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Hikaru Nakamura
Nakamura 
 

Number of games in database: 3,912
Years covered: 1995 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2804 (2734 rapid, 2837 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +593 -246 =723 (61.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 2350 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (272) 
    B90 B30 B23 B51 B42
 Ruy Lopez (172) 
    C65 C67 C77 C78 C84
 Reti System (147) 
    A06 A04 A05
 Queen's Gambit Declined (119) 
    D37 D31 D38 D30 D35
 Queen's Pawn Game (115) 
    A45 D00 D02 E10 E00
 Nimzo Indian (77) 
    E32 E46 E34 E21 E20
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (251) 
    B90 B30 B80 B22 B92
 Ruy Lopez (247) 
    C67 C65 C70 C78 C72
 Queen's Gambit Declined (156) 
    D37 D31 D30 D39 D06
 Queen's Pawn Game (123) 
    D02 A40 A45 A41 A46
 King's Indian (114) 
    E97 E90 E92 E94 E63
 Giuoco Piano (107) 
    C53 C50 C54
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Krasenkow vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2010 0-1
   Rybka vs Nakamura, 2008 0-1
   So vs Nakamura, 2015 0-1
   G Sagalchik vs Nakamura, 2003 0-1
   Crafty vs Nakamura, 2007 0-1
   Nakamura vs Karjakin, 2004 1-0
   Nakamura vs Kramnik, 2012 1-0
   Nakamura vs J W Loyte, 2001 1-0
   A Beliavsky vs Nakamura, 2009 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Corsica Masters (2007)
   Trophee CCAS (2008)
   Meltwater Tour Final (2021)
   Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020)
   Bullet Chess Championship (2023)
   Ordix Open (2009)
   Champions Showdown (2019)
   Chess.com Speed Chess Championship 2017/18 (2017)
   chess.com Speed Chess (2020)
   New In Chess Classic (2021)
   Chess.com SpeedChess Finals (2024)
   Magnus Carlsen Chess Tour Finals (2020)
   Tata Steel India (2022)
   Pro Chess League (2018)
   PRO League Group Stage (2019)

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   book: Fighting Chess with Hikaru Nakamura by Baby Hawk
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   Notable Nakamura Games by iron maiden
   2020 The Corona Beer & Black Bears Matter Mo Ode by fredthebear
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   Match Nakamura! by docjan
   Match Nakamura! by amadeus

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Norway Chess Armageddon
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   Nakamura vs Caruana (Jun-01-25) 1/2-1/2
   Nakamura vs Caruana (Jun-01-25) 1/2-1/2, armageddon
   A Erigaisi vs Nakamura (May-31-25) 1-0, armageddon

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HIKARU NAKAMURA
(born Dec-09-1987, 37 years old) Japan (federation/nationality United States of America)

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IM (2001); GM (2003). Hikaru Nakamura won the US Championship in 2004, 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2019. He was the world's second-ranked player as of October 2015. In July 2023, he married WGM Atousa Pourkashiyan.

Prodigy

Christopher Hikaru Nakamura was born December 9, 1987 in Hirakata in Osaka, Japan, to a Japanese father and an American mother. He is the younger brother of Asuka Nakamura. When he was two years old, he and his mother and brother moved to the United States. He started playing chess when he was seven, coached by his stepfather, Sunil Weeramantry. He was the youngest player in US history to defeat an International Master (Jay Bonin) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 0 months), to become a National Master (USCF) (10 years, 79 days), to defeat a Grandmaster (Arthur Bisguier) in a USCF-rated game (10 years, 117 days), and to become an IM (13 years, 2 months), although most of these records have subsequently been surpassed. In 2003 he became the USA's youngest-ever grandmaster (15 years, 2 months and 19 days), a record later broken by Fabiano Caruana and Ray Robson.

Championships

<Youth> In 2001 he won the World U14 championship.

<National> When he won the Chessmaster US Championship 2005 (2004) (on tiebreak from Alexander Stripunsky), he was the youngest player to win the US championship since Robert James Fischer. He also won the US Championship (2009) outright by half a point ahead of the joint runners-up Robert Hess and Alexander Onischuk, and the United States Championship (2012) outright by a full point ahead of the winner of the 2010 and 2011 events, Gata Kamsky. He won the national title for a fourth time when he took out the US Championship (2015) with 8/11, half a point ahead of the outright runner up Ray Robson.

