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Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik 
Photograph copyright © 2007 Milan Kovacs (www.milankovacs.com)  

Number of games in database: 3,249
Years covered: 1984 to 2024
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +549 -171 =959 (61.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1570 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (154) 
    A15 A14 A17 A13 A16
 Sicilian (147) 
    B90 B33 B30 B92 B52
 Queen's Pawn Game (109) 
    D02 A46 E10 D05 D00
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E92 E94 E91 E81
 Reti System (101) 
    A04 A06 A05
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D18 D12
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (270) 
    B33 B30 B31 B62 B65
 Ruy Lopez (182) 
    C67 C65 C84 C78 C95
 Queen's Gambit Declined (123) 
    D37 D35 D38 D39 D31
 Semi-Slav (110) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D48
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Nimzo Indian (81) 
    E32 E21 E34 E54 E46
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2001 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 1995 0-1
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   New York PCA/Intel-GP (1994)
   Belgrade Investbank (1995)
   Hoogovens Group A (1998)
   Amber Blindfold (2003)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Dortmund Open-A (1992)
   World Cup (2013)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Tata Steel Masters (2018)
   Sao Paulo Latin American Cup Open (1991)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1991)
   Biel Interzonal (1993)
   Manila Olympiad (1992)

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   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Vladi Others by fredthebear
   My Life and Games (Kramnik/Damsky) by Qindarka
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   0ZeR0's Favorite Games Volume 75 by 0ZeR0
   Vladimir, the Conqueror by Gottschalk
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 49 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion - and former top ranked player in the world - Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000, he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov, then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. Kramnik relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991, Kramnik won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> Kramnik finished equal first in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed second on tiebreak, behind Andrei Kharlov. He came third ex aequo in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for a share of first and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9.

<World> Kramnik's early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1½-4½, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3½-4½. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3½-5½ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) in London by the score of 8½ to 6½ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <"He is the hardest player to beat in the world.">

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2½ -1½ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4½ to 6½ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vasyl Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guaranteed qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund Sparkassen (2007), Dortmund Sparkassen (2009) and Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in Linares (2003) (shared) and Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus Group A (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8½ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Grand Slam Chess Final (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund Sparkassen (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund Sparkassen (2015). He saw out the year with equal third, scoring 6.5/9 at the powerful Qatar Masters (2015), half a point behind the joint leaders Magnus Carlsen and the rising Chinese star Yangyi Yu. Kramnik started 2016 with equal third on 5/9 at the Norway Chess (2016) behind Carlsen and Aronian respectively after also coming third in the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2016) used to determine the draw. Several months later in July he placed =2nd (with 4/7) behind Vachier-Lagrave at Dortmund Sparkassen (2016). Kramnik's year in standard time chess finished with a reasonably efficacious equal third at the London Chess Classic (2016), a point behind the winner Wesley So.

In April 2017, Kramnik was second on tiebreak ahead of co-runners up Wesley So and Veselin Topalov at the category 21 Gashimov Memorial (2017), scoring 5/9, half a point behind the winner Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Two months later he again placed equal second, this time at the category 22 Norway Chess (2017), scoring 5/9 alongside Hikaru Nakamura, a point behind the winner Levon Aronian.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until Turin Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Dresden Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Tromso Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia. He played board two for Russia in the Baku Olympiad (2016), scoring individual gold for his board, and team bronze with his countrymen.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik participated in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, in 2005 and again in 2015 and 2016. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team in 1998 and 1999, winning team silver in 1999. Since then, he played for NAO Paris in 2005, winning team bronze and for the Siberia Novosibirsk team in the European Club Cup (2015) and European Club Cup (2016) winning team gold in 2015 as well as an individual gold for board 1.

At the Russian Team Championship (2015), Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning gold for that board; his effort also helped his team to win gold. He repeated his individual effort in the Russian Team Championship (2016), this time helping his team to a bronze medal in the double round robin 5-team contest.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2½:1½.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4). From late November to early December 2016, he played a rapid and blitz match against Yifan Hou at the Kings Tournament in Romania, winning both by significant margins, the rapid by 4.5-0.5 and the latter by 6/9 (+5 -3 =2).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14½/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15½/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3½:2½, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.

Kramnik came in equal 5th with 10/15 in the World Rapid Championship (2015), 1.5 points behind the winner Carlsen, and half a point behind the joint runners up Nepomniachtchi, Radjabov and Leinier Dominguez Perez. He followed up the next day with equal second alongside Vachier-Lagrave scoring 15/21, half a point behind the outright winner Alexander Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2015).

