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Paul List
P List 
CHESS, December 24th, 1943, p. 157  
Number of games in database: 133
Years covered: 1907 to 1953

Overall record: +55 -45 =32 (53.8%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1 exhibition game, blitz/rapid, odds game, etc. is excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 Ruy Lopez (9) 
    C77 C91 C72 C63 C84
 Queen's Gambit Declined (7) 
 Tarrasch Defense (6) 
    D33 D32 D34
 Queen's Pawn Game (6) 
    D04 D02 A50 A46
 Slav (4) 
    D10 D15 D11 D12
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (4) 
    C91 C84 C86
With the Black pieces:
 Nimzo Indian (8) 
    E38 E24 E44 E22 E21
 Queen's Pawn Game (6) 
    A46 D04 E10 D02
 Queen's Gambit Declined (5) 
    D37 D30
 French Defense (5) 
    C13 C11 C05 C14
 Ruy Lopez (4) 
    C84 C83 C80 C79
 Bogo Indian (4) 
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   P List vs J Mieses, 1927 1-0
   Kashdan vs P List, 1930 1/2-1/2
   P Schmidt vs P List, 1936 0-1
   P List vs Alekhine, 1938 1/2-1/2
   Gruenfeld vs P List, 1926 0-1
   P List vs Saemisch, 1926 1/2-1/2
   P Johner vs P List, 1926 1/2-1/2
   P List vs R L'hermet, 1927 1-0

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   25. DSB Kongress (1927)
   Frankfurt (1930)
   Berlin Cafe Koenig (1928)
   Zaanstreek (1946)
   Berlin (1926)
   London A (1946)

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   99_25. DSB Kongress (1927), Magdeburg by whiteshark
   Frankfurt 1930 by suenteus po 147
   Zaanstreek 1946 by sneaky pete
   Paul List at Ostende 1937 by jessicafischerqueen

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(born Dec-20-1887, died Sep-09-1954, 66 years old) Lithuania

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Paul (Pavel) List was born in Memel, today's Klaipeda, Lithuania into a Jewish family. (1) He had separate chess careers in the Russian Empire, Germany and England. He also played in two matches for the Lithuanian team, and one match for Great Britain. List was raised in Lithuania and spoke some Lithuanian. (2)

In the early 1900's, Pavel was living in Wilna, Russian Empire (today's Vilnius, Lithuania). (3) In 1908, the Wilna University was closed down, so List moved to Odessa, Ukraine to study at the Odessa University. The same year, he took first place in the Odessa championship with 10.5/18, qualifying for the All-Russian Amateurs tournament. (4) In January 1910, he shared 3-4th place with Stefan Izbinsky from Kiev in the first South Russian championship in Odessa. First was Boris Verlinsky, second - Efim Bogoljubov (Kiev). (5)

Paul List contributed to the revival of chess life in Odessa. He participated in local tournaments, and was an editor of the chess column of the newspaper Южная Мысль (South thought). (6) List was one of the organizers of the first South Russian championship. He persuaded the managers of the Odessa commercial chambers of the prestige of this event, and convinced them to provide 500 rubles, and a separate prize for the most beautiful game. At the summer vacation of 1910, List returned to Wilna. The Wilna Chess Club manager, Abram Rabinovich, invited Grigory Levenfish to play a match with List. The match between the two young talented players stopped after nine games (+4 -4 =1) because of the end of the summer vacation. (7)

