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Hikaru Nakamura
Nakamura 
 

Number of games in database: 3,915
Years covered: 1995 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2804 (2734 rapid, 2837 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +593 -246 =724 (61.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 2352 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (272) 
    B90 B30 B23 B51 B42
 Ruy Lopez (172) 
    C65 C67 C77 C78 C84
 Reti System (148) 
    A06 A04 A05
 Queen's Gambit Declined (119) 
    D37 D31 D38 D30 D35
 Queen's Pawn Game (115) 
    A45 D00 E10 D02 A46
 Nimzo Indian (77) 
    E32 E46 E34 E21 E20
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (251) 
    B90 B30 B80 B22 B92
 Ruy Lopez (247) 
    C67 C65 C70 C78 C72
 Queen's Gambit Declined (156) 
    D37 D31 D30 D39 D06
 Queen's Pawn Game (123) 
    D02 A40 A45 A41 A46
 King's Indian (114) 
    E97 E92 E90 E63 E94
 Giuoco Piano (107) 
    C53 C50 C54
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Krasenkow vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2010 0-1
   Rybka vs Nakamura, 2008 0-1
   So vs Nakamura, 2015 0-1
   G Sagalchik vs Nakamura, 2003 0-1
   Crafty vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Nakamura vs Karjakin, 2004 1-0
   Nakamura vs Kramnik, 2012 1-0
   Nakamura vs J W Loyte, 2001 1-0
   A Beliavsky vs Nakamura, 2009 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Trophee CCAS (2008)
   Corsica Masters (2007)
   Meltwater Tour Final (2021)
   Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020)
   Bullet Chess Championship (2023)
   Ordix Open (2009)
   Chess.com Speed Chess Championship 2017/18 (2017)
   Magnus Carlsen Chess Tour Finals (2020)
   New In Chess Classic (2021)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   Tata Steel India (2022)
   chess.com Speed Chess (2020)
   Chess.com SpeedChess Finals (2024)
   Pro Chess League (2018)
   PRO League Group Stage (2019)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Naka's Nook Mistook Fredthebear stan theo by fredthebear
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 212 by 0ZeR0
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 243 by 0ZeR0
   Notable Nakamura Games by caracas1970
   book: Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by Baby Hawk
   Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by kenilworthian
   Vid e o put Fredthebear in th is cent ury by fredthebear
   Notable Nakamura Games by iron maiden
   2020 The Corona Beer & Black Bears Matter Mo Ode by fredthebear
   Hikaru! by larrewl
   Match Nakamura! by docjan
   Match Nakamura! by amadeus

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Norway Chess
   Nakamura vs D Gukesh (Jun-03-25) 1-0
   Carlsen vs Nakamura (Jun-02-25) 1-0, armageddon
   Carlsen vs Nakamura (Jun-02-25) 1/2-1/2
   Nakamura vs Caruana (Jun-01-25) 1/2-1/2
   Nakamura vs Caruana (Jun-01-25) 1/2-1/2, armageddon

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HIKARU NAKAMURA
(born Dec-09-1987, 37 years old) Japan (federation/nationality United States of America)

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IM (2001); GM (2003). Hikaru Nakamura won the US Championship in 2004, 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2019. He was the world's second-ranked player as of October 2015. In July 2023, he married WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan.

Prodigy

Christopher Hikaru Nakamura was born December 9, 1987 in Hirakata in Osaka, Japan, to a Japanese father and an American mother. He is the younger brother of Asuka Nakamura. When he was two years old, he and his mother and brother moved to the United States. He started playing chess when he was seven, coached by his stepfather, Sunil Weeramantry. He was the youngest player in US history to defeat an International Master (Jay Bonin) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 0 months), to become a National Master (USCF) (10 years, 79 days), to defeat a Grandmaster (Arthur Bisguier) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 117 days), and to become an IM (13 years, 2 months), although most of these records have subsequently been surpassed. In 2003 he became the USA's youngest-ever grandmaster (15 years, 2 months and 19 days), a record later broken by Fabiano Caruana and Ray Robson.

Championships

<Youth> In 2001 he won the World U14 championship.

<National> When he won the Chessmaster US Championship 2005 (2004) (on tiebreak from Alexander Stripunsky), he was the youngest player to win the US championship since Robert James Fischer. He also won the US Championship (2009) outright by half a point ahead of the joint runners-up Robert Hess and Alexander Onischuk, and the United States Championship (2012) outright by a full point ahead of the winner of the 2010 and 2011 events, Gata Kamsky. He won the national title for a fourth time when he took out the US Championship (2015) with 8/11, half a point ahead of the outright runner up Ray Robson.

