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Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik 
Photograph copyright © 2007 Milan Kovacs (www.milankovacs.com)  

Number of games in database: 3,250
Years covered: 1984 to 2024
Last FIDE rating: 2753 (2700 rapid, 2670 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +545 -170 =957 (61.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1578 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (154) 
    A15 A14 A17 A13 A16
 Sicilian (147) 
    B90 B30 B33 B52 B92
 Queen's Pawn Game (109) 
    D02 A46 E10 D05 D00
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E94 E92 E91 E86
 Reti System (101) 
    A04 A06 A05
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D18 D12
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (270) 
    B33 B30 B31 B62 B65
 Ruy Lopez (182) 
    C67 C65 C84 C78 C95
 Queen's Gambit Declined (123) 
    D37 D35 D38 D39 D31
 Semi-Slav (110) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D48
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Nimzo Indian (81) 
    E32 E21 E54 E34 E46
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2001 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 1995 0-1
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Belgrade Investbank (1995)
   New York PCA/Intel-GP (1994)
   Hoogovens Group A (1998)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Amber Blindfold (2003)
   Dortmund Open-A (1992)
   World Cup (2013)
   Tata Steel Masters (2018)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Sao Paulo Latin American Cup Open (1991)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1991)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   Manila Olympiad (1992)
   Biel Interzonal (1993)

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   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Vladi Others Earthly by fredthebear
   My Life and Games (Kramnik/Damsky) by Qindarka
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 75 by 0ZeR0
   Vladimir, the Conqueror by Gottschalk
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 50 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion - and former top ranked player in the world - Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000, he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov, then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. Kramnik relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991, Kramnik won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> Kramnik finished equal first in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed second on tiebreak, behind Andrei Kharlov. He came third ex aequo in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for a share of first and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9.

<World> Kramnik's early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1½-4½, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3½-4½. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3½-5½ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) in London by the score of 8½ to 6½ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <"He is the hardest player to beat in the world.">

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2½ -1½ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4½ to 6½ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vasyl Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guaranteed qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund Sparkassen (2007), Dortmund Sparkassen (2009) and Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in Linares (2003) (shared) and Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus Group A (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8½ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Grand Slam Chess Final (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund Sparkassen (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund Sparkassen (2015). He saw out the year with equal third, scoring 6.5/9 at the powerful Qatar Masters (2015), half a point behind the joint leaders Magnus Carlsen and the rising Chinese star Yangyi Yu. Kramnik started 2016 with equal third on 5/9 at the Norway Chess (2016) behind Carlsen and Aronian respectively after also coming third in the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2016) used to determine the draw. Several months later in July he placed =2nd (with 4/7) behind Vachier-Lagrave at Dortmund Sparkassen (2016). Kramnik's year in standard time chess finished with a reasonably efficacious equal third at the London Chess Classic (2016), a point behind the winner Wesley So.

In April 2017, Kramnik was second on tiebreak ahead of co-runners up Wesley So and Veselin Topalov at the category 21 Gashimov Memorial (2017), scoring 5/9, half a point behind the winner Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Two months later he again placed equal second, this time at the category 22 Norway Chess (2017), scoring 5/9 alongside Hikaru Nakamura, a point behind the winner Levon Aronian.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until Turin Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Dresden Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Tromso Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia. He played board two for Russia in the Baku Olympiad (2016), scoring individual gold for his board, and team bronze with his countrymen.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik participated in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, in 2005 and again in 2015 and 2016. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team in 1998 and 1999, winning team silver in 1999. Since then, he played for NAO Paris in 2005, winning team bronze and for the Siberia Novosibirsk team in the European Club Cup (2015) and European Club Cup (2016) winning team gold in 2015 as well as an individual gold for board 1.

At the Russian Team Championship (2015), Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning gold for that board; his effort also helped his team to win gold. He repeated his individual effort in the Russian Team Championship (2016), this time helping his team to a bronze medal in the double round robin 5-team contest.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2½:1½.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4). From late November to early December 2016, he played a rapid and blitz match against Yifan Hou at the Kings Tournament in Romania, winning both by significant margins, the rapid by 4.5-0.5 and the latter by 6/9 (+5 -3 =2).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14½/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15½/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3½:2½, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.