List's real family name was Odes. Because the address on the letters he was receiving (to Odes in Odessa) was confusing, he changed his family name to List. (7) In 1911, he played in the All-Russian Haupturnier in St. Petersburg, where he tied for 15-16th (9/21). The winner was Stefan Levitsky (16.5/21). (8) In 1912, he tied for 4th with Ilya Rabinovich in the 7th All-Russian Masters' Tournament (Hauptturnier) at Wilna, with 12/18. First was Karel Hromadka (15/18), 2nd was Bogoljubov (14.5/18), and 3rd was Konstantin Raush (14/18). (9) In 1918, List was an organizer and member of the tournament committee in the Odessa championship, but didn't play in it. At this time, in the period of the Russian Civil War, Odessa was a part of the Ukraine Republic, but by 1920 the Soviet Red Army managed to overpower both Ukrainian and Russian White Armies and secure the city. (10) In the 1920's, people of Odessa suffered from political unrest, and many of them fled abroad. For a native of Memel, where German was one of the two main languages, Germany was the obvious destination. In Germany, with the help of his organizing skills and the many friends he made, he built up a chess center in Berlin which became famous. In one very interesting event there, he scored a dual success as organizer and participant. This was a simultaneous display he held, together with Emanuel Lasker. Each made alternate moves without consultation. Two against 42. He gave lectures, took part in tournaments, and published a weekly chess column, until the Nazi Regime put an end to it. (11)

In 1926, List played in the first Freie Schachvereinigung Berlin tournament (Berlin (1926)), where he shared 7-9th place with Paul Johner and Friedrich Saemisch. The winner of this strong tournament was Efim Bogoljubov, one point ahead of Akiba Rubinstein. (12) The second Freie Schachvereinigung Berlin tournament was held in June 1927 in Cafe Equitable Palast. List shared 6-7th place with David Enoch (4.5/9). First was Alfred Brinckmann (6.5/9), 2nd-4th were Bogoljubov, Aron Nimzowitsch and Saemisch (6/9). (13) In July 1927, List participated in the masters tournament of the 25th German Chess Congress in Magdeburg. He tied for 3rd place with Walther von Holzhausen (8.5/13), after Rudolf Spielmann (11/13) and Bogoljubov (10.5/13). (14) The Ehrenpreis der Stadt Berlin tournament was held from September 22nd to October 6th, 1928 in Cafe Koenig. List tied for 5th place with Carl Ahues, Kurt Richter and Paul Johner, with 5.5/11. First was Bogoljubov, with 8.5/11. (15) In 1929, List was employed as a chess room manager in Cafe Wien (in Kurfurstendamm, a main street of Berlin), where the display with Lasker took place (+34 -2 =8). (16) At the international Anderssen Chess Club Jubilee Tournament in Frankfurt, September 1930 (Frankfurt (1930)), List tied for 3rd place with Carl Ahues (7/11). First was Aaron Nimzowitsch (9.5/11), 2nd Isaac Kashdan (9/11). (17) In the Swinemunde tournament, June 9-26th, 1932, List tied for 8-9th with Willi Schlage (3.5/9). First was Gosta Stoltz (7.5/9). (18) List worked in 1932 as a director of the chess room in Cafe Trumpf on Kurfurstendamm. At the opening of the chess room on November 14th, List and Saemisch (together) played 38 simultaneous games, with the result +31 -2 =5. (19)

In the end of July 1936 Paul List was invited to play in International Olympic Training tournament in Riga (July 27, 1936 - Aug 3, 1936). This 8 player round robin tournament was organized for preparation of Latvian team to the unofficial Munich Olympiad 1936. Paul List shared 1-3 place with Latvian masters Movsa Feigin and Edgars Krumins (5/7). (20)

At the beginning of August 1936, List continued from Riga to Kaunas, Lithuania. He contributed to the preparation of the Lithuanian team for the unofficial Olympiad in Munich, playing two games with each of eight team members (two games per day). His visit also included a simultaneous exhibition. (21)

