the same relexes than in french. I have only 2,5 or 10 minutes to conitnue the discussion with you by answering your post.

I guess the confusion between my level in english(which is good by the way if I only had the time to write properly) and my level in grammar was just a provocation because you were upset. I won't offended then :).

Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: <If, as you say, most French people with names in 'itch' are Jewish this may reflect a high Jewish proportion in emigration from Slavic countries. It does not follow that Russian surnames formed from this kind of patronymic are all Jewish. >

And by the way, anyway, there was also a polish non jewish immigration in France. And their names are not at all like "vitch" or whatever. They sound like "NOvak", "Juskoviak", "ak" ending etc,"pa" ending, with often some "k"'s do you remind the french soccer player Raymon Kopa. I repeat "vitch" is almsot always jewish.

Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: <I have not the same relexes than in french> reflex

<I won't offended then :).> I won't be. :D

Nov-02-05  TruthHurts: <The ending -ic' (-ich) is common ammong the southern slavics -- Serbs, Croates, Slovenes. Western slavics (Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Luzic Serbs) use latin alphabet; central slavics (Russians, White Russians, Ukraines) use cyrilic, and southern slavics (Serbs, Chrots, Slovenes, Bulgarians, Macedonians) are divided; eg., Serbs and Bulgarians use cyrilic while Chroats and Slovenes latin alphabet. >

Of course and this was also my point, their translation is somehow always in french (ich) while it should be wrote "itch". I guess that yougoslavian immigrants changed their name themselves and while they didn't know very well the french, changed "ic" into "ich"

Nov-02-05  AdrianP: Another win for Svidler today, Gelfand-Svidler 0-1 (Gruenfeld)
Nov-02-05  notyetagm: Here is Svidler's Gruenfeld victory over Gelfand from today at the World Team Championship:

[Event "World Team Ch"]
[Site "Beer Sheva ISR"]
[Date "2005.11.02"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Svidler,P"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2717"]
[BlackElo "2740"]
[EventDate "2005.11.01"]
[ECO "D85"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Nf3 c5 8. Rb1 O-O 9. Be2 cxd4 10. cxd4 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qxa2 12. O-O Bg4 13. Be3 Nc6 14. d5 Na5 15. Bg5 Qa3 16. Re1 Rfd8 17. e5 h6 18. Bf4 Bf5 19. Rc1 Qb3 20. d6 exd6 21. exd6 Qxd1 22. Rexd1 Nc6 23. Bb5 Bd7 24. Be3 a5 25. Bb6 Re8 26. Rc4 Nb8 27. Ba4 Bxa4 28. Rxa4 Nd7 29. Bc7 b6 30. Kf1 f5 31. Rb1 Re4 32. Ra2 Rc4 33. Bxb6 Rb8 34. Nd2 Rxb6 0-1

Nov-03-05  Mameluk: Am I the only one who thinks, that the only thing Svidler lacks to be Nr. 1 is ambitions?
Nov-03-05  notyetagm: Svidler won his Round 3 game today, so he is 3/3. Svidler having a great year, +3 at San Luis and now this tremendous start at the World Team Championship. Moving right up the ratings list.
Nov-04-05  AdrianP: Anyone have the moves to Ivanchuk-Svidler?
Nov-04-05  iron maiden: None of the top boards on the official site have relayed right since the tournament started. You'd think the official site would have it corrected by now.
Nov-04-05  AdrianP: <Iron Maiden> Yeah, that's been my experience as well. ICC has a live relay for members only - I don't know whether they're getting the top board moves. Anyway, the result is up now, Ivanchuk-Svidler 1/2-1/2. Chucky's put a stop to Svidler's unbroken run, but Svidler shouldn't be too unhappy with a draw as black.
Nov-04-05  AdrianP: <Mameluk> I tend to feel the same - I think Svidler's as gifted a chess-player as Anand or Topalov, but he seems to pride himself on his lack of work on his chess. Chess.Fm had a short audio interview with him at San Luis where he more or less said as much. He prefers to spend time with his family more than working on his openings.

With the White pieces, in good form, he'll win more often than draw even against the best players. My own feeling is that is that as Black he has a repertoire that is both slightly too narrow and not quite solid enough, especially against 1. d4 (the Gruenfeld, or occasionally the King's Indian), which makes it easier for his opponents to prepare against. Svidler's real strength, I think, is piece play, especially in open positions and very clear tactical vision.

