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Oct-27-09
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| ray keene: <parisattack> i havent seen the fischer v gligoric training games-do you have access to the moves-were there only three of them-they seem to be missing from all the standard anthologies of fischers complete games-i wd love to see them if you can get the moves!! |
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Oct-27-09
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| parisattack: Hi, Ray -
There are three in the De Lucia book - but the 50 page bio at the end of the book lists more of them. I hesitate to post them on a public board because of copyright issues. I meant to ask Mr De Lucia about this issue; will do so with an email tonight to him. Is your email still active? |
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Oct-28-09
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| ray keene: re fischer games-yes my email still functions-as before-if mr de lucia can send me all the games ( if there are more than three it wd be great) i will write a big series of features in the times and i will gladly promote his book there if he can give me the details. my times column is read more widely than any other chess column in the uk and also very widely read globally on the times website-any help you can offer deeply appreciated!! |
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Oct-28-09
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| parisattack: Hi, Ray -
I will let him know!
There is a brief review of the book on my forum a few pages back... |
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Oct-28-09
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| ray keene: is there a direct link to your review-i am of course interested in any fischer games mentioned anywhere which are not already to be found in the standard anthologies as to fischer v spassky books-the hardinge simpole reprint of the golombek book also inlcudes white knights by prof geroge steiner as well -of course-as the essay by arthur koestler where fischer is famously described as a "mimofant!!" |
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Oct-28-09
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| parisattack: Here is the link to the De Lucia review:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...
I tested it, appears to work. If not just type in Page '3' on my forum. |
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Oct-28-09
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| ray keene: sorry typo alert-previous post should of course have read prof george steiner! |
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| Oct-30-09 |
| Henrik Lindberg: I do think there is a huge general interest in some unknown games between Gligoric and Fischer from 1972. Please publish them as soon as possible at this forum - or at the Times column Ray! |
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Oct-30-09
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| ray keene: i am desperately trying to get my hands on them but nobody has sent me anything yet!! |
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| Oct-30-09 |
| TheFocus: <Ray Keene> How about I post the e-mail address for David De Lucia, which he provides in Fischer Uncensored, to you? Then you can e-mail him directly. With your influence, I am sure you may be able to convince him to publish all the Fischer - Gligoric games. I believe there are six or more. He also has four previously unknown games from the 1964 simultaneous tour. I also have four more simul games from 1964, available on the Internet, and one more that was printed in the last issue of Chess Life. None of those appear in any anthologies. |
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Oct-30-09
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| ray keene: yes pls do i wd be very grateful and i am sure i cd give him stacks of publicity in the times-also if you wd care to send me any fischer games you have i wd be only too delighted to give you any credit you wished- my emailaddress to which such games can be sent is
rdkobe@aol.com
thanks very much |
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| Oct-30-09 |
| TheFocus: <ray keene> Thank you. I will provide the games I have that are not in Fischer Uncensored. The Gligoric games and the four simultaneous games in Fischer Uncensored I will leave for De Lucia to release to you. Look for my e-mail by Monday. I will include DeLucia's e-mail address there also instead of posting it here in a public forum. I will of course tell Mr. DeLucia in my e-mail to him that I am sharing it with you. |
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Oct-30-09
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| ray keene: thanks very much |
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| Nov-06-09 |
| TheFocus: The following training games from 1992, prior to Fischer's match with Boris Spassky, were first presented in David De Lucia's book Bobby Fischer Uncensored. I and <parisattack> offer them to you with Mr. De Lucia's permission. Training Games vs. Gligoric
Time limit 91 minutes plus one minute per move.