<World championship cycle> Seeded number 87 and aged 16, Nakamura reached the final 16 in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), defeating 46th seed Sergey Volkov, 19th seeded Aleksej Aleksandrov, and 51st seed Alexander Lastin in the preliminary rounds before bowing out to number 3 seed and finalist Michael Adams in the round of 16. He qualified to play in the World Cup (2013) through his rating, and defeated Peruvian WGM Deysi Estela Cori Tello in the first round, Azeri GM Eltaj Safarli in the second round and Indian GM Baskaran Adhiban in the third round, but was eliminated in the Round of 16 (fourth round) by Ukrainian GM Anton Korobov. He qualified by rating to participate in the World Cup (2015), and is doing so although he has already qualified for the Candidates Tournament of 2016 via the Grand Prix series of 2014-15. He defeated Richmond Phiri, Sam Shankland in the first two rounds, as well as Ian Nepomniachtchi in a third round thriller that Nakamura won in the deciding Armageddon blitz tiebreaker game after the three previous sets of rapid and blitz tiebreakers had been drawn. In the Round of 16 (the fourth round) he won against Michael Adams by 1.5-0.5 but lost to Pavel Eljanov in the quarter final, bowing out of the event.

<Grand Prix Series 2012-2013> He started the Grand Prix series with last at the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012). After bouncing back into contention with outright second in the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), a poor showing at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) eliminated him from contention for the top 2 spots that would have qualified him for the 2014 Candidates Tournament. (1) He did however place 3rd behind Fabiano Caruana and Boris Gelfand in the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) to accumulate 300 GP points and place 6th in the 2012-13 Grand Prix series. Subsequently, his only chance to play in the 2014 Candidates Tournament was to be nominated as the Organizer's wild card once the venue was settled, however this did not eventuate.

<Grand Prix Series 2014-2015> Nakamura competed in the first leg of the series at the FIDE Grand Prix Baku (2014), where he scored 6/11 to place 3rd-7th, half a point behind the joint leaders Caruana and Gelfand. He therefore kicked off with a GP tally of 82 points, representing the even distribution of points applicable to each place from 3rd to 7th. In the second leg of the series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2014), he placed =2nd and stood in 2nd place overall, excellently situated to take advantage of the opportunity to qualify for the Candidates tournament in 2016. He took full advantage of this in FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015), when he came =1st to qualify for the Candidates Tournament of 2016.

Standard tournaments

In 2005, he won the 7th Foxwoods Open (2005).

In 2007, he won both the National Open (2007) that was held in Las Vegas and the Casino de Barcelona (2007).

The following year, he beat Xiangzhi Bu in the play-off to win the Gibraltar Masters (2008) Masters Open with 8.0/10.

Nakamura tied for first with Evgeny Najer at the 37th World Open (2009) after taking two last-day byes, each worth half a point and won the Donostia Chess Festival (2009) in tiebreak over Ruslan Ponomariov.

In 2010, he came =4th at Corus Group A (2010), and was equal top scorer in the victorious Rising Stars team in the Rising Stars - Experience (2010) tournament. He scored 5/9 (+1 -0 =8) at the Tal Memorial (2010), placing =4th, and finished the year with =4th place in the London Chess Classic (2010).

Nakamura began 2011 by taking clear first place at the A-Group of the prestigious category 20 Tata Steel Group A (2011) (formerly Corus) with a 9/13 score (+6 -1 =6) and a 2880 performance rating, ahead of a powerful field including the world's top four players: World Champion Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Levon Aronian and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. In June 2011, Nakamura placed =3rd in the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), in July he scored 4.5/10 at Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), in August he came =1st in the 2011 US Open Championship with 7.5/9 and in October he came =3rd in the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011) with 5/10. The following month, he suffered a lapse in form at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2011), scoring 3/9 and coming last but recovered to finish 2011 with second place behind Kramnik at the category 20 London Chess Classic (2011), scoring +4 -1 =3 (TPR of 2887).

He started 2012 by coming =2nd (4th on count back) at the Reggio Emilia (2011), half a point behind Anish Giri, and then came =5th at Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9). He followed up in April 2012 with 1st at the 6th Annual Grand Pacific Open held in British Columbia. He competed in the Tal Memorial (2012) held in June, scoring 4/9. In July/August 2012, Nakamura placed a solid =3rd at the Biel Chess Festival (2012), but underperformed at the European Club Cup (2012), although in October 2012, he recovered to some extent by winning the 4 player double round robin 16th Unive Tournament (2012) (crown group) with 4.5/6 (+3 -0 =3). Nakamura finished 2012 with a strong 3rd placement in the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Carlsen and Kramnik, adding enough rating points to restore him to the top 10.