<World championship cycle> Seeded number 87 and aged 16, Nakamura reached the final 16 in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), defeating 46th seed Sergey Volkov, 19th seeded Aleksej Aleksandrov, and 51st seed Alexander Lastin in the preliminary rounds before bowing out to number 3 seed and finalist Michael Adams in the round of 16. He qualified to play in the World Cup (2013) through his rating, and defeated Peruvian WGM Deysi Estela Cori Tello in the first round, Azeri GM Eltaj Safarli in the second round and Indian GM Baskaran Adhiban in the third round, but was eliminated in the Round of 16 (fourth round) by Ukrainian GM Anton Korobov. He qualified by rating to participate in the World Cup (2015), and is doing so although he has already qualified for the Candidates Tournament of 2016 via the Grand Prix series of 2014-15. He defeated Richmond Phiri, Sam Shankland in the first two rounds, as well as Ian Nepomniachtchi in a third round thriller that Nakamura won in the deciding Armageddon blitz tiebreaker game after the three previous sets of rapid and blitz tiebreakers had been drawn. In the Round of 16 (the fourth round) he won against Michael Adams by 1.5-0.5 but lost to Pavel Eljanov in the quarter final, bowing out of the event.

<Grand Prix Series 2012-2013> He started the Grand Prix series with last at the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012). After bouncing back into contention with outright second in the FIDE Grand Prix Zug (2013), a poor showing at the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013) eliminated him from contention for the top 2 spots that would have qualified him for the 2014 Candidates Tournament. (1) He did however place 3rd behind Fabiano Caruana and Boris Gelfand in the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) to accumulate 300 GP points and place 6th in the 2012-13 Grand Prix series. Subsequently, his only chance to play in the 2014 Candidates Tournament was to be nominated as the Organizer's wild card once the venue was settled, however this did not eventuate.

<Grand Prix Series 2014-2015> Nakamura competed in the first leg of the series at the FIDE Grand Prix Baku (2014), where he scored 6/11 to place 3rd-7th, half a point behind the joint leaders Caruana and Gelfand. He therefore kicked off with a GP tally of 82 points, representing the even distribution of points applicable to each place from 3rd to 7th. In the second leg of the series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2014), he placed =2nd and stood in 2nd place overall, excellently situated to take advantage of the opportunity to qualify for the Candidates tournament in 2016. He took full advantage of this in FIDE Grand Prix Khanty-Mansiysk (2015), when he came =1st to qualify for the Candidates Tournament of 2016.

Standard tournaments

In 2005, he won the 7th Foxwoods Open (2005).

In 2007, he won both the National Open (2007) that was held in Las Vegas and the Casino de Barcelona (2007).

The following year, he beat Xiangzhi Bu in the play-off to win the Gibraltar Masters (2008) Masters Open with 8.0/10.

Nakamura tied for first with Evgeny Najer at the 37th World Open (2009) after taking two last-day byes, each worth half a point and won the Donostia Chess Festival (2009) in tiebreak over Ruslan Ponomariov.

In 2010, he came =4th at Corus Group A (2010), and was equal top scorer in the victorious Rising Stars team in the Rising Stars - Experience (2010) tournament. He scored 5/9 (+1 -0 =8) at the Tal Memorial (2010), placing =4th, and finished the year with =4th place in the London Chess Classic (2010).

Nakamura began 2011 by taking clear first place at the A-Group of the prestigious category 20 Tata Steel Group A (2011) (formerly Corus) with a 9/13 score (+6 -1 =6) and a 2880 performance rating, ahead of a powerful field including the world's top four players: World Champion Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Levon Aronian and former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik. In June 2011, Nakamura placed =3rd in the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), in July he scored 4.5/10 at Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), in August he came =1st in the 2011 US Open Championship with 7.5/9 and in October he came =3rd in the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011) with 5/10. The following month, he suffered a lapse in form at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2011), scoring 3/9 and coming last but recovered to finish 2011 with second place behind Kramnik at the category 20 London Chess Classic (2011), scoring +4 -1 =3 (TPR of 2887).

He started 2012 by coming =2nd (4th on count back) at the Reggio Emilia (2011), half a point behind Anish Giri, and then came =5th at Tata Steel Group A (2012), scoring 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9). He followed up in April 2012 with 1st at the 6th Annual Grand Pacific Open held in British Columbia. He competed in the Tal Memorial (2012) held in June, scoring 4/9. In July/August 2012, Nakamura placed a solid =3rd at the Biel Chess Festival (2012), but underperformed at the European Club Cup (2012), although in October 2012, he recovered to some extent by winning the 4 player double round robin 16th Unive Tournament (2012) (crown group) with 4.5/6 (+3 -0 =3). Nakamura finished 2012 with a strong 3rd placement in the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Carlsen and Kramnik, adding enough rating points to restore him to the top 10.