From Kaunas, List went to England to participate in the 1936 Nottingham Chess Congress. He played in the Major A (second to the famous international masters tournament, Nottingham (1936)), and tied for 3rd place with William Ritson-Morry (6.5/11). First was Salo Landau (7.5/11), 2nd was Ernst Ludwig Klein (7/11). (22) In April 1937, he played in the strong international tournament in Ostend, Belgium. He tied with Salo Landau for 4th place with 5/9, one point behind Reuben Fine, Paul Keres and Henri Grob. (23) In October 17th-23rd, 1937, List played in a 4 player double round tournament in Riga, Latvia: 1. List (4/6), 2. Movsa Feigin (3.5/6), 3. Fricis Apsenieks (2.5/6), 4. Teodors Bergs (2/6). (24) In October 1937, he restored his Lithuanian citizenship and held a Lithuanian passport. (25) On 27-28 November, a match was held in Riga between Latvia and Lithuania (9.5-6.5). He played on the second board for Lithuania against Apsenieks (+0 -1 =1). (26) From Riga he went with the Lithuanian team to Tallinn, Estonia to play in the first match (except olympiads) between Estonia and Lithuania. The two-day match started on 30 November. Estonia won with 8.5-7.5. List on 2nd board played Paul Schmidt (+0 -1 =1). (27) In December 1937, he participated in the Masters Reserve B tournament of Hastings (1937/38). He was 2nd with 7/9, half a point behind Landau. Paul List settled in London, England, but kept his Lithuanian citizenship. (28) In England he became an art dealer, but chess was one of his foremost activities. (1)

On 20-29 April 1938, in the Premier Reserves Section A of Margate (1938), Paul List (Lithuania) took 5th place with 4.5/9. First was Ernst Ludwig Klein (Austria) (7/9), ahead of Miguel Najdorf (Poland) (6.5/9). (29) On 8-19 August, in the Major Open A section of the 31st British Championship, held at Brighton, List tied for 1st with Klein (9/11), ahead of Baruch Harold Wood (7.5/11). (30) On 5-10 September 1938, in the Plymouth tournament (50th anniversary of the Plymouth Chess Club), Alexander Alekhine tied for 1st with George Alan Thomas (6/7). List tied with Philip Stuart Milner-Barry (3.5/7), half a point ahead of Vera Menchik. (31) In the game with Alekhine, List had an advantage and Alekhine was lucky to escape with a draw. The game appeared in 175 Chess Brilliancies by Francis Percival Wenman (Pitman, London 1947) (Game 22). In the Premier Reserves A section of Hastings (1938/39), Paul List was 7th with 4/9. The winner was Imre Koenig (6/9), ahead of Marcos Luckis and Jacques Mieses (5.5/9). (32) In 1939, List tied for 2nd at the Birmingham Chess Club International tournament with Hubert Ernest Price. The winner was Lodewijk Prins. (33) On August 14-25, 1939, in the Major Open A section of 32nd BCF (British) Championship held in Bournemouth, Paul List took 6th place with 6/11. First was David Podhorzer with 9.5/11. (34) At the Hampstead Chess Club tournament, December 1939, he was 4th with 6.5/11. In this tournament, which was staged by the newly opened National Chess Center in London, Koenig and Milner-Barry tied for 1st with 7.5/11. Sir G. A. Thomas was 3rd (7/11). (35) In March 1940, List tied for first with Harry Golombek (7.5/9) at the London Easter International chess tournament, also organized by the National Chess Center. Third was Vera Menchik (6/9). (36)

In January 1946, the Victory Tournament in Farringdon-Street Memorial Hall (London A (1946)) was organized to celebrate the end of World War II. The 59 years old List tied with Reginald Joseph Broadbent for 8th place (4.5/11). The winner was Herman Steiner (9/11). (37) In June 1946, the Zaanstreek (1946) international chess tournament was held to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Chess Club Zaandam. Paul List took 5th place with 5.5/11. The winner of this tournament was Max Euwe with 9.5/11. (38) The Zaanstreek tournament ended on June 14. Five days later, List was already playing in London in a radio match between Great Britain and USSR. Ten men and two women played in two rounds. The USSR won 14-6 on the men's boards and 4-0 on the women's boards. List was invited to play for Great Britain's team, even though he didn't have English citizenship, since he was considered a strong defensive player. He played on the 6th board against Alexander Kotov, but lost both games. (39) In 1948, List participated in the London Chess Championship. The winner was David Vincent Hooper (6/7), List was 2nd (5/7), and 3rd were Elaine Saunders Pritchard, Otto Friedman and Richard Hilary Newman (4/7). (40) List was London vice champion also in 1950 (with 5/7), behind James Macrae Aitken (6/7). (41)