2013 started with a modest 7/13 result for outright 6th at the Tata Steel Group A (2013) event. He then followed up in May 2013 with equal 2nd at the Norway Chess (2013) with 5.5/9, half a point behind Sergey Karjakin and 3rd on tiebreak behind Carlsen; he also placed =2nd with 6/9 at the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2013) held to determine the draw for the main tournament, and earned the right to play with the White pieces in 5 games out of 9. In June 2013, he contested the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013), and was outright leader after 6 rounds. However, he lost the last 3 game to place 6th with 4.5/9, winning more games (4) and losing more games (4) than any other player in the tournament. Soon after, he came =3rd in the Houston Open in July 2013. In September he played in the quadrangular double round robin category 22 Sinquefield Cup (2013), and was in contention for first place until the last round, when he drew against Gata Kamsky finishing second with 3.5/6 (+2 -1 =3; TPR 2863) behind Magnus Carlsen.

Nakamura's first event in 2014 was the category 20 Tata Steel Masters (2014) where he scored 5/11 (+2 -3 =6) to shed a few rating points for FIDE's February rating list. He next competed in the category 23 Zurich Chess Challenge (2014) in which he placed 4th with 2/5 after coming agonisingly close to defeating World Champion Magnus Carlsen. He came 2nd with 3.5/5 in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2014) which followed the standard time event, to remain in 4th in the overall event with the results of the standard and rapid events combined. In April, he participated in the inaugural Gashimov Memorial (2014), a category XXII 6-player DRR event inaugurated in honor of the late Azeri grandmaster, scoring 5/10 and placing =3rd behind Carlsen and Caruana. At the London Chess Classic (2014), he scored 2.5/5 to place 4th.

Nakamura's start to 2015 was to win the powerful Gibraltar Masters (2015) with 8.5/10 (+7 =3), and return a PB on his live rating and his new FIDE rating due in March. Despite cracking the 2800 barrier in the live ratings during the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015) held in February, he placed outright 2nd in the standard portion of the event behind Anand, ahead of Kramnik, Karjakin, Aronian and Caruana respectively. His second place in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015) with 3/5 made him =1st with Anand in the overall event, but he won an Armageddon tiebreaker with the former World Champion to win first prize. His good form continued at the category 22 Norway Chess (2015) event, where he was undefeated to place =2nd (3rd on a narrow SB tiebreak), behind Topalov and alongside Anand with 6/9 and a TPR of 2900. In September he competed in the second leg of the inaugural Grand Chess Tour at Sinquefield Cup (2015), and finished equal second with 5/9 behind Aronian in what amounted to a par for rating performance. October saw Nakamura compete in the lucrative Millionaire Chess (2015) tournament, which he won after battling through a complicated tiebreak system that involved a playoff to decide a playoff for fourth, and then winning a knockout rapid game semi-final that was called after round 7 of 9 of the main standard time event. He finished the year with a poor performance at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he came in toward the bottom of the field after scoring 4/9.

He started 2016 with an upbeat result at the Gibraltar Masters (2016), winning first prize after a rapid and blitz game tiebreak that ended in an Armageddon victory against runner-up Maxime Vachier-Lagrave. He finished clear second at the
FIDE Grand Swiss (2023), scoring 8/11 (+5 =6 -0) and qualifying for the 2024 Candidates tournament.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Nakamura has represented the U.S. in the Olympiads of 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014, helping his country to the bronze medal in 2006 and 2008. He scored 6/10 during the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) on top board for the USA and a performance rating of 2741 and 6/9 in the Istanbul Olympiad (2012), coming in fourth on top board. His overall score in Olympiads is 31 points accumulated in 49 games played.

<World Team Championship> Nakamura played board 1 for the USA at the World Team Championship (2010), scoring individual gold and team silver. He also played top board at the World Team Championship (2013), winning individual silver and helping his team to 4th place in the event.

<European Club Cup> He played top board for the SK Husek Vienna in the European Club Cup (2009) and top board for the Italian club Obiettivo Risarcimento Padova in 2012 and 2013, second board for the Italian club in 2014 and board 3 for the same club in 2015. He scored individual bronze in 2013 and 2014.

Rapids

Nakamura is one of the world's best rapid and blitz players, and the world's best bullet (one-minute) player. He regularly plays on the internet, usually at the ICC where he is the highest rated player (userid <Smallville>), and at Playchess, where he is known as <Star Wars>. He has set many rating records under different categories. In 2008, he challenged and broke blitz king Alexander Grischuk 's record at ICC of 3737, reaching 3750. Grischuk subsequently challenged Nakamura to a 20 game 3 minutes blitz match, which Nakamura took out convincingly by 14.5-5.5. (2) He also won the first ICC Open in 2011 ahead of over 2000 other contestants. (3)

In 2007, he won the annual Corsica Masters (2007), defeating Rustam Kasimdzhanov in the final. One of the most convincing demonstrations of Nakamura's ability as a rapid player was when he won the Trophee CCAS (2008), defeating Xiangzhi Bu, Anatoly Karpov and Vasyl Ivanchuk in the playoff matches to take first prize in a field that included Carlsen. Nakamura also defeated Carlsen to take out the BNbank Blitz (2009). He was runner-up to Ivanchuk at the Cap d'Agde (2010) in the playoff. He also defeated Rising Stars team mate Anish Giri for the right to play at Amber 2011.