2013 started with a modest 7/13 result for outright 6th at the Tata Steel Group A (2013) event. He then followed up in May 2013 with equal 2nd at the Norway Chess (2013) with 5.5/9, half a point behind Sergey Karjakin and 3rd on tiebreak behind Carlsen; he also placed =2nd with 6/9 at the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2013) held to determine the draw for the main tournament, and earned the right to play with the White pieces in 5 games out of 9. In June 2013, he contested the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013), and was outright leader after 6 rounds. However, he lost the last 3 game to place 6th with 4.5/9, winning more games (4) and losing more games (4) than any other player in the tournament. Soon after, he came =3rd in the Houston Open in July 2013. In September he played in the quadrangular double round robin category 22 Sinquefield Cup (2013), and was in contention for first place until the last round, when he drew against Gata Kamsky finishing second with 3.5/6 (+2 -1 =3; TPR 2863) behind Magnus Carlsen.

Nakamura's first event in 2014 was the category 20 Tata Steel Masters (2014) where he scored 5/11 (+2 -3 =6) to shed a few rating points for FIDE's February rating list. He next competed in the category 23 Zurich Chess Challenge (2014) in which he placed 4th with 2/5 after coming agonisingly close to defeating World Champion Magnus Carlsen. He came 2nd with 3.5/5 in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2014) which followed the standard time event, to remain in 4th in the overall event with the results of the standard and rapid events combined. In April, he participated in the inaugural Gashimov Memorial (2014), a category XXII 6-player DRR event inaugurated in honor of the late Azeri grandmaster, scoring 5/10 and placing =3rd behind Carlsen and Caruana. At the London Chess Classic (2014), he scored 2.5/5 to place 4th.

Nakamura's start to 2015 was to win the powerful Gibraltar Masters (2015) with 8.5/10 (+7 =3), and return a PB on his live rating and his new FIDE rating due in March. Despite cracking the 2800 barrier in the live ratings during the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015) held in February, he placed outright 2nd in the standard portion of the event behind Anand, ahead of Kramnik, Karjakin, Aronian and Caruana respectively. His second place in the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015) with 3/5 made him =1st with Anand in the overall event, but he won an Armageddon tiebreaker with the former World Champion to win first prize. His good form continued at the category 22 Norway Chess (2015) event, where he was undefeated to place =2nd (3rd on a narrow SB tiebreak), behind Topalov and alongside Anand with 6/9 and a TPR of 2900. In September he competed in the second leg of the inaugural Grand Chess Tour at Sinquefield Cup (2015), and finished equal second with 5/9 behind Aronian in what amounted to a par for rating performance. October saw Nakamura compete in the lucrative Millionaire Chess (2015) tournament, which he won after battling through a complicated tiebreak system that involved a playoff to decide a playoff for fourth, and then winning a knockout rapid game semi-final that was called after round 7 of 9 of the main standard time event. He finished the year with a poor performance at the London Chess Classic (2015) where he came in toward the bottom of the field after scoring 4/9.

He started 2016 with an upbeat result at the Gibraltar Masters (2016), winning first prize after a rapid and blitz game tiebreak that ended in an Armageddon victory against runner-up Maxime Vachier-Lagrave. He finished clear second at the
FIDE Grand Swiss (2023), scoring 8/11 (+5 =6 -0) and qualifying for the 2024 Candidates tournament.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Nakamura has represented the U.S. in the Olympiads of 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2014, helping his country to the bronze medal in 2006 and 2008. He scored 6/10 during the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) on top board for the USA and a performance rating of 2741 and 6/9 in the Istanbul Olympiad (2012), coming in fourth on top board. His overall score in Olympiads is 31 points accumulated in 49 games played.

<World Team Championship> Nakamura played board 1 for the USA at the World Team Championship (2010), scoring individual gold and team silver. He also played top board at the World Team Championship (2013), winning individual silver and helping his team to 4th place in the event.

<European Club Cup> He played top board for the SK Husek Vienna in the European Club Cup (2009) and top board for the Italian club Obiettivo Risarcimento Padova in 2012 and 2013, second board for the Italian club in 2014 and board 3 for the same club in 2015. He scored individual bronze in 2013 and 2014.

