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Hikaru Nakamura
Nakamura 
 

Number of games in database: 3,906
Years covered: 1995 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2804 (2734 rapid, 2837 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +593 -246 =721 (61.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 2346 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (271) 
    B90 B30 B23 B51 B42
 Ruy Lopez (172) 
    C65 C67 C78 C77 C84
 Reti System (147) 
    A06 A04 A05
 Queen's Gambit Declined (119) 
    D37 D31 D38 D30 D35
 Queen's Pawn Game (115) 
    A45 D00 D02 E10 D05
 Nimzo Indian (77) 
    E32 E46 E34 E21 E20
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (251) 
    B90 B30 B80 B22 B92
 Ruy Lopez (247) 
    C67 C65 C70 C78 C72
 Queen's Gambit Declined (155) 
    D37 D31 D30 D06 D39
 Queen's Pawn Game (123) 
    D02 A40 A45 A41 A46
 King's Indian (114) 
    E97 E90 E92 E63 E94
 Giuoco Piano (107) 
    C53 C50 C54
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Krasenkow vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2010 0-1
   Rybka vs Nakamura, 2008 0-1
   So vs Nakamura, 2015 0-1
   G Sagalchik vs Nakamura, 2003 0-1
   Crafty vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Nakamura vs Karjakin, 2004 1-0
   Nakamura vs Kramnik, 2012 1-0
   Nakamura vs J W Loyte, 2001 1-0
   A Beliavsky vs Nakamura, 2009 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Corsica Masters (2007)
   Trophee CCAS (2008)
   Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020)
   Meltwater Tour Final (2021)
   Bullet Chess Championship (2023)
   Ordix Open (2009)
   Chess.com Speed Chess Championship 2017/18 (2017)
   Magnus Carlsen Chess Tour Finals (2020)
   New In Chess Classic (2021)
   Tata Steel India (2022)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   chess.com Speed Chess (2020)
   Chess.com SpeedChess Finals (2024)
   Pro Chess League (2018)
   PRO League Group Stage (2019)

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   Notable Nakamura Games by caracas1970
   book: Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by Baby Hawk
   Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by kenilworthian
   Vid e o put Fredthebear in th is cent ury by fredthebear
   Notable Nakamura Games by iron maiden
   2020 The Corona Beer & Black Bears Matter Mo Ode by fredthebear
   Hikaru! by larrewl
   Match Nakamura! by docjan
   Match Nakamura! by amadeus

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   D Gukesh vs Nakamura (May-28-25) 1-0
   Nakamura vs Carlsen (May-27-25) 1-0, armageddon
   Nakamura vs Carlsen (May-27-25) 1/2-1/2

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HIKARU NAKAMURA
(born Dec-09-1987, 37 years old) Japan (federation/nationality United States of America)

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IM (2001); GM (2003). Hikaru Nakamura won the US Championship in 2004, 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2019. He was the world's second-ranked player as of October 2015. In July 2023, he married WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan.

Prodigy

Christopher Hikaru Nakamura was born December 9, 1987 in Hirakata in Osaka, Japan, to a Japanese father and an American mother. He is the younger brother of Asuka Nakamura. When he was two years old, he and his mother and brother moved to the United States. He started playing chess when he was seven, coached by his stepfather, Sunil Weeramantry. He was the youngest player in US history to defeat an International Master (Jay Bonin) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 0 months), to become a National Master (USCF) (10 years, 79 days), to defeat a Grandmaster (Arthur Bisguier) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 117 days), and to become an IM (13 years, 2 months), although most of these records have subsequently been surpassed. In 2003 he became the USA's youngest-ever grandmaster (15 years, 2 months and 19 days), a record later broken by Fabiano Caruana and Ray Robson.

Championships

<Youth> In 2001 he won the World U14 championship.

<National> When he won the Chessmaster US Championship 2005 (2004) (on tiebreak from Alexander Stripunsky), he was the youngest player to win the US championship since Robert James Fischer. He also won the US Championship (2009) outright by half a point ahead of the joint runners-up Robert Hess and Alexander Onischuk, and the United States Championship (2012) outright by a full point ahead of the winner of the 2010 and 2011 events, Gata Kamsky. He won the national title for a fourth time when he took out the US Championship (2015) with 8/11, half a point ahead of the outright runner up Ray Robson.