Nov-05-05  Albertan: Here is Svidler's victory from round 3:

[Event "World Team Ch"]
[Site "Beer Sheva ISR"]
[Date "2005.11.03"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Svidler, P."]
[Black "Azmaiparashvili, Z."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B12"]
[WhiteElo "2740"]
[BlackElo "2658"]
[PlyCount "119"]
[EventDate "2005.11.01"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 Ne7 6. Nbd2 c5 7. dxc5 Nec6 8. Nb3 Bxc5 9. Nxc5 Qa5+ 10. c3 Qxc5 11. Qb3 Qe7 12. Bg5 Qc7 13. Nd4 Nxd4 14. cxd4 Nc6 15. Rc1 O-O 16. Be3 Qa5+ 17. Rc3 Qb4 18. O-O Rac8 19. Rfc1 Qxb3 20. axb3 Rb8 21. Rc5 h6 22. f3 Rfd8 23. Kf2 Kf8 24. g4 Bg6 25. h4 h5 26. Bg5 Rdc8 27.Ke3 Ke8 28. b4 Kd7 29. b5 Nb4 30. Kd2 Rxc5 31. Rxc5 a6 32. b6 Nc6 33. Kc3 Rf8 34. b4 f6 35. exf6 gxf6 36. Bf4 hxg4 37. fxg4 e5 38. Rxd5+ Ke6 39. Rc5 Nxd4 40. Bc4+ Kd6 41. Be3 Nb5+ 42. Kb2 Be4 43. h5 Bf3 44. h6 Be4 45. Ba2 Rh8 46. Rc1 Ke7 47. Re1 Bf3 48. Bc5+ Nd6 49. g5 fxg5 50. Rxe5+ Kd7 51. Re6 Nf5 52. Rf6 Rxh6 53. Rf7+ Kd8 54. Rxf5 Rh2+ 55. Kc1 Be4 56. Rf8+ Kd7 57. Bb3 Kc6 58. Ba4+ Kd5 59. Rd8+ Ke6 60. Re8+ 1-0

Another idea on move 45 that Svidler did not play was 44.Bxb5 ie: 44. Bxb5 axb5 45. Rc3 Ke6
46. Bc5 Rg8 47. Rxf3

Nov-10-05  DCP23: <AdrianP>, Svidler may well be even more talented than Topalov and Anand, but he is also a much more lazy fellow. Chess is not only talent, it is also hard work. And the desire to win, the sporting spirit, the killer instinct. All that he lacks. Maybe not completely, but not on a par with Topalov, who excels in those.

As for talent, the fact that he's the World Fisherandom Champion (multiple times) speaks volumes.

Nov-10-05  Albertan: Adrian P. here are the moves from the Ivanchuk-Svidler game:

[Event "WTC 2005"]
[Site "Israel"]
[Date "2005.11.04"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Ivanchuk, Vassily"]
[Black "Svidler, Peter"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2748"]
[BlackElo "2740"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
[WhiteTeam "Ukraine"]
[BlackTeam "Russia"]
[WhiteTeamCountry "UKR"]
[BlackTeamCountry "RUS"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5
4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 a6 6. Bb3 Ba7 7. h3 h6 8.Nbd2 O-O 9. O-O d6 10. Re1 Re8 11. Nf1 Be6 12. Be3 Bxe3 13. Nxe3 Qd7 14. Nh2 Ne7 15.Nhg4 Nxg4 16. hxg4 d5 17. d4 exd4 18. exd5 Nxd5 19. Nxd5 Bxd5 20. Qxd4 Bc6 21.Qf4 Rxe1+ 22. Rxe1 Re8 23. Rd1 Qe7 24. a3 g5
25. Qf5 Be4 26. Qd7 Bc6 1/2-1/2

Nov-10-05  Albertan: In case this information hasn't been posted already here is the address of Svidler's official website:

http://www.psvidler.net/

Nov-14-05  VishyFan: Svidler will gain 9.8 ELO from the World Chess Team Cup........

Biggest notable gainer is Bareev with +16.8 ELO....

Chucky gains 2.8 ELO......

Shen Yang gains 26.6 ELO.......

Dec-19-05  csmath: Heck, I'll do it.
Congratulations to Svidler for one nice and effective busting of Petroff. Every time Petroff is busted on a high level, there is a cause for cheering.
Dec-19-05  suenteus po 147: <csmath> Yes it was a good win, and important for 1.e4 theory. I find the Petrov very interesting because there is still so much potential: for black to find lines of counterplay; and for white to refute those lines of counterplay.
Dec-19-05  csmath: To remind everybody Peter Svidler also busted a Marshall attempt by Leko in San Luis in a convincing manner as well.

So maybe it takes a drawing man (recently) to bust draw openings. :-)

Keep on going Peter, glad to see him playing more active chess as he used to do when he was younger.

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