Rapids

Nakamura is one of the world's best rapid and blitz players, and the world's best bullet (one-minute) player. He regularly plays on the internet, usually at the ICC where he is the highest rated player (userid <Smallville>), and at Playchess, where he is known as <Star Wars>. He has set many rating records under different categories. In 2008, he challenged and broke blitz king Alexander Grischuk 's record at ICC of 3737, reaching 3750. Grischuk subsequently challenged Nakamura to a 20 game 3 minutes blitz match, which Nakamura took out convincingly by 14.5-5.5. (2) He also won the first ICC Open in 2011 ahead of over 2000 other contestants. (3)

In 2007, he won the annual Corsica Masters (2007), defeating Rustam Kasimdzhanov in the final. One of the most convincing demonstrations of Nakamura's ability as a rapid player was when he won the Trophee CCAS (2008), defeating Xiangzhi Bu, Anatoly Karpov and Vasyl Ivanchuk in the playoff matches to take first prize in a field that included Carlsen. Nakamura also defeated Carlsen to take out the BNbank Blitz (2009). He was runner-up to Ivanchuk at the Cap d'Agde (2010) in the playoff. He also defeated Rising Stars team mate Anish Giri for the right to play at Amber 2011.

In 2012, Nakamura won the trifecta of silver medals at the SportAccord World Mind Games (Men's Rapid) (2012), the World Mind Games (Men's Blitz) and the World Mind Games (Men's Blindfold) events. He closed out 2013 by winning the London Chess Classic (Knockout) (2013), defeating Gelfand in the final by 1.5-0.5, after qualifying for the final by winning the preliminary London Chess Classic (Group C) (2013).

In June 2014, he competed in both the World Rapid Championship (2014) and the World Blitz Championship (2014) that were held in Dubai. In the former, he scored a relatively meager 8.5/15, losing 40 rapid rating points, while he was much more successful in the latter, scoring 16/21, being the runner up by a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen. His blitz rating skyrocketed to over 2900. Subsequently he competed in the Super Rapidplay Open that was a companion event to the 2014 London Classic (see above), winning the event with an almost perfect score of 9.5/10. He also competed in the London Elite Player Blitz that was the other companion event, and placed =1st with 6/10.

The 2016 edition of the Zurich Chess Challenge was a two-part event, which kicked off with a preliminary Zurich Chess Challenge (Opening Blitz) (2016) to determine who had three whites in the five rounds of the Zurich Chess Challenge (2016) (rapid). Nakamura placed first in the Opening Blitz earning the use of the white pieces in three of the five rounds of the first section of the actual tournament, the round robin rapid event where he placed equal first alongside Anand. Nakamura playing the black pieces three times in the second section of the event, the Zurich Chess Challenge (Blitz) (2016), again placed equal first with Anand to tie the overall score, but won on tiebreak to take first prize.

He has authored the book Bullet Chess: One Minute to Mate.

Matches

In December 2004, Nakamura played the best-of-six game Karjakin - Nakamura Match (2004) in the "Duelo de los Jovenes Prodigios" (Duel of the Wonder Boys) in Cuernavaca, Estado de Morelos, Mexico, winning 4.5-1.5 (+4 -1 =1). In May 2011 at the St Louis chess club, he won the Nakamura - Ponomariov Match (2011) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =3 -1). In June 2014, he played for the Cez Trophy Navara - Nakamura Match (2014) in Praha, Czechia, which involved a 4-game standard time match against David Navara. He won the match by 3.5-0.5.

960 Chess

In August 2009, Nakamura defeated Aronian in Mainz, Germany to become the 960 world champion and remained unchallenged as such until Carlsen defeated him in a match in February 2018 by a margin of 14-10.

Ratings and rankings

Nakamura's highest ranking as a Junior (U20) was #3 in April 2004 and 2005. He first broke into the world's top 100 in October 2004 when he was still 16 years old, and has remained in the top 100 continuously since that time. He reached the world's top 10 in January 2011, and has remained in that elite group continuously since January 2013. In September 2015 his rating reached 2814 despite which he was still ranked world #4 behind Carlsen, Anand and Topalov respectively. However in October 2016, his ranking reached its highest point so far, 2816, when his ranking was world #2, his highest ranking so far.