Kramnik came in equal 5th with 10/15 in the World Rapid Championship (2015), 1.5 points behind the winner Carlsen, and half a point behind the joint runners up Nepomniachtchi, Radjabov and Leinier Dominguez Perez. He followed up the next day with equal second alongside Vachier-Lagrave scoring 15/21, half a point behind the outright winner Alexander Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2015).

Ratings

Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter's successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion's successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Group A (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Last updated: 2023-11-23 11:45:25

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 page 1 of 130; games 1-25 of 3,250  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-0311984BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-1311984BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-1521985KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-1491986Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
5. Kramnik vs Zhukov 1-0381986BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
6. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-1371987USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
7. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-0321987GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
8. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-0341987GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
9. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-0181987Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-1251987URS-chT U14A52 Budapest Gambit
11. Yakubovsky vs Kramnik  0-1511987URS-chT U14B23 Sicilian, Closed
12. Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-0421988URSB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
13. Kramnik vs Danislian ½-½601988URS-chT U18B15 Caro-Kann
14. M Golubev vs Kramnik 0-1381988URS-chT U18B33 Sicilian
15. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½521989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
16. A V Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-1401989Chigorin Memorial-BB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
17. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½121989Chigorin Memorial-BA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
18. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½221989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
19. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½171989Chigorin Memorial-BD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
20. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½471989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
21. Kramnik vs A Panchenko ½-½601989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
22. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-0371989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
23. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½351989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
24. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-1381989Chigorin Memorial-BB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
25. Kramnik vs Yakovich ½-½141989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
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Jun-06-09  acirce: No, it's from a New In Chess interview, reprinted in The Day Kasparov Quit. I posted the entire quote just a page ago, but you must have missed it so here it goes again: <While we are leaving the FIDE championship he [Bronstein] embarks on one of his other favourite topics, the alleged complexity of chess. "It's a myth which I believe originated with Alekhine and Capablanca. At that time there were not that many strong players and they were held in tremendous esteem. Which suited them fine, so they began to cultivate this idea of an incredibly difficult game. This assumption has survived to this day. Kasparov says that only very few top players have this smell for chess." He touches his nose in mock arrogance and continues: "What nonsense. Chess is an easy game to learn. I remember a lecture I gave for a gathering of executives at Hewlett Packard. I told them that I couldn't believe it. We put a man on the moon, but we still play chess." He looks at me, smiling expectantly: "That was not an introductory remark they had expected from a chess grandmaster.">

He says some pretty silly and disrespectful things in this interview, but I'll keep it (more or less) "on topic". I think this passage is pertinent to a discussion about chess progress.

Jun-06-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  kamalakanta: This is a very nice interview with Kramnik:

http://www.kramnik.com/eng/intervie...

In which he talks about all the previous World Champions...

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: <acirce: No, it's from a New In Chess interview, reprinted in The Day Kasparov Quit. I posted the entire quote just a page ago, but you must have missed it so here it goes again: <While we are leaving the FIDE championship he [Bronstein] embarks on one of his other favourite topics, the alleged complexity of chess. "It's a myth which I believe originated with Alekhine and Capablanca. At that time there were not that many strong players and they were held in tremendous esteem. Which suited them fine, so they began to cultivate this idea of an incredibly difficult game. This assumption has survived to this day. Kasparov says that only very few top players have this smell for chess." He touches his nose in mock arrogance and continues: "What nonsense. Chess is an easy game to learn. I remember a lecture I gave for a gathering of executives at Hewlett Packard. I told them that I couldn't believe it. We put a man on the moon, but we still play chess." He looks at me, smiling expectantly: "That was not an introductory remark they had expected from a chess grandmaster.">

He says some pretty silly and disrespectful things in this interview, but I'll keep it (more or less) "on topic". I think this passage is pertinent to a discussion about chess progress.>

If I understand his purpose correctly, Bronstein is against an "elitist" attitude in chess.