<World championship cycle> Seeded number 87 and aged 16, Nakamura reached the final 16 in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), defeating 46th seed Sergey Volkov, 19th seeded Aleksej Aleksandrov, and 51st seed Alexander Lastin in the preliminary rounds before bowing out to number 3 seed and finalist Michael Adams in the round of 16. He qualified to play in the World Cup (2013) through his rating, and defeated Peruvian WGM Deysi Estela Cori Tello in the first round, Azeri GM Eltaj Safarli in the second round and Indian GM Baskaran Adhiban in the third round, but was eliminated in the Round of 16 (fourth round) by Ukrainian GM Anton Korobov. He qualified by rating to participate in the World Cup (2015), and is doing so although he has already qualified for the Candidates Tournament of 2016 via the Grand Prix series of 2014-15. He defeated Richmond Phiri, Sam Shankland in the first two rounds, as well as Ian Nepomniachtchi in a third round thriller that Nakamura won in the deciding Armageddon blitz tiebreaker game after the three previous sets of rapid and blitz tiebreakers had been drawn. In the Round of 16 (the fourth round) he won against Michael Adams by 1.5-0.5 but lost to Pavel Eljanov in the quarter final, bowing out of the event.

<Grand Prix Series 2012-2013> He started the Grand Prix series with last at the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012). After bouncing back into contention with outright second in the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), a poor showing at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) eliminated him from contention for the top 2 spots that would have qualified him for the 2014 Candidates Tournament. (1) He did however place 3rd behind Fabiano Caruana and Boris Gelfand in the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) to accumulate 300 GP points and place 6th in the 2012-13 Grand Prix series. Subsequently, his only chance to play in the 2014 Candidates Tournament was to be nominated as the Organizer's wild card once the venue was settled, however this did not eventuate.

<Grand Prix Series 2014-2015> Nakamura competed in the first leg of the series at the FIDE Grand Prix Baku (2014), where he scored 6/11 to place 3rd-7th, half a point behind the joint leaders Caruana and Gelfand. He therefore kicked off with a GP tally of 82 points, representing the even distribution of points applicable to each place from 3rd to 7th. In the second leg of the series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2014), he placed =2nd and stood in 2nd place overall, excellently situated to take advantage of the opportunity to qualify for the Candidates tournament in 2016. He took full advantage of this in FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015), when he came =1st to qualify for the Candidates Tournament of 2016.

Standard tournaments

In 2005, he won the 7th Foxwoods Open (2005).

In 2007, he won both the National Open (2007) that was held in Las Vegas and the Casino de Barcelona (2007).

The following year, he beat Xiangzhi Bu in the play-off to win the Gibraltar Masters (2008) Masters Open with 8.0/10.

Nakamura tied for first with Evgeny Najer at the 37th World Open (2009) after taking two last-day byes, each worth half a point and won the Donostia Chess Festival (2009) in tiebreak over Ruslan Ponomariov.

In 2010, he came =4th at Corus Group A (2010), and was equal top scorer in the victorious Rising Stars team in the Rising Stars - Experience (2010) tournament. He scored 5/9 (+1 -0 =8) at the Tal Memorial (2010), placing =4th, and finished the year with =4th place in the London Chess Classic (2010).

Nakamura began 2011 by taking clear first place at the A-Group of the prestigious category 20 Tata Steel Group A (2011) (formerly Corus) with a 9/13 score (+6 -1 =6) and a 2880 performance rating, ahead of a powerful field including the world's top four players: World Champion Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Levon Aronian and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. In June 2011, Nakamura placed =3rd in the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), in July he scored 4.5/10 at Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), in August he came =1st in the 2011 US Open Championship with 7.5/9 and in October he came =3rd in the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011) with 5/10. The following month, he suffered a lapse in form at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2011), scoring 3/9 and coming last but recovered to finish 2011 with second place behind Kramnik at the category 20 London Chess Classic (2011), scoring +4 -1 =3 (TPR of 2887).

He started 2012 by coming =2nd (4th on count back) at the Reggio Emilia (2011), half a point behind Anish Giri, and then came =5th at Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9). He followed up in April 2012 with 1st at the 6th Annual Grand Pacific Open held in British Columbia. He competed in the Tal Memorial (2012) held in June, scoring 4/9. In July/August 2012, Nakamura placed a solid =3rd at the Biel Chess Festival (2012), but underperformed at the European Club Cup (2012), although in October 2012, he recovered to some extent by winning the 4 player double round robin 16th Unive Tournament (2012) (crown group) with 4.5/6 (+3 -0 =3). Nakamura finished 2012 with a strong 3rd placement in the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Carlsen and Kramnik, adding enough rating points to restore him to the top 10.