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012–2013 (2) http://dod.ru/chess/game/Crest/Smal...; (3) Further details are at this post: Hikaru Nakamura; (4) https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast... (podcast interview by Ben Johnson through iTunes); Live rating list: http://www.2700chess.com/; Wikipedia article: Hikaru Nakamura

Last updated: 2024-04-14 20:46:42

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 page 1 of 157; games 1-25 of 3,914  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. S Predescu vs Nakamura 1-0641995U.S. National Scholastic Grade 2 ChampionshipB08 Pirc, Classical
2. L Au vs Nakamura 1-0431997Hawaii opB83 Sicilian
3. Nakamura vs J Bonin 1-0361997Marshall Chess ClubC02 French, Advance
4. J Kleinman vs Nakamura  ½-½411997January CongressA49 King's Indian, Fianchetto without c4
5. Nakamura vs B Karen 0-1521997Nassau FuturityB06 Robatsch
6. A Bisguier vs Nakamura 0-1211998Somerset ACN Action SwissE70 King's Indian
7. B Karen vs Nakamura  0-1261998Nassau g/30B23 Sicilian, Closed
8. A Stripunsky vs Nakamura 0-1431998Marshall Chess ClubB40 Sicilian
9. P MacIntyre vs Nakamura  1-0541998US Amateur Team EastA07 King's Indian Attack
10. J Thinnsen vs Nakamura 1-035199899th US OpenA45 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Nakamura vs I Krush 1-062199899th US OpenB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
12. S Kriventsov vs Nakamura  1-0241999Rated TournamentB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
13. Nakamura vs J Fang 0-12119998th Eastern Class ChampionshipsB73 Sicilian, Dragon, Classical
14. A David vs Nakamura  1-025199927th World OpenB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
15. Nakamura vs W Paschall  ½-½251999North Bay OpenB65 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...Be7 Defense, 9...Nxd4
16. J Hebert vs Nakamura  1-0601999North Bay OpenE97 King's Indian
17. Nakamura vs V Rajlich  1-0521999North Bay OpenB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
18. G Taylor vs Nakamura  1-0311999North Bay OpenE75 King's Indian, Averbakh, Main line
19. Nakamura vs F Baragar  0-1451999North Bay OpenC17 French, Winawer, Advance
20. M Stroud vs Nakamura  0-1371999North Bay OpenE92 King's Indian
21. S Glinert vs Nakamura  ½-½381999North Bay OpenA07 King's Indian Attack
22. D Moody vs Nakamura 0-1201999100th US OpenB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
23. Nakamura vs A Aleksandrov ½-½601999100th US OpenC45 Scotch Game
24. A Wojtkiewicz vs Nakamura 1-0421999100th US OpenE62 King's Indian, Fianchetto
25. Nakamura vs G Gaiffe 1-0541999100th US OpenB23 Sicilian, Closed
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Feb-08-10  timhortons: frog keep it on, see how many times you break your balls here?

your wasting riverbeast time with all your twist.

Feb-08-10  timhortons: nice try booby fiske, make your glasses thicker nerd, i know it when your bashing naka and kris.
Feb-08-10  frogbert: <But maybe you're focusing too much on ratings, and not enough on the games, if you're saying something like this:

<nakamura is still quite far from being in carlsen's class when it comes to classical chess>>

riverbeast, i'm not your strength, but i'm a decent chess player, too. if you think you can make a comparison any two players and what they have achieved and what they represent as chess players by looking at two single games of chess, then you're completely losing me.

the difference at the top can mainly be put down as <consistency>. all the 30+ players of 2700 and above are able to play amazing games of chess a bigger or smaller part of the time. being able to play <some> good games in a <couple> of tournaments only get you so far.

also, to value the total class of some chess player one needs to take into account the following:

- accumulated experience
- accumulated knowledge
- accumulated achievements

in carlsen's first 4 games against kramnik, he held kramnik to +1 -1 =2, despite playing black in all 4 games.

now, i would be a fool to claim that once carlsen beat kramnik for the first time, equalizing their internal score to 2-2, carlsen was the equal of kramnik in everybody's eyes. if you think that's how things are, then i think you must be a bit confused.

give it a thought, will you?

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: <then some people heard that as some anti-american rant dissing their open events - while it in fact was a description of how to go about to reach the desired goals>

When you're calling the events "stupid", yes, <Frogbert> that's a "dis"...And the fact that you said ("sorry!) right after that, doesn't change it

"Sorry for dissing you"? Is that what you meant?

And you of all people complain about people's "vulgar and insulting language" ?

And that's what I was referring to as <the typical European patronizing attitude toward Americans>.