Ratings

Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter's successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion's successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Group A (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Last updated: 2023-11-23 11:45:25

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-0311984BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-1311984BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-1521985KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov 1-0381986BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-1491986Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-0181987Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-1371987USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
8. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-0321987GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
9. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-0341987GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
10. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-1251987URS-chT U14A52 Budapest Gambit
11. Yakubovsky vs Kramnik  0-1511987URS-chT U14B23 Sicilian, Closed
12. Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-0421988URSB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
13. Kramnik vs Danislian ½-½601988URS-chT U18B15 Caro-Kann
14. M Golubev vs Kramnik 0-1381988URS-chT U18B33 Sicilian
15. Kramnik vs Yakovich ½-½141989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
16. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½351989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
17. A V Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-1401989Chigorin Memorial-BB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
18. Kramnik vs A Panchenko ½-½601989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
19. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½171989Chigorin Memorial-BD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
20. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½121989Chigorin Memorial-BA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
21. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-0371989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
22. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½521989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
23. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½221989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
24. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-1381989Chigorin Memorial-BB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
25. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½471989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
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Dec-26-11  Mr. Bojangles: C Hitchens I looked forward to his demise.

Glad when it came.

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  alexmagnus: Chessmetrics is a bad descriptor, so using it for historical discussion is useless. It was trimmed to the predictive power. For description, it is bad, for the reason I numerously stated (its rise or fall doesn't depend on whether your recent performance (no matter if raw or padded) was better or was than your rating. That is, it may rise after a bad performance or fall after a good one).
Dec-26-11  IoftheHungarianTiger: Personally, I consider Kasparov to be the strongest player who ever lived. Having said that, he agreed to play under specific rules. These rules required that, if he lost, to regain the title he must first play in a qualifying tournament.

Kasparov himself admitted in an interview with Denis Bilunov (originally shown in KasparovChess.com) that he was not in favor of an automatic rematch, acknowledged that people claimed it was his idea to reject a rematch - and never denied the claim.

In the same interview, he went on to claim that he deserved a rematch based on his tournament victories, essentially claiming that everyone knew he was the best player, and anything less than a rematch would be a farce. I disagree with this belief. Personally, I do not believe the WC should rest on general tournament victories, or who the general public assumes to be the best. It should rest on a qualifying event in which every participant understand what is at stake - and can play and prepare for accordingly.

Obviously, this is not how Kramnik won the title. I don't blame him for his actions, he didn't ask for the opportunity - it was handed to him and he took it. Unlike Shirov and Anand, who had the opportunity to challenge and found issues to squabble over, Kramnik just counted his lucky stars and made the most of it.

To suggest that because Kramnik was afforded an unfair opportunity that he didn't earn, then Kasaprov should be afforded the same right, isn't logical. What happened, happened. Now it was time to put together an working system for the WC. Had Kramnik played Kasparov an automatic rematch, the problem of the title being the property of the WC just would have continued. If the system was ever going to get fixed, then SOMEONE was probably going to have to be the last one to get an easy break.

Anyway, that's my own opinion.

If anyone is interested in the Kasparov article/interview, a reprint can be found at http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/a2a.... I found the last three or four paragraphs to be the most relevant to the issue of the rematch clause and Kasparov's resonsibility for it.

Dec-26-11  frogbert: alexmagnus, whether it's useless or not in a historical perspective depends largely on what's being discussed. for deciding when, limited to a period of ca one year or less, a person had his best results, you are right, obviously. maybe less so for best 4-year period, but the linear weighting will distort the picture and possibly influence the result one would get.

however, much more important imo is that the time of someone's "best results", which is relative to the performances of one's contemporaries, do not necessarily coincide with when someone played his "objectively best chess" in absolute terms. of course, even defining clearly what the latter means is something i consider to be beyond what any of us can reasonably do, but i guess several here are oblivious to such a realization too.

in fact, the most harmful and, i think, wrong assumption that seems quite widespread, is that every player has one clearly defined "career peak" in terms of skills and results. there's nothing in nature that dictates this to be unconditionally true, and even when one peak is objectively a few meters higher than another one -- like the relationship between the two highest mountains in norway -- there need not be anything of significance related to this minor difference.

my suggestion is to more or less stop referring to the singularis "peak" or "prime" of any player, based on the implicit and wrong assumption that only one such can meaningfully exist. i'm totally convinced that players like anand and kasparov both had multiple "peak performances" in periods that were years apart, indicating that the concept of a singular "prime" spanning a continous range of (a few) years isn't as useful as its widespread usage would imply. in fact much less, imho.

Dec-26-11  polarmis: Kramnik talking about one of his first coaches, Vitaly Tseshkovsky, who died on Christmas Eve:

http://whychess.org/node/3617

Dec-26-11  Lambda: Hmm, I think most players do have an identifiable single 'peak' or 'prime'. It's just sometimes it'll be quite short, but for some players (particularly Lasker, Karpov, Kasparov) it can span well over a decade, or even cover virtually an entire career.