On 2-9 May 1953, in the 1st Bognor Regis International Chess Congress, Harry Golombek and William Winter tied for 1st with 5/7. Paul List was 6th with 3/7. (42) On 22-25 May 1953, 65 years old and already ill, Paul List finished 1st in the British Lightning Chess Championship (10 seconds per move) with 15.5/18. He was not awarded the champion title, since he was not a naturalized Briton. (43)

1) "The Anglo-Soviet Radio Chess Match", by E. Klein and W. Winter, London, Sir Isaac Pitman & Sons LTD, 1947, page 19.
2) "Zydai Lietuvos sachmatų istorijoje" ("Jews in Lithuania chess history"), Eugenijus Paleckis, Boris Rositsan, Vilnius, 2015, page 123. The meeting with Paul List in 1936 was described by Vladas Mikenas in his book "35 metai prie sachmatų lentos" ("35 years at the chessboard"), State political and scientific literature publishing house, Vilnius, 1961, page 91.
3) "Wiener Schachzeitung", November-December, 21/24, 1911, page 348.
4) "Chess Results 1901-1920", by Gino Di Felice, page 108 and "Wiener Schachzeitung", November-December, 21/24, 1911, p.348.
5) "Chess Results 1901-1920", by Gino Di Felice, page 142 and "Wiener Schachzeitung", November-December, 21/24, 1911, pp.347-348.
6) "Словарь шахматиста" ("Glossary of chess player"), Алекса́ндр Смирнов (Aleksandr Smirnov), Шахматный листок (Chess leaflet publishing house), Leningrad, 1929, page 264.
7) "Избранные партии и воспоминания" ("Selected games and memories"), Levenfish G. Y., Physical education and sport, Moscow, 1967, page 19.
8) "Chess Results 1901-1920", by Gino Di Felice, page 164.
9) "Wiener Schachzeitung", September-October, 17/20, 1912, page 281.
10) "Спаситель Алехина" ("Savior of Alekhine"), Tkachenko, Andrei Elkov publishing house, 2016, pages 30-35.
11) "Dr Paul List; In Memoriam", by Mrs Stephanie List, on pages 156-157 of CHESS, 24 December 1954. A large article about the simultaneous display by List and Dr Em. Lasker was published in the weekly newspaper "Denken und Raten", Nr. 19, 12 May 1929.
12) "Wiener Schachzeitung", November-December 1926, 22/23, page 337.
13) "Wiener Schachzeitung", June 1927, number 12, page 169.
14)"Der funfundzwanzigste Kongress des Deutschen Schachbundes", W. Frhrn. von Holzhausen, Schachverlag Bernhard Kagan, Berlin, 1927, page 11.
16) "Deutsche Schachzeitung", March 1929, page 68, and "Berliner Tageblatt", 12 May 1929, page 2,
19) "Deutsche Schachzeitung", December 1932, page 362.
20) "Rigasche Rundschau", July 28, p. 7; "Rigasche Rundschau", July 31, p. 8; "Rigasche Rundschau", August 1, p. 11; "Rīts", August 3, p. 8; August 4, p. 10.
21) "Meisteris Listas Kaune" ("Master List in Kaunas"), in the newspaper "Vakarai" ("Evenings"), Klaipeda, 12 August 1936, page 1. In this article it is mentioned that in his past, List was living in the town of Plunge, 50 km from Klaipeda, and that he speaks some Lithuanian language.
22) "sachmatų kronika" ("Chess chronicle"), in the newspaper "Vakarai" ("Evenings"), Klaipeda, 2 December 1936, page 6. In this article, it is mentioned that List is Lithuanian, and that at one time efforts were made to add him to the Lithuanian team.
24) The Latvian chess magazine "sacha maksla" ("Art of chess"), 25 October 1937, number 14, page 217.
25) The article "RIIAS NELJA MEISTRI TURNIIR" ("Riga four masters tournament"), in the Estonian newspaper "Waba Maa", 26 October 1937, page 5.
26) The Latvian chess magazine "sacha maksla" ("Art of chess"), 10 December 1937, number 17, pages 259-260.
27) The Lithuanian newspaper "Lietuvos Aidas", Nr. 551, 3 December 1937, page 4.
28) "Lietuvos Aidas", 15 January 1938, page 12.
29) The Estonian newspaper "Paewaleht", 4 May 1938, page 5; "The British Chess Magazine", June 1938, page 277. In "Hamburger Nachrichten", 22 April 1938, page 4, in the article "Schachkongres in Margata", a list was published of participants in all four tournaments. Paul List was presented as a resident of Lithuania.
30) "Chess Results 1936-1940", by Gino Di Felice, page 166, and "The Times", 20 August 1938, page 8.
31) "The British Chess Magazine", October 1938, number 10, page 467, and
32) "Hamburger Nachrichten", 10 January 1939, page 3, and "Chess Results 1936-1940", by Gino Di Felice, page 219.
33) Wikipedia article: 1939 in chess
34) "The Birmingham Post", 29 August 1939, page 11.
35) "Chess Review", March 1940, page 31.
36) "Revista Romana de Sah", 1940-5, page 99.
38) Zaanstreek (1946)
39) ICCF AMICI Issue 07,
40) "The Times", 8 November 1948, page 2.
41) "The Times", 30 October 1950, page 6.
42) "Chess Results 1951-1955", by Gino Di Felice, page 215, and http://www.bognorandarunchessclub.c...
43) "Staffordshire Advertiser", 13 March 1953, page 4, "The Times", 26 May 1953, page 3, Baruch Harold Wood in "Illustrated London News", 20 June 1953, page 1050, and C.N. 7774