<And finally, when nakamura essentially adopts all strategies that i've ever recommended and eventually <does> receive the wanted invitations...>

No, <Frogbert>...Now I think YOU'RE being dishonest

YOU said he should have gotten off of the ICC, stopped playing in American swisses, and should have played in Corus B

He did not adopt ANY of your recommended strategies...And we all saw what happened...He got to Corus A anyway, he scored +2, and he's now considered a solid member of the elite

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <And there's no reason to think he wouldn't have done as well in Corus A in 2009...Had he been invited>

oh, there are <several reasons> to think he wouldn't. you simply insist on being blind on the eye that might have seen it.

<<and by early 2008 the arguments i made were dead sound.>

I'm sorry, but history has shown otherwise>

how many times are you going to make that nonsensical claim? later history can't show that factual statements about achievements and records anno 2008 were wrong or unsound - no matter what happens in 2010 or later. it simply can't.

<Most organizers are chessplayers...And once someone has a fair degree of chess understanding, they can gauge someone's strength

They certainly don't need scouts 'all around the world' ...That's what games databases like cg.com, and others, are for>

i'm telling you: <that's not how it works.> players are not invited due to someone analysing their games to gauge their quality. but even if it was: why does kramnik say that nakamura has improved a lot in the last year if he hasn't? hasn't kramnik got the necessary chess understanding? i almost give up here...

<How do you know that the higher rated players you mentioned, in March of 2008, didn't "manipulate" their ratings (like you said Nakamura was doing)?>

pay attention please: those higher rated players played stronger events and stronger players - i made that clear in 2008 and i've just made that clear some posts ago, now in 2010. as such, they gained their rating in more generally "meaningful" events, as a predictor for how their ratings would hold up against even stronger players.

and the term "manipulating rating" was again meant only in the context of being a strategy to receive elite invitations - like i've already explained. there was nothing unlawful or morally wrong about keeping playing lower-rated players - but i considered it a futile and little rewarding way of trying to gain access to elite events. the focus should be on improving as a chess player.

Feb-08-10  Riverbeast: <the focus should be on improving as a chess player.>

But he did improve as a chessplayer! Isn't that what you just said?

According to you and Kramnik, he improved EXPONENTIALLY in the past year

How did he manage to do that, playing in all those "stupid" tournaments like the World Open, and playing on the ICC all the time?

It certainly wasn't the recommended prescription from Doctor Frogbert!

Feb-08-10  timhortons: frogbert will never admit his mistake, he will spin you around with a long post that full of crap.

again and again all his post was busted here in naka page, but still again and again he still have a face and a gut to say he guided naka career.

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <When you're calling the events "stupid", yes, <Frogbert> that's a "dis"...And the fact that you said ("sorry!) right after that, doesn't change it>

i didn't read the rest of your post, because the above ridiculous repetition made me realize it's entirely futile.

listen: it's <NOT disrespectful> towards us swiss events to say that they are not suited to bringing a player from the 2650-level to the elite level.

it's just how it is. it's not my fault. in fact, it's nobody's fault.

but it's your fault that you keep insisting on misunderstanding plain english, again and again.

"stupid" in that context meant <inappropriate>, <not suited to>, <the wrong type>, etc. etc. etc.

and i probably wrote "stupid" then because i was as dumbfounded then as now to the kind of arguments i have to listen to, when the meaning is so strikingly evident and the point is so blatantly clear:

if your goal is to become us champion in 2010, then any other event coinciding with the us championship 2010 is a <stupid event> to play. it simply doesn't get you what you want, darn it. it says <nothing at all> about the event in question.

and my oh my, have i "insulted" us opens?!? where do i go to tell the us swiss events that i'm very, very sorry, but it was all a big misunderstanding?

you won't become an elite player by exclusively playing norwegian chess events of any shape or colour either - but that certainly is no disrespect to norway or norwegian events.

this is getting beyond silly. if not the simplest 2+2 logics can be counted on to apply, then continuing is useless. i'm going to bed instead.

Feb-08-10  veigaman: I´m glad to see a new american generation leading by nakamura trying to find his place in the chess tour. Nakamura, hess, robson, lenderman are great news because USA is a country with chess tradition more than majority european countries. Morphy, MArshal, Pillsbury, Fischer, New York, chess clubs, etc give the usa by his own merit to have his place in chess history.

Chess needs to have USA among the leaders and i hope that USA will have weigher in Fide soon.

Nakamura potential has been understimated by a lot of people.