But that might be conflating two concepts. Take Alekhine for instance, he seems to have a 'peak' around 1930 where he gets two amazing tournament results right next to each other. But maybe this is just going on top of a 'prime' covering roughly his time as world champion.

The best chess the human brain can manage being producable by some greats through most of their career, but others only in unusual circumstances?

Dec-26-11  King Death: <polarmis> Another insightful interview from Kramnik, on his old coach. It sounds like Tseshkovsky had the skills but not enough discipline to make it big. That was a great comment about his not being a bootlicker. Even contenders for the big prize like Korchnoi felt it when they didn't stay in line or like Petrosian later did after losing to Korchnoi.
Dec-26-11  frogbert: <I think most players do have an identifiable single 'peak' or 'prime'.>

lambda, why?

of course, measured by ratings or performances, one can in retrospect often find some "highest peak" - but in most circumstances this can (and should) be ascribed to normal fluctuations i think; one's results will tend to vary even if one's "absolute strength" doesn't change, and tentatively assigning a player's "peak" to an unusual (!) string of good results isn't necessarily that meaningful.

over a 15-20 year long career, in a sport where experience and knowledge are known to compensate for youthful stamina and freshness, i see nothing odd in players having multiple, distinct periods where everything needed to play their best chess comes together and allows some moments of magic.

<It's just sometimes it'll be quite short>

if it's too short (or very short) and clearly distinguishable from the rest of one's career, it appears to me that the identified "peak" might be nothing more than unusually clustered "lucky circumstances".

returning to kasparov and anand, they both have shown that one can be at the absolute top of the world in the late 30s and the early 40s. and i see very little supporting the (strange) idea we often hear about them having been "clearly much better betwen 25 and 30". they probably had more energy when they were younger, but they were also shorter on knowledge and experience.

Dec-27-11  M.D. Wilson: <Mr. Bojangles: C Hitchens I looked forward to his demise.

Glad when it came.>

Christopher died from eosophageal cancer. You welcomed his demise? He was a man with a family. If you're a Christian, that statement shows you up well and truly. Do you think Jesus would be proud?

Dec-27-11  Mr. Bojangles: Jesus? Who is he?

Am an atheist.

Anyway death is a universal natural end. Why feel sad about the end of someone who makes you unhappy?

Why can't one rejoice at another's death?

Dec-27-11  Shams: <Why can't one rejoice at another's death?>

You can, but if you do it publicly be prepared from scorn from those persons, online or in real life, who aren't yet ignoring you.

Dec-27-11  M.D. Wilson: I'm an atheist too, and you completely missed the point regarding my mentioning of "Jesus". No matter, the construct. If I can appeal to reason; you can rejoice in his death all you like, but I doubt it would be for logical reasons.
Dec-27-11  drik: <shach matov: <drik> If you believe GK's opinion about himself so much then remember what he said about the 2000 match: I simply went mad, it's up to Kramnik to prove it wasn't just a fluke (paraphrased).>

I absolutely believe that Kasparov 'went mad' ... probably a delicate way of saying that he was strongly distracted by problems in his married life. That is GK on GK.

What I don't believe (paraphrased or not) - is that it is the VICTOR'S prerogative to prove that his victory is not a fluke. This sentiment is NOT Kasparov ON Kasparov - it is just Kasparov's opinion.

To summarise - I believe Kasparov ON Kasparov ... but NOT Kasparov on anything.

Dec-27-11  drik: <King Death: < drik: <shach matov: A person's opinion about himself is not always objective, and that includes GK.>>I'm a long way from agreeing with all of what <shach> has to about Kasparov, but we're all creatures capable of self deception. The trick is to try to be free of it but it isn't easy. Self interest plays a part>

Agreed - but what self interest would Kasparov have in stating that his prime was in 99 rather than 89? In fact he is putting his place as the all-time No.1 in question, by admitting that he was beaten so close to his prime - if he had gone for an 89 prime (like Schach) he might dismiss his defeat as simple aging.

As for self-deception, it is possible - but what incredible depth of insight is required for an outsider to know someone better than they know themselves? In your life - does anyone know you better than you know yourself?

<At lower levels the distinction between "positional" and "tactical" may have meaning, but at super GM level, they're strong in every phase of the game.>

At super GM level they are strong in every phase - but still not equally strong. Kasparov's opening prep was tailored to each opponent ... whereas Karpov played the same openings against virtually everybody. So which player needed greater insight into his opponent's psyche?

<I'm not buying that bit of unquestioning acceptance hook line and sinker... that people make these statements for public consumption>

I don't accept them unquestioningly either. I simply think he knows more about himself than anyone & has NO OBVIOUS reason for lying in this case. If you can think of a valid reason why he might lie or even deceive himself about his prime - please provide it. I can't think of any, so I take his words at face value.