It is ironic that Bronstein, the father of so many ideas in our "modern" chess, has been disrespected by so many! He has been deeply hurt. If you have read the interview at the end of the book "The Sorcerer's Appentice", you know what I mean. Do you have this book?

Jun-06-09  acirce: I've read some of it. Didn't make me like him. Don't remember that interview, no. I don't have the book -- I've borrowed it from the city library a few times. (They have a great chess section!)
Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: <acirce: I've read some of it. Didn't make me like him. Don't remember that interview, no. I don't have the book -- I've borrowed it from the city library a few times. (They have a great chess section!)>

Well, aside from his father being imprisoned unjustly in the Gulag for six years, and all the obstacles the Soviet bureaucracy placed in his way, in 1994 (If I remember correctly) there was a Rapid Chess Tournament in Russia.

As you know, Rapid Chess was Bronstein's idea.

Now, can you believe he was not invited to play? This is beyond absurd. It is like spitting in his face! The statements in his interview reflect the extent of the insult offered to him, and in this interview he talks about how modern-day grandmasters want to make you believe that only they can play chess well, that it is so difficult, etc....

I think it is in this context that he has such reactions. I don't know if he ever got over that spite...

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: From Kramnik's book:

"The PCA launched its first cycle in 1994 with the grandiously organised "Kremlin Stars" tournament....."

it was a Rapid Chess Tournament, but the founder of Rapid Chess, who lived in the same city (!!!) where the tournament was played (Moscow) was not invited.

Now, the PCA was founded by Kasparov, regarded as the "Greatest of All Time". Can Kasparov be so stupid and insolent as to not invite Bronstein to participate?

it is such flights of the ego that offended Bronstein the most, when chessplayers do and say things to show themselves superior to others, and to live in an "Ivory Tower".

Jun-06-09  acirce: What, the PCA Grand Prix? Why should he have got an invitation there? Just because he spoke in favour of rapid? (It wasn't his idea, of course, and incidentally he points that out specifically in the interview I mentioned and cited from. I don't know what that would have to do with it anyway.) I assume they sent the invitations based on playing strength, which is quite reasonable. Seems like he was just being whiny and bitter once again.

To partially go back on topic on the Kramnik page, here is another thing he says about rapid chess in the interview:

<He [Bronstein] repeats that he has always been in favour of quicker chess, where you have to follow your feeling, your instinct: "That's what I've always had, an immediate understanding of any position I was confronted with. Kramnik says he plays for nuances (pronounced with mocking dignity), which leads to very boring chess. You play a3 and pull a very serious face. If you play quickly you cannot exploit this minimal advantage and this results in far more exciting games. Botvinnik wrote an article about why Fischer beat Spassky. Because he played so quickly. Spassky was used to sit down and relax after every move, but here, boom!, came Fischer's move and there was no time to relax.>

I strongly disagree with this attitude towards the game -- that it turns "boring" if you have time to think.

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: <acirce>

Rapid chess WAS Bronstein's idea, but, as with everything else, someone else will claim credit.

This is why Spassky, in an interview with Susan polgar during the chess Olympiad last year, declared ironically that Morozevich had "invented" the Meran variation in the Slav...

Jun-06-09  acirce: <Rapid chess WAS Bronstein's idea>

Sorry, but this is absurd. In the interview in question, the example he gives is that they played rapid tournaments in the Netherlands already in the 20's. Why do you think it was Bronstein's idea?

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: Maybe I am deeply misinformed.

I like Bronstein and I understand where he is coming from...not only with regards to this, but his views on Botvinnik and the Soviet chess machine I share as well....

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: <acirce: <Rapid chess WAS Bronstein's idea>

Sorry, but this is absurd. In the interview in question, the example he gives is that they played rapid tournaments in the Netherlands already in the 20's. Why do you think it was Bronstein's idea?>

But he championed it in modern times, until it became widely accepted.