Feb-08-10  frogbert: <How did he manage to do that, playing in all those "stupid" tournaments like the World Open, and playing on the ICC all the time?

It certainly wasn't the recommended prescription from Doctor Frogbert!>

oh really. first the short answer:

1. he hardly played the world open (two classical games, if i recall correctly) and only two more us swisses in the entire period, one of them being the us championship 2009.

2. he did not play on icc all the time - far from it, actually. he even made a statement that he had "quit" playing there.

3. he played several other events of the right kind. check the stats.

---

ok, then "doctor frogbert's" prescription. first, let's see what i wrote over at mig's in february 2008:

<Which tournaments should Nakamura play to up his rating and improve? He doesn't need to go to playing averages of 2670+ (like Carlsen did last year - in 2007), he needs to go from playing 2500-averages to facing 2600-averages first!>

what was the situation when i made that comment? let's check with fischl - the stats from 2007:

68.Nakamura,H - 55 gms - 2539 avg - 65% 2643 tpr

he faced an average of 2539 and had a performance in 2007 of 2643, equal to a 68th place in the world. (how would someone making a 2643 yearly performance have done in corus a 2008? as good as the 2010 edition of nakamura? yeah, right.)

what changes did we see in 2008 and 2009 i wonder? (note that fischl disregards games against sub-2400 players in his stats):

39.Nakamura,H - 44 gms - 2576 avg - 65% 2682 tpr
31.Nakamura,H - 72 gms - 2614 avg - 63% 2707 tpr

2007 to 2009, what did nakamura do? he went from facing 2500-averages to facing 2600-averages (2539 to 2614 or plus 75 points in average opposition). that sounds oddly familiar to a certain doctor's prescription.

now, did he do that by continuing to play the majority of his games in us swisses? would that even have been possible?

in fact, we don't even need to consider only the last 12 months leading up to corus a 2010 - we can go all the way back to july 1st 2008. disregarding naka's two appearances in the "japan league" that certainly didn't do <anything at all> for naka's development as a player, nakamura played 107 rated games in 14 events from july 2008 until he played the first game in corus a 2010.

riverbeast's version:

<According to you and Kramnik, he improved EXPONENTIALLY in the past year

How did he manage to do that, playing in all those "stupid" tournaments like the World Open [...]>

doctor frogbert's version:

he didn't play in "all those" events - he played 2 games in the world open, 7 games in foxwoods open and 9 games in the us championships. the latter is a swiss, but it certainly isn't the typical us swiss in terms of strong players. and it's not an "open". a big total of 18 games out of 107 in us swisses. less than 20% of the games.

where did nakamura play the remaining 89 games? that's easy: 9 of them in a round robin in canada, the remaining 80 games were played in various events taking place <in europe>.

what did riverbeast say again?

<It certainly wasn't the recommended prescription from Doctor Frogbert!>

you mean, since nakamura only played 75% of his games in this period in europe? in addition to raising his opponent averages 75 points from low 2500s to above 2600? to me that sounds very much like what i prescribed in order to become prepared for elite events like corus a.

it doesn't stop to amaze me how little attention several so-called nakamura fans seem to pay to what naka actually has been up to in the last 12-15 months. or at all. and the complete unwillingness to see and realize that <nakamura's path to corus a 2010 is incredibly similar to what i suggested he should do roughly 2 years ago.>

he's had no chance at all to play any corus b since i made those comments, so it's not very strange that he never did. and exactly <which> events he chose to play (it turned out to be many team games, which was among the options i mentioned) was obviously less important than doing something about the average level of his opposition. in addition to spending more time on serious chess preparation and training (dating back to 2008 too) and less on icc and such. [i've never said he had to stop playing online blitz completely, like riverbeast claims.]

i think we can safely close this chapter. nakamura has been on the right track for about 1,5 years now, and the fans should enjoy the fruits of his good and hard work in that period. prolonged arguments that it's due to sticking to us swiss events and neverending icc sessions is completely contra-indicated by easily accessible facts. 2005-2007 was the progress that the latter strategy lead to. 2008-2009 saw notable changes, and corus 2010 was the reward.

Feb-09-10  rogge: You won't become an elite player by playing stupid Norwegian chess events.
Feb-09-10  Shams: whoever is to blame for me having <doctor frogbert>, to the tune of the Beatles' <Doctor Roberts>, stuck in my head-- I hope you're happy.
Feb-09-10  Rolfo: There is some "dangerous" words like <stupid> etc when used, even with a <if> connected to it, stir people's perception of the post's contents and certainly also their emotions. Why not avoid using them?