Dec-27-11  polarmis: <shach matov: If you believe GK's opinion about himself so much then remember what he said about the 2000 match: I simply went mad, it's up to Kramnik to prove it wasn't just a fluke (paraphrased)>

Not that there's any point dragging up this whole pointless debate, but just for the record the "paraphrase" <I simply went mad> is junk. Here's Kasparov: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

<I never said my loss to Kramnik was an accident, and won’t. If you look at our results before and after the match it looks that way, but he won fair and square. He was better prepared and he did something good for chess. He moved the game forward; he had some great ideas that enriched our understanding of chess.>

Not to say Kasparov didn't spout a lot of utter nonsense about the match and their play before and afterwards, of course :) but he's been better than his worst apologists in accepting the loss wasn't due to some non-chess occurrence.

Dec-27-11  visayanbraindoctor: <polarmis> Thanks for the interview; shows a human side to chess masters.

Clearly Kramnik loved his old coach. Tseshkovsky arrived in his life at the time when teenagers are looking for a role model. Tseshkovsky seemed to have acted as one.

Tseshkovsky was an e4 player, and at least this could partially explain why most of Kramnik's early white games begin with e4.

Dec-27-11  Mr. Bojangles: <If I can appeal to reason; you can rejoice in his death all you like, but I doubt it would be for logical reasons.>

Hitchens was a vicious and ruthless polemist who rejoiced in speaking his mind utterly bluntly with little regard for people's feelings. Ironically it is trait I admire albeit perversely.

However if u offend folks with ur words deliberately and incessantly they r justified in rejoicing at your death just as many folks would rejoice at news of my passing.

As a matter of principle if people can be sad by ones death then some folks should be able to rejoice as well.

Dec-27-11  shach matov: <drik>

I accept most of your post but not regarding the selective acceptance of opinions; lets again be clear here: opinions are still just that, regardless whether they are made about oneself or others.

And lest also not forget the central point here: I am looking for the prime period of at least 5-7 years, not just one year. It's possible that he was in great form in 99 but it certainly doesn't mean that he was in his prime. Look at Karpov's historic Linares 94 - his best ever performance when he was obviously past his prime.

Dec-27-11  Petrosianic: <Hitchens was a vicious and ruthless polemist who rejoiced in speaking his mind utterly bluntly with little regard for people's feelings.>

Well, he was British, after all.

<However if u offend folks with ur words deliberately and incessantly they r justified in rejoicing at your death>

You think so? You sure it's not simply a test that they've failed? If you change the word "justified" to "tempted", I'd have no problem with it.

Dec-27-11  Lambda: <lambda, why?>

I think I've seen enough random statistical fluctuation to recognise it when I see it, and I frequently don't see it being the only thing governing chess careers. If you plot a load of ratings on a graph, you can see all the small random variations, and then you can also see - for some players a sharp peak, for some players a long plateau of excellence, and for some a gradual ascent then descent, which is way out of proportion to the variation. If it was random, you'd expect to see a greater number of medium-sized rises and falls. But you don't, you only get the big peaks, and the small fluctuations.

<Look at Karpov's historic Linares 94 - his best ever performance when he was obviously past his prime.>

Really? A couple of years later he was wiping out Gelfand and Kamsky to defend his FIDE title without being threatened at all, still (normally) untouchable in a match by anyone who isn't Kasparov. I think Karpov's peak has to extend to about 1996. A small tendency towards 'lapses' creeps in around 1990, but I don't think you can ascribe much significance to it. The thing about the two super-K's is they both had <really long> peak periods.

Dec-27-11  Pensive: An atheist rejoices at the death of their enemies; a Christian rejoices at the death of their friends.
Dec-27-11  Petrosianic: <Hitchens was a vicious and ruthless polemist who rejoiced in speaking his mind utterly bluntly with little regard for people's feelings.>

That's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a difference between telling people things they don't want to hear, and telling them things in an insulting way. I don't know enough about Hitchens to know how much he did of either one. But someone who won't tell you things you need to hear because it might hurt your feelings is a problem too. These days we tend to err more towards that than the other.

Dec-27-11  Mr. Bojangles: <An atheist rejoices at the death of their enemies; a Christian rejoices at the death of their friends.>

lol

Dec-27-11  Billy Vaughan: <An atheist rejoices at the death of their enemies; a Christian rejoices at the death of their friends.>

Clever!

I remember Hitchens rejoicing at Jerry Falwell's death and defending on TV the very point Mr. Bojangles is making.

And depending on what kind of Christian you are you might also rejoice at the death of your enemies. ;)

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