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: Bronstein was born in 1924.
Jun-06-09
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  alexmagnus: < he talks about how modern-day grandmasters want to make you believe that only they can play chess well, that it is so difficult, etc....>

kamalakanta, don't turn around Bronstein's words. He says that Capablanca and Alekhine originated the "chess is difficult" statement and not (to quote you) "modern-day grandmasters"

Jun-06-09
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  alexmagnus: As for "chess is easy" of Bronstein: wasn't it Lasker who said "give me an averagely-talented beginner and I'll make him a first-category player in 48 hours"?

And wasn't it Bronstein who said that intelligence is bad for chess and that such chess terms as space advantage are counter-intelligent?

Jun-06-09  visayanbraindoctor: <whatthefat: I studied Lasker's play at London 1899, and compared it to Capablanca at New York 1918, Alekhine at San Remo 1930, Tal at Bled 1959, and Fischer at Palma 1970. The idea was to compare peak tournament performances (as rated by chessmetrics). Admittedly my method was more subjective - it involved me scoring the games based on annotations compiled from my own analysis and analysis by GMs.>

1918 was the year WW1 ended and naturally there was still a scarcity of tournaments. New York 1918 was a double round robin featuring 4 GM caliber players (correct me if I am wrong) - Capablanca, Marshall, Janowski, and Kostic. Capablanca produced 3 incredible tactical masterpieces and 1 nearly perfect endgame, out of the 6 serious classical games in this, the only tournament that he played in.

Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918

Marshall vs Capablanca, 1918

Capablanca vs Janowski, 1918

Janowski vs Capablanca, 1918

It would do well for many kibitzers who adhere to the unconscious thought of "the past masters were weaker because they are from the past" to study these games well. Set up the board, do not peek at the next moves, spend say 5 to 15 minutes per move trying to guess what would be Capablanca's next move. According to Karpov, this was how he self-trained himself when he was a child into playing strong chess. I think Anand has said something similar; he would study the way Capablanca treated the positions that he met OTB.

<whatthefat> In the games above, Capa consistently would play moves that look to me computer-like. I would guess computers would like this version of Capablanca.

Jun-06-09  visayanbraindoctor: <whatthefat: When it comes to these debates of past vs. present greats, one of the really nice things about chess compared with other sports is that the fundamentals of the sport haven't really changed - even time controls are pretty similar today. Furthermore, a game recorded 100 years ago can be replayed as easily as one recorded yesterday. Of course the training methods may have evolved, but that goes for every sport anyway.>

Right.

I believe that it was the advent of the chess clock that regularized tournament and match settings, making chess game conditions a lot less messy and more regular, thus allowing the rise of the super GM caliber player. I think Lasker was the first one.

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: <alexmagnus: < he talks about how modern-day grandmasters want to make you believe that only they can play chess well, that it is so difficult, etc....>

<kamalakanta, don't turn around Bronstein's words. He says that Capablanca and Alekhine originated the "chess is difficult" statement and not (to quote you) "modern-day grandmasters">

You don't know what you are talking about. I am not turning around his words at all, they are from that interview at the end of "The Sorcerer's Apprentice".

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: Bronstein is consistent. The same thing that bothered him about Alekhine and Capablanca, bothers him about present-day grandmasters: Promoting the image that chess is super-hard, only for super-intelligent people, etc. So they can benefit from that.
Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: From that Bronstein interview:

"....They exploit the image created by past generations (maybe he is referring to Capablanca and Alekhine)- that chess is a super-intellectual game, the game of kings. But, in so doing, they have killed respect for all the games played a hundred or two hundred years ago. To believe some "stars", their predecessors couldn't play at all, no one understood anything in chess. Philidor, La Bourdonnais, Morphy, Tarrasch...To them these are just exhibits in a museum of curiosities. Morphy, they snort, only played weak opponents. Maybe, but he played them like a genius!"