Last updated: 2023-05-24 08:00:31

 page 1 of 6; games 1-25 of 133  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. P List vs NN  1-0131907Casual gameA03 Bird's Opening
2. P List vs D Daniuszewski  ½-½351907Casual gameC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
3. G V Inge vs P List  1-0241909Ch OdessaB01 Scandinavian
4. P List vs V M Vladimirov  1-0211909Ch Southern RussiaD33 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
5. P List vs Alfes  1-0151909Odds Game000 Chess variants
6. V Gitterman vs P List  0-1241909Ch OdessaC13 French
7. P List vs Salwe  1-0261910Casual gameC30 King's Gambit Declined
8. P List vs B Verlinsky  1-0351910Ch Southern RussiaC49 Four Knights
9. P List vs N E Loran  0-1411910Ch Southern RussiaC49 Four Knights
10. Levenfish vs P List  0-1241910Levenfish-List MatchC42 Petrov Defense
11. Levenfish vs P List 1-0311910Levenfish-List MatchC83 Ruy Lopez, Open
12. Levenfish vs P List  0-1341910Levenfish-List MatchC11 French
13. P List vs Levenfish  0-1461910Levenfish-List MatchD33 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
14. P List vs Levenfish  1-0511910Levenfish-List MatchD63 Queen's Gambit Declined, Orthodox Defense
15. P List vs Flamberg  1-0461911All-Russian Chess Congress (Main Tournament)D33 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
16. P List vs A Kubbel 0-1241911All-Russian Chess Congress (Main Tournament)D32 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
17. P List vs V Sournin  0-1321911All-Russian Chess Congress (Main Tournament)B21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
18. S Izbinsky vs P List  1-0191911All-Russian Chess Congress (Main Tournament)C43 Petrov, Modern Attack
19. P List vs Bogoljubov  1-0371911All-Russian Chess Congress (Main Tournament)D55 Queen's Gambit Declined
20. P List vs P N Galperin  1-0171912Ch OdessaD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
21. P List vs Bogoljubov  0-1371912All Russian Amateur-BD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
22. P List vs I Rabinovich  1-0361912All Russian Amateur-BD46 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
23. Alfreds Hartmanis vs P List  0-1331912All Russian Amateur-BC80 Ruy Lopez, Open
24. P List vs L Estrin  1-0331912All Russian Amateur-BA84 Dutch
25. P Johner vs P List ½-½451926BerlinC14 French, Classical
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May-13-20  mifralu: <hemy>