2013 started with a modest 7/13 result for outright 6th at the Tata Steel Group A (2013) event. He then followed up in May 2013 with equal 2nd at the Norway Chess (2013) with 5.5/9, half a point behind Sergey Karjakin and 3rd on tiebreak behind Carlsen; he also placed =2nd with 6/9 at the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2013) held to determine the draw for the main tournament, and earned the right to play with the White pieces in 5 games out of 9. In June 2013, he contested the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013), and was outright leader after 6 rounds. However, he lost the last 3 game to place 6th with 4.5/9, winning more games (4) and losing more games (4) than any other player in the tournament. Soon after, he came =3rd in the Houston Open in July 2013. In September he played in the quadrangular double round robin category 22 Sinquefield Cup (2013), and was in contention for first place until the last round, when he drew against Gata Kamsky finishing second with 3.5/6 (+2 -1 =3; TPR 2863) behind Magnus Carlsen.

Nakamura's first event in 2014 was the category 20 Tata Steel Masters (2014) where he scored 5/11 (+2 -3 =6) to shed a few rating points for FIDE's February rating list. He next competed in the category 23 Zurich Chess Challenge (2014) in which he placed 4th with 2/5 after coming agonisingly close to defeating World Champion Magnus Carlsen. He came 2nd with 3.5/5 in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2014) which followed the standard time event, to remain in 4th in the overall event with the results of the standard and rapid events combined. In April, he participated in the inaugural Gashimov Memorial (2014), a category XXII 6-player DRR event inaugurated in honor of the late Azeri grandmaster, scoring 5/10 and placing =3rd behind Carlsen and Caruana. At the London Chess Classic (2014), he scored 2.5/5 to place 4th.

Nakamura's start to 2015 was to win the powerful Gibraltar Masters (2015) with 8.5/10 (+7 =3), and return a PB on his live rating and his new FIDE rating due in March. Despite cracking the 2800 barrier in the live ratings during the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015) held in February, he placed outright 2nd in the standard portion of the event behind Anand, ahead of Kramnik, Karjakin, Aronian and Caruana respectively. His second place in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015) with 3/5 made him =1st with Anand in the overall event, but he won an Armageddon tiebreaker with the former World Champion to win first prize. His good form continued at the category 22 Norway Chess (2015) event, where he was undefeated to place =2nd (3rd on a narrow SB tiebreak), behind Topalov and alongside Anand with 6/9 and a TPR of 2900. In September he competed in the second leg of the inaugural Grand Chess Tour at Sinquefield Cup (2015), and finished equal second with 5/9 behind Aronian in what amounted to a par for rating performance. October saw Nakamura compete in the lucrative Millionaire Chess (2015) tournament, which he won after battling through a complicated tiebreak system that involved a playoff to decide a playoff for fourth, and then winning a knockout rapid game semi-final that was called after round 7 of 9 of the main standard time event. He finished the year with a poor performance at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he came in toward the bottom of the field after scoring 4/9.

He started 2016 with an upbeat result at the Gibraltar Masters (2016), winning first prize after a rapid and blitz game tiebreak that ended in an Armageddon victory against runner-up Maxime Vachier-Lagrave. He finished clear second at the
FIDE Grand Swiss (2023), scoring 8/11 (+5 =6 -0) and qualifying for the 2024 Candidates tournament.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Nakamura has represented the U.S. in the Olympiads of 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014, helping his country to the bronze medal in 2006 and 2008. He scored 6/10 during the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) on top board for the USA and a performance rating of 2741 and 6/9 in the Istanbul Olympiad (2012), coming in fourth on top board. His overall score in Olympiads is 31 points accumulated in 49 games played.

<World Team Championship> Nakamura played board 1 for the USA at the World Team Championship (2010), scoring individual gold and team silver. He also played top board at the World Team Championship (2013), winning individual silver and helping his team to 4th place in the event.