"The present "tournament of stars" in rapid chess remind me-forgive me- of the races, where the only point of interest is: who will win the big cash prize? But is that really so interesting? I've been told that when the Shah of Iran visited Britain, he was asked if he would like to see the Derby. "What for," he replied, "I already know that one horse is faster than the other!"'

Jun-06-09
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  keypusher: <1918 was the year WW1 ended and naturally there was still a scarcity of tournaments. New York 1918 was a double round robin featuring 4 GM caliber players (correct me if I am wrong) - Capablanca, Marshall, Janowski, and Kostic. Capablanca produced 3 incredible tactical masterpieces and 1 nearly perfect endgame, out of the 6 serious classical games in this, the only tournament that he played in.

Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918

Marshall vs Capablanca, 1918

Capablanca vs Janowski, 1918

Janowski vs Capablanca, 1918

It would do well for many kibitzers who adhere to the unconscious thought of "the past masters were weaker because they are from the past" to study these games well. Set up the board, do not peek at the next moves, spend say 5 to 15 minutes per move trying to guess what would be Capablanca's next move. According to Karpov, this was how he self-trained himself when he was a child into playing strong chess. I think Anand has said something similar; he would study the way Capablanca treated the positions that he met OTB.

<whatthefat> In the games above, Capa consistently would play moves that look to me computer-like. I would guess computers would like this version of Capablanca.>

<kamalakanta> Nice games. I remember being amazed when I saw Marshall-Capablanca in Panov's book -- Capablanca went into the ending a pawn down and just devoured Marshall. But given that he was in serious trouble against Marshall and probably lost in Janowski-Capablanca, these games aren't exactly convincing proof that Capablanca was the equal of modern masters. How do you think Capablanca would have done against, say, Karpov with those positions?

Jun-06-09
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  keypusher: <While we are leaving the FIDE championship he [Bronstein] embarks on one of his other favourite topics, the alleged complexity of chess. "It's a myth which I believe originated with Alekhine and Capablanca. At that time there were not that many strong players and they were held in tremendous esteem. Which suited them fine, so they began to cultivate this idea of an incredibly difficult game. >

The problem with this is that chess <is> incredibly difficult, at least for humans. There are lots of quotes to that effect before Alekhine and Capablanca were even born. No one needs Capablanca or Alekhine to tell them that chess is hard, or that the sky is blue either.

<"....They exploit the image created by past generations (maybe he is referring to Capablanca and Alekhine)- that chess is a super-intellectual game, the game of kings. But, in so doing, they have killed respect for all the games played a hundred or two hundred years ago. To believe some "stars", their predecessors couldn't play at all, no one understood anything in chess. Philidor, La Bourdonnais, Morphy, Tarrasch...To them these are just exhibits in a museum of curiosities.>

Like, I am sorry to say, a lot of things Bronstein says, this is neither logical nor factually accurate.

First, logic. There is no way you can get from "chess is hard" to "masters in the past were no good". You can say, "chess is really hard and we build on what masters in the past knew to play better." But that doesn't lead to disrespect for old chess masters, any more than knowledge of relativity leads to disrespect for Isaac Newton.

Second, facts. Who are these modern masters who are abusing masters from the past? Would it be too much to ask for a cite or a quote? The earliest example of "disrespect" for masters in the past that I can think of is Larsen, who said (i) he wasn't impressed by most of the Morphy games he saw, which were simply one-sided crushes (he made an exception for one of Morphy's wins against Harrwitz with the Dutch) and (ii) if he could be transported back to the 1920s, he would become world champion. But when I first read Larsen's views, I was struck because it was so different from the hero-worship of past masters I was used to reading.

The other example besides Larsen I can think of was Nunn. As I recall he pointed out that Suechting, who finished in the middle of the pack in the great Carlsbad 1911 tournament, was about 2100 by modern standards. He backed up his opinion with concrete examples and analysis, much as <nimh> does.