In 2012, Nakamura won the trifecta of silver medals at the SportAccord World Mind Games (Men's Rapid) (2012), the World Mind Games (Men's Blitz) and the World Mind Games (Men's Blindfold) events. He closed out 2013 by winning the London Chess Classic (Knockout) (2013), defeating Gelfand in the final by 1.5-0.5, after qualifying for the final by winning the preliminary London Chess Classic (Group C) (2013).

In June 2014, he competed in both the World Rapid Championship (2014) and the World Blitz Championship (2014) that were held in Dubai. In the former, he scored a relatively meager 8.5/15, losing 40 rapid rating points, while he was much more successful in the latter, scoring 16/21, being the runner up by a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen. His blitz rating skyrocketed to over 2900. Subsequently he competed in the Super Rapidplay Open that was a companion event to the 2014 London Classic (see above), winning the event with an almost perfect score of 9.5/10. He also competed in the London Elite Player Blitz that was the other companion event, and placed =1st with 6/10.

The 2016 edition of the Zurich Chess Challenge was a two-part event, which kicked off with a preliminary Zurich Chess Challenge (Opening Blitz) (2016) to determine who had three whites in the five rounds of the Zurich Chess Challenge (2016) (rapid). Nakamura placed first in the Opening Blitz earning the use of the white pieces in three of the five rounds of the first section of the actual tournament, the round robin rapid event where he placed equal first alongside Anand. Nakamura playing the black pieces three times in the second section of the event, the Zurich Chess Challenge (Blitz) (2016), again placed equal first with Anand to tie the overall score, but won on tiebreak to take first prize.

He has authored the book Bullet Chess: One Minute to Mate.

Matches

In December 2004, Nakamura played the best-of-six game Karjakin - Nakamura Match (2004) in the "Duelo de los Jovenes Prodigios" (Duel of the Wonder Boys) in Cuernavaca, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, winning 4.5-1.5 (+4 -1 =1). In May 2011 at the St Louis chess club, he won the Nakamura - Ponomariov Match (2011) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =3 -1). In June 2014, he played for the Cez Trophy Navara - Nakamura Match (2014) in Praha, Czechia, which involved a 4-game standard time match against David Navara. He won the match by 3.5-0.5.

960 Chess

In August 2009, Nakamura defeated Aronian in Mainz, Germany to become the 960 world champion and remained unchallenged as such until Carlsen defeated him in a match in February 2018 by a margin of 14-10.

Ratings and rankings

Nakamura's highest ranking as a Junior (U20) was #3 in April 2004 and 2005. He first broke into the world's top 100 in October 2004 when he was still 16 years old, and has remained in the top 100 continuously since that time. He reached the world's top 10 in January 2011, and has remained in that elite group continuously since January 2013. In September 2015 his rating reached 2814 despite which he was still ranked world #4 behind Carlsen, Anand and Topalov respectively. However in October 2016, his ranking reached its highest point so far, 2816, when his ranking was world #2, his highest ranking so far.

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012–2013 (2) http://dod.ru/chess/game/Crest/Smal...; (3) Further details are at this post: Hikaru Nakamura; (4) https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast... (podcast interview by Ben Johnson through iTunes); Live rating list: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Hikaru Nakamura

