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|Oct-28-16|| ||MissScarlett: The Falkirk Herald, June 19th, 1940, p.8:
<A "Fine" Tourney: Mr H. Meek notes in London "Evening Times" :- "Reuben Fine, the famous young U.S.A. master, has recently made a tour which took him as far south as Mexico and as far north as Ottawa. He gave twenty exhibitions altogether, including blindfold, consultation and "serious" games. Out of a total number of 418 games, including 21 blindfold, Fine had the remarkable record of 393 wins, 22 draws and only 3 losses. Of the blindfold games alone, he wone [sic] 17, drew 4 and lost none. His biggest display was against 51 opponents in Mexico City, where he won 47, drew 4 and lost none - a single achievement that must rank with anything ever done by Alekhine or Capablanca. On no occasion did he lose more than one game in any display, the three losses being one each at Mexico City (another display to the one mentioned above), Chicago and Minneapolis.">
|Jan-06-17|| ||Dizzy Bishop: It is not sufficient to excel in this greatest of all games. Character is essential. Fine was an outright racist as per his undue comments against Petrosian. Fine was also a coward who gave unfounded and unbelievable excuses for chickening out of the world championship match against Botvinnik. Shame on Fine; a good player having a shameful character.|
|Jan-06-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Herald Tutt>: <petrosianic the only sad problem here is the endorsement of racism by keypusher, saffuna, perfidious and yourself. You will all be voting for Trump no doubt.>|
You've got this backwards, haven't you? It's not racist for me to disagree with you, it's racist for you to disagree with me under any and all circumstances.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Dizzy Bishop>: <It is not sufficient to excel in this greatest of all games. Character is essential. Fine was an outright racist as per his undue comments against Petrosian.>|
Calling him the weakest world champion is hardly evidence of racism. Fine was jealous of all the world champions, including Fischer, whom he also supported. Advertisements in CL&R for his (poorly written) book on the Fischer-Petrosian Match openly labeled Fine as "The Man Who Should Have Been World Champion", which is positively hilarious. It's hard to think of any other player who would say, or allow that to be said about him. It very clearly killed Fine that he never won that title so badly that he eventually tried to rationalize himself as co-world champion after Alekhine's death (based, of course, on his 2nd place finish at AVRO).
Nutty, yes (in fact, a whole book could probably be written about nutty psychiatrists). But racist? That's wishful thinking.
Fine was not cowardly for dropping out of the tournament. He simply decided, correctly, that he couldn't make a living at chess and wanted a real career. Nobody wants to end up like Schlechter. But it was dishonest of him years later to claim he'd dropped out out of dissatisfaction with a tournament format that he'd actually enthusiastically endorsed at the time.
|Jan-06-17|| ||Dionysius1: I don't agree <Dizzy Bishop>. All I find necessary for me to respect and admire an exponent of this great game is that he excel at it. His character away from the board is nothing to do with it.|
|Feb-06-17|| ||stoy: I believe that Garry Kasparov called Reuben Fine "one of the most underrated players in the history of chess".|
|Feb-06-17|| ||Howard: There was at least one other alleged reason why Fine turned down his invitation for the 1948 tournament--he suspected the three Soviets would probably collude to make sure that no outsider won the tournament.|
Yes, Fine was apparently jealous of Fischer. CL&R wrote back when his "book" on the 1972 match came out that "Fine's envy of Fischer" showed throughout the "book".
And for Fine to claim in it that it seemed "only fair" for him and Keres to be declared "co-champions of the world from 1946-48".....if that's not totally ludicrous, then I dunno what is.
|May-22-17|| ||zanzibar: There is no game of Fine's in the 2010 edition of the <Mammoth Book>.|
That's just not right!
|May-23-17|| ||Retireborn: <z> Which game(s) of Fine would you advocate for such a book?|
Fine vs Gruenfeld, 1936
is the only one that comes to mind. Perhaps he's something of a forgotten figure on this side of the pond, though.
|May-23-17|| ||zanzibar: <RB> (or is that <RR>?) - |
Fine--Dake (Detroit 1933) is a fine Fine too.
I think Fine was at one time on the path to becoming a leading contender for WCC, just before he retired.
Euwe thought highly enough of his play to include him in his <Meet the Masters> book. Maybe one of those.
In addition, Fine also wrote the "book" (take your pick - Opening, Middle Game, or Endgame).
|May-23-17|| ||Retireborn: Either will do, maybe just <r> as well :)|
I have 68 Fine games in my collection, of which he won 39 - the wins against Lasker, Alekhine, Euwe and Botvinnik are certainly impressive - but I suppose books like the Mammoth book are aiming for spectacular messy games, on the whole.
|May-23-17|| ||Retireborn: Just looked again at Fine-Dake (it's the oldest Fine game I have) and with 32.Nxf6!! it certainly qualifies.|
|May-23-17|| ||zanzibar: Here's Euwe's choices (Fine served as a 2nd to Euwe during one of his WCC matches - btw):|
<Keen and efficient play is required, in a case like this, to make the abstract advantage turn thd scale
against the concrete. Fine succeeds convincingly.>
1. Keres vs Fine, 1936
<Fine provides a magnificent specimen of positional
play in the following game, which differs from the last
in that it is his opponent who first seizes the initiative.
The way in which Fine not only parries but punishes
these attempts, gains the upper hand, and eventually
consolidates the win is indeed memorable.>
2. Fine vs Alekhine, 1937
<Now follows a game which illustrates above all
Fine's combinative intrepidity.>
3. W Winter vs Fine, 1936
<Fine excels in defence. He is almost unbeatable
when he gets into his stride. He has gone through
many tournaments, among them the exceptionally strong tournaments at Nottingham in 1936 and
Semmering-Baden in 1937, without losing a game.>
4. Botvinnik vs Fine, 1936
|May-24-17|| ||Retireborn: <z> Thanks - the Keres and Winter games are new to me.|
|Nov-27-17|| ||Jonathan Sarfati: Here is a TV interview with Fine from 1980, subtitled in Spanish. He had a strong NY accent:|
|Dec-20-17|| ||zanzibar: Doll (kibitz #1476)|
|Mar-02-18|| ||CountryGirl: Fine sure had some killer results - eg scored 79% using the NimzoIndian. Pity his competition at home was so weak - I wonder how he would have fared as a Soviet?|
|Mar-02-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: <I wonder how he would have fared as a Soviet?>|
As a Soviet, he would have been Fine.
|Mar-14-18|| ||madlydeeply: i read a Fine book wherein he referred to soviet players as using "harem scarem" tactics.|
|Mar-14-18|| ||TheFocus: <madlydeeply: i read a Fine book wherein he referred to soviet players as using "harem scarem" tactics.>|
Must have been an Elvis fan.
|Mar-15-18|| ||offramp: <zanzibar: There is no game of Fine's in the 2010 edition of the <Mammoth Book>.
That's just not right!>
Perhaps the editors thought, "There is no Reuben Fine game - it takes too much time to find a game by him which one can enjoy."
|May-31-18|| ||takchess: http://tartajubow.blogspot.com/2018...|
|May-31-18|| ||sudoplatov: We do have an estimate of how well Fine would have done in the USSR. |
Leningrad 1937 won by Fine.
Moscow 1937 won by Fine.
Neither in the database.
|May-31-18|| ||Retireborn: Fine did play in Moscow in 1946 (as part of the US team) and his observations of Botvinnik etc then may have played a part in his 1948 decision, perhaps.|
|Jun-01-18|| ||Granny O Doul: That footage linked by Jonathan Sarfati above is from "the Great Chess Movie", which is watchable on youtube and without the subtitles, at least at this moment.|
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