<European Club Cup> He played top board for the SK Husek Vienna in the European Club Cup (2009) and top board for the Italian club Obiettivo Risarcimento Padova in 2012 and 2013, second board for the Italian club in 2014 and board 3 for the same club in 2015. He scored individual bronze in 2013 and 2014.

Rapids

Nakamura is one of the world's best rapid and blitz players, and the world's best bullet (one-minute) player. He regularly plays on the internet, usually at the ICC where he is the highest rated player (userid <Smallville>), and at Playchess, where he is known as <Star Wars>. He has set many rating records under different categories. In 2008, he challenged and broke blitz king Alexander Grischuk 's record at ICC of 3737, reaching 3750. Grischuk subsequently challenged Nakamura to a 20 game 3 minutes blitz match, which Nakamura took out convincingly by 14.5-5.5. (2) He also won the first ICC Open in 2011 ahead of over 2000 other contestants. (3)

In 2007, he won the annual Corsica Masters (2007), defeating Rustam Kasimdzhanov in the final. One of the most convincing demonstrations of Nakamura's ability as a rapid player was when he won the Trophee CCAS (2008), defeating Xiangzhi Bu, Anatoly Karpov and Vasyl Ivanchuk in the playoff matches to take first prize in a field that included Carlsen. Nakamura also defeated Carlsen to take out the BNbank Blitz (2009). He was runner-up to Ivanchuk at the Cap d'Agde (2010) in the playoff. He also defeated Rising Stars team mate Anish Giri for the right to play at Amber 2011.

In 2012, Nakamura won the trifecta of silver medals at the SportAccord World Mind Games (Men's Rapid) (2012), the World Mind Games (Men's Blitz) and the World Mind Games (Men's Blindfold) events. He closed out 2013 by winning the London Chess Classic (Knockout) (2013), defeating Gelfand in the final by 1.5-0.5, after qualifying for the final by winning the preliminary London Chess Classic (Group C) (2013).

In June 2014, he competed in both the World Rapid Championship (2014) and the World Blitz Championship (2014) that were held in Dubai. In the former, he scored a relatively meager 8.5/15, losing 40 rapid rating points, while he was much more successful in the latter, scoring 16/21, being the runner up by a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen. His blitz rating skyrocketed to over 2900. Subsequently he competed in the Super Rapidplay Open that was a companion event to the 2014 London Classic (see above), winning the event with an almost perfect score of 9.5/10. He also competed in the London Elite Player Blitz that was the other companion event, and placed =1st with 6/10.

The 2016 edition of the Zurich Chess Challenge was a two-part event, which kicked off with a preliminary Zurich Chess Challenge (Opening Blitz) (2016) to determine who had three whites in the five rounds of the Zurich Chess Challenge (2016) (rapid). Nakamura placed first in the Opening Blitz earning the use of the white pieces in three of the five rounds of the first section of the actual tournament, the round robin rapid event where he placed equal first alongside Anand. Nakamura playing the black pieces three times in the second section of the event, the Zurich Chess Challenge (Blitz) (2016), again placed equal first with Anand to tie the overall score, but won on tiebreak to take first prize.

He has authored the book Bullet Chess: One Minute to Mate.

Matches

In December 2004, Nakamura played the best-of-six game Karjakin - Nakamura Match (2004) in the "Duelo de los Jovenes Prodigios" (Duel of the Wonder Boys) in Cuernavaca, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, winning 4.5-1.5 (+4 -1 =1). In May 2011 at the St Louis chess club, he won the Nakamura - Ponomariov Match (2011) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =3 -1). In June 2014, he played for the Cez Trophy Navara - Nakamura Match (2014) in Praha, Czechia, which involved a 4-game standard time match against David Navara. He won the match by 3.5-0.5.

960 Chess

In August 2009, Nakamura defeated Aronian in Mainz, Germany to become the 960 world champion and remained unchallenged as such until Carlsen defeated him in a match in February 2018 by a margin of 14-10.

Ratings and rankings

Nakamura's highest ranking as a Junior (U20) was #3 in April 2004 and 2005. He first broke into the world's top 100 in October 2004 when he was still 16 years old, and has remained in the top 100 continuously since that time. He reached the world's top 10 in January 2011, and has remained in that elite group continuously since January 2013. In September 2015 his rating reached 2814 despite which he was still ranked world #4 behind Carlsen, Anand and Topalov respectively. However in October 2016, his ranking reached its highest point so far, 2816, when his ranking was world #2, his highest ranking so far.