Last updated: 2024-04-14 20:46:42

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 page 1 of 157; games 1-25 of 3,915  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Predescu vs Nakamura 1-0641995U.S. National Scholastic Grade 2 ChampionshipB08 Pirc, Classical
2. L Au vs Nakamura 1-0431997Hawaii opB83 Sicilian
3. Nakamura vs J Bonin 1-0361997Marshall Chess ClubC02 French, Advance
4. J Kleinman vs Nakamura  ½-½411997January CongressA49 King's Indian, Fianchetto without c4
5. Nakamura vs B Karen 0-1521997Nassau FuturityB06 Robatsch
6. A Bisguier vs Nakamura 0-1211998Somerset ACN Action SwissE70 King's Indian
7. B Karen vs Nakamura  0-1261998Nassau g/30B23 Sicilian, Closed
8. A Stripunsky vs Nakamura 0-1431998Marshall Chess ClubB40 Sicilian
9. P MacIntyre vs Nakamura  1-0541998US Amateur Team EastA07 King's Indian Attack
10. J Thinnsen vs Nakamura 1-035199899th US OpenA45 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Nakamura vs I Krush 1-062199899th US OpenB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
12. S Kriventsov vs Nakamura  1-0241999Rated TournamentB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
13. Nakamura vs J Fang 0-12119998th Eastern Class ChampionshipsB73 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
14. A David vs Nakamura  1-025199927th World OpenB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
15. Nakamura vs W Paschall  ½-½251999North Bay OpenB65 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...Be7 Defense, 9...Nxd4
16. J Hebert vs Nakamura  1-0601999North Bay OpenE97 King's Indian
17. Nakamura vs V Rajlich  1-0521999North Bay OpenB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
18. G Taylor vs Nakamura  1-0311999North Bay OpenE75 King's Indian, Averbakh, Main line
19. Nakamura vs F Baragar  0-1451999North Bay OpenC17 French, Winawer, Advance
20. M Stroud vs Nakamura  0-1371999North Bay OpenE92 King's Indian
21. S Glinert vs Nakamura  ½-½381999North Bay OpenA07 King's Indian Attack
22. D Moody vs Nakamura 0-1201999100th US OpenB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
23. Nakamura vs A Aleksandrov ½-½601999100th US OpenC45 Scotch Game
24. A Wojtkiewicz vs Nakamura 1-0421999100th US OpenE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
25. Nakamura vs G Gaiffe 1-0541999100th US OpenB23 Sicilian, Closed
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Feb-01-10  timhortons: <Bobby Fiske>

have a good day to you too.

i hope i could slowly take in frogs messages and i hope his sarcasm on naka go low, at least i noticed it mid corus he did go low as if hes already a fan.

Feb-01-10  timhortons: < boz >

ok boz, i hope you dont get sensitive enough of those parachute thing,maybe i can say things in a more nicer way the next time, naka, caruana or wesley so is winning:)

Feb-01-10  NakoSonorense: I don't understand why you people are trying to reason with Tim. This is one of the purest forms of comedy (in a very wicked, odd, and perverted way)

Naka, Naka, Naka... Gooo!

Feb-01-10  timhortons: <This is one of the purest forms of comedy >

lets enjoy it.

nako! nako! nako!

Feb-01-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: At least you are not a fan of Bu Xiangzhi... "Great Bu's Up!" would be your "motto" then ;)
Feb-01-10  boz: Hey, <alexmagnus> how come you aren't posting a demonstration of how Nakamura exceeded all mathematical probability? I'd like to hear in your own words how he exceeded your expectations and made a monkey out of you and your silly bet ;)
Feb-01-10  Poisonpawns: SPECIAL REPORT: GARRY KASPAROV announces that he is no longer training MAGNUS CARLSEN and that he is training HIKARU NAKAMURA, when questioned about this change, KASPAROV replied; NAKAMURA IS JUST WAY MORE TALENTED.I GAVE ALL MY ANALYSIS TO MAGNUS AND HE BARELY WON CORUS.

here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZqc...

Feb-01-10
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  alexmagnus: <boz> I actually mentioned my lost bet yesterday. And it was not that silly - Naka exceeded my bet just by half a point. That's the point of betting, you never bet on something you are <certain> about (that's why betting is generally cosidered <gambling>). And yeah, I lost. So tim may wish something, as I said yesterday. Nothing with monkey :).
Feb-01-10  frogbert: boz, just to demonstrate my "attitude" regarding expectations - here's something i wrote before linares 2008 when people were cheering for carlsen to win <prior> to the event:

<please, don't drive the expectations too high for carlsen now - in my opinion he's "only" an outsider in such a field. the others are as strong and stronger, and they all have (much) more experience at this level.>

eventually carlsen finished unshared 2nd, for which i was happy of course - but attacking me in retrospect for being a "carlsen naysayer" or hater would indeed be a ridiculous thing to do. "demanding" that i should treat nakamura with more optimistic forecasts than i've consistently done regarding carlsen appears quite illogical to me.

two years ago, there was a long debate about nakamura (and other talents) on mig's blog, following nakamura's win in gibtelecom 2008. i felt i had a good discussion with several fans and acquaintances of nakamura back then - so it is possible to do that, if both parties show the other some respect.

direct links to my posts then:

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...

i'm sure even reasonable "critics" of mine like boz might find something "objectionable" in what i wrote back then, but i have no intention to "hide" anything - my goal is to lead constructive discussions for our mutual education and enjoyment.

some direct quotes of what i wrote 2 years ago:

<Which tournaments should Nakamura play to up his rating and improve? He doesn't need to go to playing averages of 2670+ (like Carlsen did last year - in 2007), he needs to go from playing 2500-averages to facing 2600-averages first!>

he did so, in san sebastian, amsterdam and london - for instance. the 2009 ecc was also a good experience, as was the austrian league and the somewhat stronger french league.