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: <keypusher: <While we are leaving the FIDE championship he [Bronstein] embarks on one of his other favourite topics, the alleged complexity of chess. "It's a myth which I believe originated with Alekhine and Capablanca. At that time there were not that many strong players and they were held in tremendous esteem. Which suited them fine, so they began to cultivate this idea of an incredibly difficult game. >

The problem with this is that chess <is> incredibly difficult, at least for humans. There are lots of quotes to that effect before Alekhine and Capablanca were even born. No one needs Capablanca or Alekhine to tell them that chess is hard, or that the sky is blue either.

<"....They exploit the image created by past generations (maybe he is referring to Capablanca and Alekhine)- that chess is a super-intellectual game, the game of kings. But, in so doing, they have killed respect for all the games played a hundred or two hundred years ago. To believe some "stars", their predecessors couldn't play at all, no one understood anything in chess. Philidor, La Bourdonnais, Morphy, Tarrasch...To them these are just exhibits in a museum of curiosities.>

Like, I am sorry to say, a lot of things Bronstein says, this is neither logical nor factually accurate.

First, logic. There is no way you can get from "chess is hard" to "masters in the past were no good". You can say, "chess is really hard and we build on what masters in the past knew to play better." But that doesn't lead to disrespect for old chess masters, any more than knowledge of relativity leads to disrespect for Isaac Newton.

Second, facts. Who are these modern masters who are abusing masters from the past? Would it be too much to ask for a cite or a quote? The earliest example of "disrespect" for masters in the past that I can think of is Larsen, who said (i) he wasn't impressed by most of the Morphy games he saw, which were simply one-sided crushes (he made an exception for one of Morphy's wins against Harrwitz with the Dutch) and (ii) if he could be transported back to the 1920s, he would become world champion. But when I first read Larsen's views, I was struck because it was so different from the hero-worship of past masters I was used to reading.

The other example besides Larsen I can think of was Nunn. As I recall he pointed out that Suechting, who finished in the middle of the pack in the great Carlsbad 1911 tournament, was about 2100 by modern standards. He backed up his opinion with concrete examples and analysis, much as <nimh> does.>

Hey, whatever makes you guys happy; stick with it.

I'll stay with my opinions, you stay with yours. As for proof of which modern masters disrespect the older ones, you'd have to ask Bronstein, and he is dead.

Spassky sarcastically or ironically mentioned, in a video interview with Susan Polgar, about how Morozevicch "invented" the Meran variation (which saw the light of day in 1924!), so you figure it out.

No way I'll know which ones. You have to be in the "locker room" with the masters to know what they think. I was just quoting Bronstein, and I believe what he said is true. End of discussion.

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: You know, you have to do in life what gives you joy.

It does not give me joy to "dissect" the old masters, and try to calculate their "rating". It does nothing for me.

So all of <nimh>'s work in that regard means nothing to me, with all respect to him.

Rating proves nothing, according to Dr. Arpad Elo himself, the inventor of the rating himself!

According to Bronstein (sorry, but he's the man)...the Elo system.."achieves nothing! I have an article by Professor Elo himself who, when introducing his system, added the warning that no conclusions should be drawn from it, that it merely reflected tournament achievements over three years, and that it had nothing to do with a chess player's strength". (The Sorcerer's Apprentice, page 291).

what gives me joy is to look at their games, and marvel at their chess conceptions, and technique as well. and the more I do that, the more I am convinced that these top players of the past would also be top players in the modern era. I really do not see what is so hard about that. Thanks to <visayanbraindoctor>, who has expounded on how such a scenario might be possible.

And since it does not give me joy to discuss this anymore, this is the end of it for me. You can say whatever you want; my mind is made up.

So go ahead and knock yourselves loose with your "logic" and your "facts", which are neither very logical nor factual.

Jun-06-09
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  alexmagnus: The 2100 given by Nunn are not calculated by mathematical methods but was simply an estimation of Suechting's playing level <based on his games in Karlsbad>. So your critics on the Elo system is here out of place.
Jun-06-09
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  keypusher: Don't get mad at me again, <kamalakanta>! :-) And if you want to see examples of someone getting a lot of joy from the games of the old masters, you might want to do a search for "keypusher" and "Lasker" sometime.
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