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012–2013 (2) http://dod.ru/chess/game/Crest/Smal...; (3) Further details are at this post: Hikaru Nakamura; (4) https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast... (podcast interview by Ben Johnson through iTunes); Live rating list: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Hikaru Nakamura

Last updated: 2024-04-14 20:46:42

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 page 1 of 157; games 1-25 of 3,908  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Predescu vs Nakamura 1-0641995U.S. National Scholastic Grade 2 ChampionshipB08 Pirc, Classical
2. L Au vs Nakamura 1-0431997Hawaii opB83 Sicilian
3. Nakamura vs J Bonin 1-0361997Marshall Chess ClubC02 French, Advance
4. J Kleinman vs Nakamura  ½-½411997January CongressA49 King's Indian, Fianchetto without c4
5. Nakamura vs B Karen 0-1521997Nassau FuturityB06 Robatsch
6. A Bisguier vs Nakamura 0-1211998Somerset ACN Action SwissE70 King's Indian
7. B Karen vs Nakamura  0-1261998Nassau g/30B23 Sicilian, Closed
8. A Stripunsky vs Nakamura 0-1431998Marshall Chess ClubB40 Sicilian
9. P MacIntyre vs Nakamura  1-0541998US Amateur Team EastA07 King's Indian Attack
10. J Thinnsen vs Nakamura 1-035199899th US OpenA45 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Nakamura vs I Krush 1-062199899th US OpenB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
12. S Kriventsov vs Nakamura  1-0241999Rated TournamentB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
13. Nakamura vs J Fang 0-12119998th Eastern Class ChampionshipsB73 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
14. A David vs Nakamura  1-025199927th World OpenB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
15. Nakamura vs W Paschall  ½-½251999North Bay OpenB65 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...Be7 Defense, 9...Nxd4
16. J Hebert vs Nakamura  1-0601999North Bay OpenE97 King's Indian
17. Nakamura vs V Rajlich  1-0521999North Bay OpenB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
18. G Taylor vs Nakamura  1-0311999North Bay OpenE75 King's Indian, Averbakh, Main line
19. Nakamura vs F Baragar  0-1451999North Bay OpenC17 French, Winawer, Advance
20. M Stroud vs Nakamura  0-1371999North Bay OpenE92 King's Indian
21. S Glinert vs Nakamura  ½-½381999North Bay OpenA07 King's Indian Attack
22. D Moody vs Nakamura 0-1201999100th US OpenB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
23. Nakamura vs A Aleksandrov ½-½601999100th US OpenC45 Scotch Game
24. A Wojtkiewicz vs Nakamura 1-0421999100th US OpenE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
25. Nakamura vs G Gaiffe 1-0541999100th US OpenB23 Sicilian, Closed
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Feb-08-10  SatelliteDan: *i.e.*
Feb-08-10  NakoSonorense: i.e. is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase "id est," meaning "that is."
Feb-08-10  rogge: http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/e...
Feb-08-10  NakoSonorense: Ha, I beat you!
Feb-08-10  rogge: Hehe, you sure did :)
Feb-08-10  SatelliteDan: <If you just stick with good old English “for example” and “that is” you won’t give anyone a chance to sneer at you.> :) thanks
Feb-08-10  frogbert: and "luckily" it was used correctly here, i.e. not an error (when rogge posted the link, i was concerned for a brief second... ;o)
Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: <simply makes it impossible to exchange opinions between the two sides of the pond.>

It's easy to construe your comments as being biased and anti-American, when you use words like "stupid" referring to American chess tournaments

Just admit you were wrong about Namakura not deserving top flight invitations, not being able to play among the elite, and not being in Carlsen's class...Because those were all points that you made on this page at one time or another, and they were all emphatically proven incorrect

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <when you use words like "stupid" referring to American chess tournaments >

that's another <stupid> generalization. unless you start reading and acknowledging what i've already said about the <really stupid> accusations from tpstar, there's no point in further debate, rb. liste now: <i do not <<<use>>> words like "stupid" to refer to american chess tournaments.> i haven't even done that once, in a general, non-qualified meaning, not limited to a very specific purpose in a very specific context. why on earth should i continue to argue with crap like this, tell me?

i guess you agree that nakamura is anti-azeri too? and that he <hates> radjabov? stop talking rubbish, please.