Here is another "tournament"

Bournemouth “Week-End” Congress, 18th to 20th November 1938 The second annual “Week-End” Congress held at Glenroy Hall Hotel, Bournemouth.

“Premier” Tourney, Section A
< 1st P. M. List, 2½ >2nd E. G. Sergeant 2; equal 3rd and 4th, Miss Vera Menchik and Mr W. H. Pratten, 1 each.

<Falkirk Herald, 30 November 1938>

May-13-20  Nosnibor: <mifralu> There must be a mistake with the report of the 1938 Bournemouth "Week-End" Congress.The maximum points obtainable for this event are 6 but for some reason they equate to 6.5 points.
May-13-20  hemy: <mifralu> thanks for updating with results of the Bournemouth “Week-End” Congress, 18th to 20th November 1938.

<Nosnibor> Indeed there is some mistake in report about the tournament.

Assuming that the places taken by participants are correct, the results should be as follow:
1. P. M. List 2.5/3
2. E. G. Sergeant 1.5/3
3-4. Miss Vera Menchik and Mr W. H. Pratten 1/3

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Rusbase has recently published a very large number of new tournaments.

<Paul List> won an "Odessa Championship" in 1909. Rusbase lists three primary sources in their data here:

One <Paul List> game is given from this event, which I copy and paste from Rusbase:

[Event "Ch Odessa"]
[Site "Odessa (Ukraine)"]
[Date "1909.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Gitterman (RUS)"]
[Black "List P"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C13"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source ""]
[Remark ""]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. Bxf6 Bxf6 6. e5 Be7 7. Qg4 O-O 8. Bd3 c5 9. dxc5 Nc6 10. f4 Nb4 11. Nf3 Nxd3+ 12. cxd3 Bxc5 13. d4 Bb6 14. O-O-O Bd7 15. Kb1 Rc8 16. Ne2 Qe8 17. h4 f5 18. Qh3 Bb5 19. Ng3 Bc4 20. Ng5 Bxa2+ 21. Kxa2 Qa4+ 22. Kb1 Qc2+ 23. Ka2 Rc4 24. Nh5 Ra4+ 0-1

Jun-18-20  hemy: <JFQ> Great discovery made by you.
We knew that<Paul List> was Odessa champion in 1908 and he was the best chess player in Odessa. Now we may add List's 1909 champion title of Odessa to his biography.

Regarding the sources - Коган М_ Очерки по истории шахмат в СССР, 1938 (Kogan M. Chess history of USSR, 1938) and Ткаченко С.Н. Шахматная жемчужина у моря Одесса ВМВ, 2013 (Tkachenko Shahmatnaya zhemchuzhina u morya, 2013) only mentioned that P. List won the 1909 Odessa championship. I'm missing the "Шахматное обозрение" (Shahmatnoe Obozrenie)1-4 1909, will try to get it.

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<hemy> I found some further information about <Paul List> in a book I am reading at the moment.

In Odessa on 22 April 1916, List and Alexander Alekhine played an alternating-move simul. They performed together on 15 boards in the "Writers and Artists Club," scoring +11-1=3.

Unfortunately, the scoresheets were lost.

-Sergei Tkachenko "Alekhine's Odessa Secrets" (Elk and Ruby Publishing House 2018), p. 34

Jun-18-20  hemy: <JFQ>
< I found some further information about <Paul List> in a book I am reading at the moment.> Indeed, it is very interesting information about <Paul List>'s Odessa period!