<I think Naka is a bit shortsighted when he turns down Corus B and doesn't go to Aeroflot open - europeans in a similar situation would do that (the situation being, not longer a prodigy with special treatment due to young age, but still young and promising, and in lack of top invitations). Seek and play the best opposition you can get, improve your rating and you might have a chance.>

<Of course, I'd hope that Nakamura would challenge himself to see how far he can go in terms of chess. If the only motivation to become an elite player is the positive thing it would do for your bank account, then he might as well continue to pickpocket US master players in US opens :o) To me, Nakamura appears to be a great talent, even if not quite comparable to Radjabov, Karjakin and Carlsen, in my opinion (and most Naka fans will disagree, of course).>

regarding the last quote, i'm slowly changing my mind: today it appears that nakamura's talent <is> indeed comparable to that of radjabov and karjakin. i still don't think his talent is quite comparable to carlsen's - but carlsen is described as a one in a generation kind of talent by kasparov. saying that someone isn't quite as talented as carlsen (see the carlsen page today for a summary of what he's achieved between 17 and 19) should hardly be considered an insult to anyone - or even as an expression of skepticism in any way.

after corus, nakamura is back at his previous "best" rating, 2735 rounded, as he had in the september 2009 rating list. back then, that was equivalent to a 15th place, and he was 2710 in the previous list. now he's gained not 25 but 27 points, and he's done that against even stronger opposition than last time (when the gain was primarily due to winning san sebastian) - which is a <very good sign> for nakamura. 2735 is now equivalent to a 17th place based on the latest live list. it will be very interesting following nakamura's next event - and i look forward to that as much as to carlsen's next event.

i also follow closely everybody else i consider great chess talents - the dutch "import" giri (russian citizen for most of his life, parents from russia and nepal) appears very interesting, and wesley so could very well have won corus b without the accident against giri - and obviously karjakin, wang hao, tomashevsky, caruana are all worth keeping an eye on. i agree with kramnik: the chess future looks bright! :o)

Feb-01-10  frogbert: <I think sometimes all the aggressive talk over here has a pull for him>

boz, not aggressive talk. by now i've censored most of the very aggressive posters. but i find disagreement much more interesting than agreement in the context of discussions. what is there to discuss if everyone thinks the same?

however, i dislike discussions turning personal - it's the opinions and the arguments we're here to debate, not the persons making them. unfortunately, it's way too easy to start firing at the messenger instead of the message. especially when the message appears true, but doesn't describe one's preferred reality.

Feb-01-10  frogbert: <how come you aren't posting a demonstration of how Nakamura exceeded all mathematical probability?>

boz, maybe cause he didn't? reportedly jeff sonas even thinks the difference between nakamura's rating and his performance in corus is within the margin of the <maximum accuracy> that the rating system can guarantee, by its nature. :o)

anyway, nakamura did more or less exactly as expected against the 2700+ players, while he <over-performed> quite a lot against the 5 sub-2700 players.

his rating gain from corus a:

8x 2700+ opponents: +0,1 points
5x 2600+ opponents: +12,1 points

so, nakamura did exceed rating system "expectations", but it can be broken down like this:

8x 2700+ opponents: 2711 tpr
5x 2600+ opponents: 2906 tpr

this is very similar to what we've seen morozevich do on numerous occasions. the score against the sub-2700 opponents was <very> impressive - but like i've said already: for me, the biggest statement was his play against the strongest players.

Feb-01-10  frogbert: <Nothing with monkey :)>

monkey? what monkey-business in particular did you fear? ;o)

Feb-01-10  timhortons: http://www.hikarunakamura.com/main/...

Written by: Hikaru Nakamura
2/1/2010 10:38 AM

Greetings to everyone out there once again! Since I am spending much of the next 24 hours traveling, I will not be able add a blog until I am back in the US. Having said that, I hope everyone enjoyed the games, and I look forward to recapping all the exciting action over the past month!

Feb-01-10  boz: <the biggest statement was his play against the strongest players>

Yes, only Kramnik completely outplayed him beginning with a nice opening idea.

Karjakin cooly exploited his overeagerness to win. A valuable lesson in objectivity there.

Everybody learns a few hard lessons the first time out. Carlsen was maybe a little in awe in 2007. Some players learn they just can't win at this level. Others learn they can't win everytime.

These are lessons gained by testing one's limits, by pushing hard. We know Nakamura has the courage. We'll find out whether he can use it wisely. I liked the way he stopped the bleeding here, kept his cool and finished well.