<you were wrong about Namakura not deserving top flight invitations, not being able to play among the elite, and not being in Carlsen's class...Because those were all points that you made on this page at one time or another,>

come on, show it to me then. link to the posts where i allegedly made these claims. let's discuss them one by one.

i can show you that at no time were any of my statements wrong <at the time they were made>.

that nakamura can play with the elite in 2010 doesn't prove that he could do so in 2007. it doesn't take much intelligence to realize that. do you have that intelligence, riverbeast? somebody else already pointed that out to you, but either you missed that, or you chose to disregard it.

and btw - nakamura is still quite far from being in carlsen's class when it comes to classical chess. in february 2010. that doesn't mean he won't be able to <get there> some time in the future.

Feb-08-10  frogbert: riverbeast, since you have consistently shown yourself incapable of understanding basic common sense here, i need to give you the following analogy:

if someone in 2007 asked me what the world record for 100m dash is, i would've answered 9,77 (or possibly 9,74).

usain bolt, when he completely demolished those records with 9,58 in 2009, would <not> have proven me wrong on my 2007 answer by his 2009 effort.

i really can't believe you are so thick that you don't get something simple like that. so why do you even pretend? do you enjoy being dishonest, or what is it?

i never said "nakamura will never ..." - so your "case" is entirely irrelevant, even non-existing. repeating an untrue thing doesn't make it more true. but the speaker appears more and more stupid, when the falseness of his claims has already been pointed out.

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: < i haven't even done that once, in a general, non-qualified meaning>

Should I really go back and find the posts, Frogbert? Because I remember them, and if you're really going to ask me to find them, I can.....

It's up to you...I'm really not interested in taking the argument this far...But if you beg me to find your old posts, and if you're going to call me thickheaded and dishonest, you'll force my hand......

Feb-08-10  podjevsky: <Riverbeast> You go find the posts and I'll bring the popcorn. This is getting exciting!
Feb-08-10  boz: No offence <frogbert> but I do remember you using the word "stupid" in reference to US tournaments, much the same way you used it in reference to riverbeast. It doesn't matter whether you were talking about something specific or general. If you use a word like that you have expressed contempt.

You seem to be expecting people to interpret your words charitably but your abusive language discourages that.

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: Its just the typical European patronizing attitude toward Americans....

I find it annoying on several levels....And I've experienced it in my travels abroad...People automatically assuming that I was stupid or ignorant simply because I'm American

Funny thing was, the people making those assumptions, I didn't think were necessarily the brightest knives on the shelf themselves......

<Frogbert> you should be the last to complain about people defending Nakamura on his own page....And calling them irrational or overexuberant when they say he belongs with the elite.....Because you would complain and call people 'trolls' anytime anybody said ANYTHING negative about your boy on the Carlsen page

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: <nakamura is still quite far from being in carlsen's class when it comes to classical chess>

Then how come Carlsen had to SCRAPE for the draw the last two classical games they played together?

If anybody is being unobjective, sir, I believe it's you

Feb-08-10  Valmy: <Its just the typical European patronizing attitude toward Americans> Easy RIVERBEAST, this kind of bad behaviour is not only European. I travelled to CHICAGO, my roomate explained me how to use a...microwave oven! Did she believe I came from Middl eages?
Feb-08-10  frogbert: riverbeast, be my guest.

note that i wrote the following:

<i haven't even done that once, in a general, non-qualified meaning, <<not limited to a very specific purpose in a very specific context.>>>

i know exactly which single statement/post tpstar refers to regarding "stupid tournaments", and that statement was <not general>, but made regarding a <very specific purpose in a very specific context>. and hence, it was (and is) completely irrelevant for any generalizations about which words i "use to describe" american tournaments.