I just found pdf of the Russian version of this book online:

In Russian version this story is written on the bottom of page 35. On pages 36-38 of this book is published biography of Paul (Pavel) List.

"Alekhine's Odessa Secrets" correctly using the information about List's birth place as Memel (Klaipeda).
I found that he was born in Lithuania from the book of Vladas Mikėnas, "35 metai prie šachmatų lentos", Vilnius, 1961, p. 91. I also found that he was born in Memel. It was published in 2015 in "Jews in Lithuanian chess history".

In Wikipedia is still written that he was born in Odessa and introducing him as a "Russian Jewish chess player":

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<hemy> So excellent that you found the original Russian copy of the book! It is bound to be more accurate because first generation.

I'm still wading through the English version, and on <Paul List> there is another piece of information later in the book, several pages after the biography of him.

This is a double blind game he played against <Alekhine> as part of a blind simul <Alekhine> was giving.

There are reports from two different newspapers about the result- and in English translation it is not possible to figure out what the result of the <Alekhine-List> game was.

One version implies a draw from an equal position- the "game abandoned."

The second version implies that <List> resigned in a worse position.

I think the meanings might be clearer in the Russian edition.

Jun-18-20  hemy: <JFQ>
<One version implies a draw from an equal position- the "game abandoned." The second version implies that <List> resigned in a worse position.>

In the original Russian book were published 2 versions as well.

On October 6, «Южная мысль» (Southern Thought) introduces readers to results of the blind simultaneous exhibition: Alekhine won eight games. Ninth, a double blind game against List was interrupted after two hours of play in an approximately equal position."

Different version was introduced in «Одесские новости» (Odessa News): "Alekhine played 9 games not looking at the board, he won 8 games. The ninth game against him played Mr. List, who also played without looking on the board. Mr. List quit the game on move 17, having worst position."

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<hemy> That's interesting. "abandoned" and "quit the game" are the phrases from the English version as well. Must be a decent translation.

So no clearer. Does "abandoned" mean a draw, and "quit the game" mean a resignation? Possibly we will never know. It's still a great story though from contemporary newspaper sources.

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<hemy> I am still going through the many new events at rusbase, and I ran across

<Match- Odessa Spring 1910> Paul List vs V. Lichman.

List won 5/5.

Sadly, no games are given, but sometimes they are added later.

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<hemy> Another Paul List game from rusbase:

Tournament of South of Russia- Odessa 28.12.1909-10.1.1910

[Event "Tournament"]
[Site "Odessa (Ukraine)"]
[Date "1909.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "List Paul"]
[Black "Vladimirov V.(URS)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D33"]
[WhiteElo "0"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[Annotator ""]
[Source "rusbase"]
[Remark ""]

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 c5 3.c4 e6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.g3 Be6 7.Bg2 Nf6 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bxf6 Qxf6 10.O-O cxd4 11.Nb5 Qd8 12.Nfxd4 a6 13.Nc3 Qf6 14.Nxc6 bxc6 15.e4 dxe4 16.Qa4 Bd7 17.Nxe4 Qg6 18.Rfe1 Be7 19.Nc5 Rc8 20.Nxd7 Kxd7 21.Bh3+ 1-0

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<hemy> Also <Paul List> played in this event:

<All-Russian Tournament (amateurs)- Petersburg October 1911>

No pgns here yet, but the crosstable lists all his results.

<Paul List> shared 15th-16th with Vladimir Fedorovich Ostrogsky

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<hemy> I am sorry I didn't read your biography carefully enough. Of course you already have the listing for <All-Russian Tournament (amateurs)- Petersburg October 1911>.

Jun-21-20  hemy: <JFQ> Your research is much appreciated by me. Thanks for updating me with many discoveries you made in subjects I'm working on from 2008, including <Paul List>.
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Thanks <hemy>.