Gligoric, S. – Fischer
King’s Indian Defense
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.Nc3 O-O 5.e4 d6 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 a5 10.a3 Ne8 11.Rb1 f5 12.b4 Nf6 13.f3 Bh6 14.Nb3 Bxc1 15.Qxc1 axb4 16.axb4 f4 17.c5 g5 18.Nb5 g4 19.cxd6 cxd6 20.Qc7 Qxc7 21.Nxc7 Ra2 22.Nc1 Rc2 23.Nb5 gxf3 24.gxf3 Bh3 25.Rf2 Rfc8 26.Nd3 Ne8 27.Bf1 Bd7 28.Rxc2 Rxc2 29.Rc1 Rc8 30.Rxc8 Nxc8 31.Nxd6 Nexd6 32.Nxe5 Bb5 33.Bxb5 Nxb5 34.Nd3 Nd4 35.Kf2 Nc2 36.e5 Kf7 37.d6 Nxd6 38.exd6 Ke6 draw. Gligoric, S. – Fischer
King’s Indian Defense
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 a5 10.a3 Bd7 11.b3 c5 12.Rb1 b6 13.b4 axb4 14.axb4 Bh6 15.bxc5 bxc5 16.Nb3 Bxc1 17.Qxc1 Nc8 18.Ra1 Rb8 19.Ra3 Rb4 20.Qe3 Nb6 21.Nd2 Ng4 22.Bxg4 Bxg4 23.f4 exf4 24.Qxf4 Rb2 25.Ra7 Bd7 26.Nf3 f6 27.Qxd6 Rxg2+ 28.Kh1 Rc2 29.Nd1 Bh3 30.Qxd8 Rxd8 31.Ne3 Bxf1 32.Nxc2 Nxc4 33.Na3 Nd6 34.e5 Be2 35.Ng1 Bd3 36.Nh3 fxe5 37.Ng5 h6 38.Ne6 Rc8 39.Rg7+ Kh8 40.Rd7 Nb5 41.d6 c4 42.Nd8 Be4+ 43.Kg1 Bd5 0-1. Gligoric, S. – Fischer
King’s Indian Defense
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 a5 10.a3 Bd7 11.b3 c5 12.Bb2 Bh6 13.Qc2 b6 14.Nd1 Bxd2 15.Qxd2 Nxe4 16.Qd3 f5 17.f4 exf4 18.Rxf4 Nf6 19.h4 Rf7 20.Nf2 Qf8 21.Nh3 h6 22.Raf1 Re8 23.Bd1 Nc8 24.Qg3 Rg7 25.Qc3 Re5 26.Qc1 Qe7 27.R4f2 Kh7 28.Nf4 Ne4 29.h5 gxh5 30.Rf3 Qg5 31.Qc2 Ne7 32.Bc1 h4 33.Ne6 Qf6 34.Nxg7 Kxg7 35.Bb2 Ng3 36.Qf2 Qg5 37.Re1 Ng6 38.Bc2 f4 39.Bxg6 Kxg6 40.Bc1 Qe7 41.Rxe5 dxe5 42.Qe1 Qg5 43.Kh2 Bg4 44.Bxf4 exf4 45.Qe8+ Kg7 46.d6 Bxf3 47.Qd7+ Kf8 48.Qc8+ Kf7 49.Qd7+ Kg6 50.Qe8+ Kf5 51.gxf3 Nf1+52.Kh1 Ng3+ 53.Kh2 draw. |
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Nov-06-09
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| keypusher: <thefocus> You should submit them to the cg.com database -- I am sure they would love it. |
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| Nov-06-09 |
| TheFocus: <keypusher> Thank you. I have submitted them already. |
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Nov-10-09
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| JaneEyre: <I and <parisattack> offer them to you with Mr. De Lucia's permission.> Why do you need his permission? |
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| Nov-10-09 |
| TheFocus: <JaneEyre> Copyright issues and mutual respect. Mr. DeLucia owned the score-sheets, therefore they were his property. If he had not given us his permission, then we would not have released them here. |
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Nov-10-09
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| JaneEyre: <Copyright issues and mutual respect. Mr. DeLucia owned the score-sheets, therefore they were his property.> He doesn't own the game scores. Permission indeed! DeLucia can get knotted. |
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| Nov-10-09 |
| TheFocus: Guess who just went on the Ignore List? |
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Nov-11-09
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| JaneEyre: Hadn't you better ask my permission before censoring me? What a piece of @#$% this kid really is. |
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Nov-11-09
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| pawn to QB4: Dear me, such language. Did you pick it up at Lowood Institution or from that Mr Rochester? |
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| Nov-11-09 |
| Jim Bartle: As I understand the law, a person may own the score sheets--the piece of paper--but the information contained on the score sheet is in the public domain. It's like the case of personal letters. If I write a letter to somebody, the letter itself--the paper--belongs to the recipient. But I can use the contents of the letter however I wish. |
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| Nov-11-09 |
| AnalyzeThis: What Jim Bartle just said regarding scoresheets is also what I've heard. |
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| Nov-11-09 |
| TheFocus: <Jim> and <Analyze> Correct, as I also wrote back in September before getting my copy. Once DeLucia published the book, the game-scores were in the public domain. Let us just say that as I and <parisattack> are chess collectors, and so is Mr. DeLucia, the delay in releasing them and the act of asking for permission here was more out of RESPECT. As long as the source is cited, you may print anyone's work, such as annotations and game-scores. |
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