If not for anything else, discussions like this will certainly move Naka's page count upwards :)

Feb-09-10  kackhander: <doctor frogbert>

wait, frogbert has a JOB?

Feb-09-10
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  moronovich: Right <Rolfo>,<Clever and smart people> usually does not use the word <stupid> as often as , ahemm , more limited individuals...

Bottomline is that Naka did it his way.And with succes.One may say.

In this context it doesn´t make sense to claim that,he should have followed another path.

Let us not forget that it is his (chess)life and his decissions.And perhaps he has made the best choices all the way ? Who knows !?..

But sitting on a chair and telling what others should do has always been the laymans privellege.

And yes , some of us saw an extremely high potential in Naka and his play.

So let us look forward and enjoy the future of this most gifted and interesting player who in many ways reminds me of Magnus Carlsen.Who BTW turned down the first offer to hire Kasparov as a trainer,despite Garrys advice.Cleverly so ,IMO.

Moral of the story ?
In the long run, reality trumphs numbers and speculations.

Feb-09-10  Atking: You have a point <Rolfo>. We should relax more on Nakamura. The future of Nakamura mostly depends of him. Not so much on our opinions. Still I could understand enthousiam from fan. I'm not sure about the "rational" attitude of frogbert. More he try to convinced some moderates kibbitzers like <boz> <riverbeast>... more the result seems opposite. Long posts where I fail to see "You are right. I didn't see matters in this way". I'm afraid that he is not ready to learn from the others. My impression is the man is indeed very emotional. One should do some statistics on this page to see how many times how long he reacted to the others.
Feb-09-10  Rolfo: I have confidence in frogbert's facts and mostly in his use of statistics to make his case. As a matter of fact he did made some suggestions for Naka. Whether we like it or not, they seemed to be in place. To take credit for it afterwards, well as an individual frogbert can at least do it for himself. Those saying Naka followed his own way also have the right to say so. As for the assessment of Naka's playing strength and development during latest years, well everyone can see his change of strategy and the progress, especially last year. My little comment was intented on the special small words <if> and <stupid>, no more to say about it
Feb-09-10  blueofnoon: http://www.hikarunakamura.com/main/...

<Before I discuss the game, I would just like to point out that despite my sometimes controversial style and comments in the past, I have not intentionally insulted someone in public.

In many ways, I found Sergey's comments on chesspro to be incredibly disgusting and insulting. One can only hope that people grow up much like I have since my younger days.>

HMMMMMMMMM

Feb-09-10  blueofnoon: By the way, I am not sure who is right or who is wrong in this argument, but if someone believes Naka went to Corus A and got strong result without <any> prior experience in Europe, that's utterly wrong.

As frogbert claimed, Naka indeed played more games in Europe than in the USA in 2009.

Like it or not, Naka's main battle field in recent years is the so-called <old continent>, and will probably remain so until he retires.

Feb-09-10  timhortons: lol doctor and scientist frogbert, he spend to much time in front of computer noh? isnt that a waste of time for a scientist doctor?

oh yah i forgot, hes in the payroll of carlsens.

Feb-09-10  timhortons: <I am not sure who is right or who is wrong in this argument>

for how many years now that , that TROLL is kibitzing here and how the people at nakamura page is arguing with him, look how he spin riverbeast around and around, this guy has the time to spare if you want to argue with him 24/7.

remember how many times he change handle since he started kibitzing at CG and how many people he got into trouble here at CG.

Well magnus dad is backing him up.

Feb-09-10  timhortons: frogbert for me your ideas are dead after naka beat magnus in oslo. your two eyes see how magnus storm off like a spolied brat after naka beat him,i just cant imagine if naka did what magnus did, frogberts hair might grow long in excitement since he got something to mock nakamura.

all your post that say, naka is good in bullet and not in blitz, stat that say otb blitz is not the same as internet blitz...all those are crap...dead rotten meat..

did you acknowledge your wrong in blitz issue? never! now your doin the same in those OTB game statement you issued.

Feb-09-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: <tim> OK, will the ideas be resurrected if MC takes revenge?:)

And 4 games will <never> prove something. Otherwise one'd shorten world championship matches to 4 games.

Feb-09-10
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  alexmagnus: As I said back then, Steinitz was 1-4 down in his first WC match, still he won the match <very> convincingly.
Feb-09-10  rogge: When did a couple of blitz games have anything to do with a WC match?
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