I also thank you for providing a prodigious number of new <Vladimir Petrov> games and much other help with my Latvian project.

Because of your ability to search primary source journals in the relevant languages, likely has by far the most complete collection of <Vladimir Petrov> games in the world.

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Oh and you have the Tkachenko book now, so you may already know that Paul List's opponent "V. Vladimirov" is <Vasily Modestovich Vladimirov>.

Tkachenko provides a very detailed biography of him on page 33.

At we don't have a player page for him yet- only his participation in a consultation game v. Alekhine. Soon we will have his game v. List published, and then we can write a decent biography for his new page.

I just posted about V. Vladimirov over here:

E Loran / V Vladimirov vs Alekhine, 1916

Jun-21-20  chesshistoryinterest: Re <List - Levenfish match, Vilnius 1910> as given on Rusbase

Rusbase also gives an identical match, this time at "Lodz 1909"

<hemy> I presume this "Lodz 1909" match is an incorrect duplicate?

Also, I notice that Rusbase puts the order of games of the match in as 1,1,1,1,0,0,0,0,1/2. This seems a rather unlikely progression of the match and I think that Rusbase does not actually know what order the games were played in. I have noticed this quite a few times on Rusbase - that when they don't know the order of games in a match, they fill in the table with the number of wins first, then the losses, then the draws (eg Mikenas - Ljublinsky 1944 and the other matches on that page ). To me, this is misleading and I think that if they don't know the order of the games, they should not fill in the table (or not have one) and put the result as a +-= score instead (eg for the List - Levenfish match +4-4=1).

Jun-22-20  hemy: <chesshistoryinterest> <I presume this "Lodz 1909" match is an incorrect duplicate?>

Absolutely, it is incorrect and duplicating match played in Vilnius.

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<hemy> In case you haven't read this, you might be interested in it. It is a long historical essay that includes some really detailed information about <Paul List>.

This is the page the discussion about List starts- but you can scroll backwards and forwards to see more of the context:

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<hemy> I found and uploaded the rest of <Paul List's> games from Ostend 1937: Game Collection: Paul List at Ostende 1937

Aug-17-20  hemy: <JFQ> thanks for your researches about <Paul List>. The essay you mentioned includes details that I knew from other sources. Anyway it is interesting to read.
Sep-12-20  mifralu: REMEMBERING PAUL LIST (09-IX-1887 - 09-IX-1954)

Feb-14-23  WilhelmThe2nd: Paul List-Odess married Stephanie Hanna Lilly Kaul in Berlin, Germany on Jan. 9th, 1936. The marriage record gives his date of birth as Dec. 8th, 1887 and his place of birth as Plunge, Lithuania. His signature on the document reads 'Povilas Odess'.

In the metrical books for Plunge, Lithuania there is a baptismal record for a Peisekh Odes, son of Meer Peisekhovich Odes, born Dec. 8th, 1887 (this is clearly an Old Style date; the New Style date would be Dec. 20th, 1887). There is a notation on the record stating that his first name was legally changed to 'Pavel' in 1897.

There are taxpayers & voters lists that indicate that Paul List-Odess's father, who was an attorney, was living with his family in Plunge in the period 1890-93. He later appears in the Duma voters list for Vilnius in 1906 and the Vilnius directory in 1915 with his name spelled 'Meer Peisakhovich Odess'.

Paul List-Odess's full name in Russian would, therefore, have been Pavel Meerovich Odess. (The sole instance I could find of Paul List-Odess being referred to under his birth name in Russian, prior to his emigration from Odessa, gave his name as 'P. M. Odess'.)

Feb-14-23  Cibator: Interesting to see that name Odess crop up. I wonder if List-Odess was any blood-relation (however tenuous) to Dr Matthew Odess, whose practice was in Notting Hill, London, and who saw rather an awful lot of a certain Mr Christie. (And whose locum once was Dr Stefan Fazekas.)
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