It's also worth pointing out that he dispatched the 2600s convincingly, never in trouble, never needing a blunder to help him through.

But I agree that the true test is how he performs against the 2700 crowd. I think it won't be long before we'll narrow that to 2750 and above.

Feb-01-10  BTO7: frogbert <is quite close to my own assessment - the difference being of course that when kramnik adjusts his view <based on what he used to see and (now) sees from naka> then the nakamura fans do not attack kramnik as a hater and a naysayer that has been proven wrong, but rather embraces him and his new praise for nakamura.> This is interesting to note here. As you have provided statistical reasons for your assessment of strength, I as one of Naka's fans said i based it on more of what I felt and seen...much like Kramnik here. You say he adjusts his view so the fans wont hate him but im willing to bet...kramnik did not sit down and crunch the numbers as you have. Thus his view was more base as mine was ...on what he sees (obviously more then me being a top gm) but none the less in the same fashion. I see you being very liberal here with kramnik because you stated you hated people who just go by their gut feeling and what they see with basically no statistical backup. I said numbers are not everything and while absolute ..not perfect indicators of actual real world events. While we both arrived at a conclusion before on very different grounds I have to say if anything it goes to show that you dont need to hate us who go by the gut...our predictions were every bit as accurate as your and in fact more so actually. Call if faith maybe ...call it luck but call it anything but stupid or with out merit. As boz pointed out your a scientist and thats fair...but dont fall so far into the science that basic sense gets over looked and spit on. We all root our hero's in different ways...some maybe not as accurate as you do ...but to dismiss all thats said as being rubbish because you see no numbers to back it up is a bit naive. Your numbers go wrong plenty and sometimes you stand on them like nothing else is open to discussion. In the match of Naka and Magnus you posted here several times while the match went on ...move 5 ..naka is looking for a draw...later on naka makes a move ..and its ...i dont wanna do nothing magnus try to get me if you can ...then again later naka wants a draw. You based move 5 on a line you think based on stats is a drawn line. I was in fact magnus who put his hand out first ect. My point is again you were going by the numbers against the moves made on board and it wasnt really factual in this game at all. Please respect others opinions and beliefs if they are not all backed up by numbers because numbers are not the end all tell all. Some can see the talent in a boxer who has never stepped in the ring ...with no numbers at all and say...this guy has what it takes to become champion..and be extremely close to being exactly right. Kramnik said what he said i think soley on what he sees now in Naka and nothing to do with any previous stats...a thing in which you think is a horrible way of determining a persons strength. So in that respect we too as naka fans deserve a bit more credit for our (different from yours) understanding of the game and what we see. No hard feelings here :)
Feb-01-10  Atking: So many pages from yesterday. You resume my point <Boz> Only Kramnik (With White!) outplayed Nakamura. There is one thing with statistic and another with the nature of the games. The only difficult game I felt Nakamura could lost an half point was vs Dominguez (The latter in time difficulty and drawish mood most of the tournament). But the same argument could be used too for Carlsen himself or Kramnik eventually Anand *(Globally I think now that Shirov was as well lucky and unlucky - If that term makes sense ?-) . That means only these players were more experimented. * Needless to say that all these players have my respect.

I'm not convinced too by the argument Nakamura did badly up 2750 (Indeed the game he overpressed (vs Karjakin)) the fact he was only one point to the top for his first attempt. Looking at the games again only Tiviakov who cared to much about the rating or Van Wely who was to speculative (Still Nakamura wins looks more convincving than Carlsen's) the top players could be challenged by some players down to 2750 as Short or Caruana (Indeed they were in great danger to lost).

Feb-01-10  Atking: Yes <BTO7> rationality and statistic are not exactly connected. Statistic is just an indicator. Not good to use it as an absolute argument.
Feb-01-10  Atking: <alexmagnus: <boz> I actually mentioned my lost bet yesterday. And it was not that silly - Naka exceeded my bet just by half a point. That's the point of betting, you never bet on something you are <certain> about (that's why betting is generally cosidered <gambling>).> Another post I felt bad about. I cut the last syntax <guidelines 3> Your bet was totally immature <alexmagnus>. What it was indeed? Only provocation. I clearly prefer <frogbert> who try to initiate a debate. <Naka exceeded my bet just by half a point.> "just" what do you want exactly? That is the result of the actual world champion. Maybe you hoped for one point which was indeed very realistic (Caruana's game) as Kramnik former world champion -quite lucky here- maybe you hope for one and half as... Why you can't say simply "I was wrong in my expectation, Nakamura was very impressive in Corus". That will be great. Take lesson from <Augalv> he is a great fan of Karjakin but he is able to congratulate Karjakin's opponent when they did well.
Feb-01-10  timhortons: GM nakamura playing blitz @ ICC with 239 observers.