[and - the point i was trying to make in a previous post when i referred to barbara ehrenreich: even <if> i would think that american chess tournaments in general are stupid (i don't, mind you), then it <still> wouldn't be any indicator of anti-american sentiment! i wouldn't think the tournaments were stupid because they were <american> - but due to something <about the tournaments> themselves. something i would've been able to point to - and this something would <not be> being <american>. get it, please - it's not hard, it's easy. for moderately bright people!!!]

and yes, if you maintain that an assessment of somebody's place in the chess world in 2007/early 2008 can be disproven by achievements in 2010, then you <are> thickheaded. and if you're portraying statements about how something <was> at a certain time several years back as statements about how things <will remain (forever)>, then you're being dishonest.

why you would want to prove that to anyone, is beyond me. but happy bounty hunting.

i guess the worst you will find is this: "what an utterly, utterly strange country and what an equally strange relationship to chess." that was also said in a context, btw - but i think it's the "worst" thing i've ever said about the usa. :o) and honestly, in most respects i don't find the us as strange as that statement could lead people to think; after all, the biggest outside influence on scandinavia is probably the us, both in terms of culture and consumer habits.

Feb-08-10  ycbaywtb: the news of Naka having a fellow with a computer as a second is interesting

This work likely will yield further results

while i don't think Naka has peaked yet, i really doubt that Magnus has peaked either

guys like Anand, Topa, and Kramnik have probably peaked

i could be wrong, these are just opinions

i enjoy seeing the debates rage here, it's quite fun

not real sure about Aronian---he seems such a wild card

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <It doesn't matter whether you were talking about something specific or general. If you use a word like that you have expressed contempt. >

oh, boz - it certainly matters, as does the context.

referring to such clear and directed criticism as <the typical European patronizing attitude toward Americans> is comical and ridiculous at the same time.

<Because you would complain and call people 'trolls' anytime anybody said ANYTHING negative about your boy on the Carlsen page>

you will probably have some people agree to that <stupid generalization> too, but it doesn't make it any more true. and again, it's irrelevant. let's get back to the examples of my <wrong claims>, riverbeast. leave the rest for later, or i'll start thinking you're trying to flee away from my challenge.

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: <i would think that american chess tournaments in general are stupid (i don't, mind you), then it <still> wouldn't be any indicator of anti-american sentiment! i wouldn't think the tournaments were stupid because they were <american> - but due to something <about the tournaments> themselves. something i would've been able to point to - and this something would <not be> being <american> >

So what's so stupid about them?

Care to elaborate? Because I find your explanation vague

Feb-08-10  Agent Bouncy: Mr Frog's harshest criticism is for those who behave and post in the same way he does. He has a real problem with FDS... No, no, that's not "feminine deodorant spray." It's "Frog's double standard."
Feb-08-10  frogbert: <I do remember you using the word "stupid" in reference to US tournaments, much the same way you used it in reference to riverbeast.>

boz, i don't know what you're thinking of, but it was certainly not used "much the same way" i used it "in reference to riverbeast". btw, i didn't use the word "stupid" about riverbeast. i used it about his <generalization>. but i said he's thickheaded <if> such and such. he can still decide about the <if> himself - it's his choice.

i've already explained some pages back the single use of the words "stupid" and "us tournaments" in the same post, and what you <should> have remembered, was for which purpose the typical us swiss was considered "stupid" - it was written in quotes, with a parenthesis saying "sorry!" - and it's entirely ridiculous if you and others are trying to make a case of "anti-american sentiment" due to that statement, which really was about what nakamura had to do to make his way to the elite level.

history has "proven me right", btw - to borrow riverbeast's words.

you making moral evanluations of a single use of the word "stupid" as some forever-lasting expression of <contempt> towards ... what? everything american? - that's quite silly, regarding the typical "carlsen piss in his pants" comments, or "crush like a dog" bs we regularly read on this page. i don't talk like that, neither about nakamura or anybody else.

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: <Frogbert> The other comments I'm referring to came last year (or late 2008), when Nakamura won five tournaments in a row...And people here were saying Nakamura should be getting invitations to elite tournaments

You immediately scoffed at this...You said his win in Gibraltar was the result of a "swiss wave"....And you found many other reasons to essentially downgrade his accomplishments as not being that of a truly elite player

Don't worry, I'll find them...give me about 5-10 minutes...

And that was just last year, so you can't say Nakamura has improved SO MUCH in the meantime....I don't buy it

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <So what's so stupid about them? >

for pete's sake! i said "even if i would think that ..." and "(i don't, mind you)"

do you care reading what i write, at all, riverbeast? man...

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <The other comments I'm referring to came last year (or late 2008), when Nakamura won five tournaments in a row...>

please do find them, instead of largely misleading attempts at "paraphrasing" me. again, you are wrong on your dates...

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