<i play for fans>

see yah guys @ icc.

Feb-01-10
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  alexmagnus: <Your bet was totally immature <alexmagnus>. What it was indeed? Only provocation.>

No, I didn't intend to provoke someone. I just like competition (that's why I like debates and chess). Once again I'm misunderstood.

<I clearly prefer <frogbert> who try to initiate a debate.>

I do similar way often (i.e. initiating a constructive debate. Actually a debate preceded my bet suggestion). And I am often misunderstood (see some exchanges between me and visayanbraindoctor to see the nature of those misunderstandings, which are particular funny since my debating technique in those exchanges was loaned from actual debating competitions I participated at as a teen).

<"just" what do you want exactly? >

I mean in comparison to boz's assessment that Nakamura's performance "made a monkey of myself". It's not like my betting range was way off Nakamura's performance... I accepted the lost bet, but I don't accept being called a monkey for losing it. Now, is the <monkey> stuff mature, now that you "accuse" myself of immaturity?

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  alexmagnus: Also note, <Atking>, if I won my bet, it wouldn't mean a bad performance, so you reference to the world champion makes no sense. I didn't bet he performs badly, the bet was that he performs within a certain TPR range.

Actually my bet had not only an upper, but also a lower border of performance. That exact bet was not Naka performing <2750 but Naka performing in the 2650-2750 range.

Feb-01-10  BTO7: lol alex ....looked you had plenty of LOWER for naka then higher ..as he out performed you very top ...looks maybe that should have been more like 2700-2800 :)
Feb-01-10  timhortons: alex, can we all be like lovebirds just the way you guys doin at magnus page? lets all agree that naka will barge in at the top 10 soon, ok.

i hope some of the lovebirds at magnus page who fly these way agree.

isnt it nice if we all agree on a thing and their will be no fighting at all?

i envy your sweet nothings at magnus page, all of you agree on the same thin and nobody fightin.

Feb-01-10  frogbert: <Not good to use it as an absolute argument.>

atking, what does "an absolute argument" mean?

statistics are statistics. rating performances are way more objective than any considerations about "quality of games" or such, made by more or less biased people.

and the bigger the sample, the more confidence we can have in the message of the stats.

obviously you are welcome to think that it was accidental and by chance nakamura's performance against the sub-2700 players was clearly better than against the 2700+ players, also here in corus. seeing that this pattern has been the same over the last two years (at least) is however a contra-indication.

that doesn't mean that things can't change or aren't already changing - because they are: naka has indeed improved his results against 2700+ players. he gained a few rating points by performing 2700+ against three 2700+ players both in london and in the world team championship. in corus he also performed 2700+ and essentially broke even rating-wise.

that doesn't change the fact that the main reason nakamura currently is 2700+, is his dominance against 2600- and lower-rated players. that's basically true for essentially everyone who has rather recently broken into 2700-area, or are just a little above 2700.

however, the significant thing about naka's last 14 games against 2700+ players is that he actually gained a few rating points by his results there. he wouldn't have gained anything if his rating prior to those games had been 2735 - <but he wouldn't have lost much either!> - only one tiny ratingpoint.

his performance over those 14 games is indeed 2727, meaning that he has successfully defended a 2730-rating against 2700+ players. that makes his performance over those games as good as the 2700+ performances in classical games <2005-2009> of for instance

leko - 2732 (over 202 games)
karjakin - 2725 (over 114 games)
shirov - 2722 (over 148 games)

but nakamura has demonstrated that level over <only> 14 games - 100 fewer than karjakin's 114 with the same performance. the exciting thing to watch now, is whether nakamura will be able to maintain that level short-term, long-term or even improve his 2700+ record short-term and/or long-term. 14 games is still a very small sample, and i certainly don't want to draw any strong conclusions yet. so far it does indeed like a positive change, though.

at the end of the day, <there's no other good and objective way to measure a player's performances than by his/her results.> "luck" and "random" outcomes of games will always even out in the long run (if you believe otherwise, you are superstitious). hence, fighting the message of rating statistics over a notable sample appears rather futile and irrational to me. very irrational.

of course, in a single event the final results could always have been slightly different, depending on somewhat random factors, so one should be careful with drawing too big conclusions about one event, some games (like the first 5 of 13 rounds) of an event, and in particular due to <single> games.

but patterns that repeat themselves over several events and many games start to become significant, and therefore one should study tendencies over a longer time period before drawing conclusions. still, the assessment will only say something absolute about the past, regardless of the number of games. if one wants to make guesses about the future, one need to look for indicators of change and for recent tendencies too. but it will still only be a guess...

Feb-01-10  blueofnoon: Is it official that Naka has cancelled Aeroflot?
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