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Vasyl Ivanchuk
Ivanchuk 
 

Number of games in database: 4,232
Years covered: 1983 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2644 (2631 rapid, 2642 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2787
Overall record: +932 -320 =1416 (61.5%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1564 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (362) 
    B90 B32 B33 B30 B92
 Ruy Lopez (209) 
    C65 C78 C84 C92 C67
 Queen's Gambit Declined (112) 
    D37 D38 D31 D30 D35
 Nimzo Indian (109) 
    E32 E21 E20 E34 E53
 King's Indian (106) 
    E92 E94 E97 E60 E81
 French Defense (104) 
    C11 C07 C10 C05 C03
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (370) 
    B90 B32 B62 B30 B43
 Ruy Lopez (199) 
    C84 C92 C77 C67 C65
 French Defense (125) 
    C11 C18 C07 C02 C01
 Grunfeld (107) 
    D85 D97 D76 D80 D87
 Queen's Indian (105) 
    E15 E12 E17 E19 E14
 Queen's Pawn Game (92) 
    E00 D02 A46 A45 A41
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Ivanchuk vs Shirov, 1996 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kasparov, 1991 1-0
   Kasparov vs Ivanchuk, 1995 0-1
   Topalov vs Ivanchuk, 1999 0-1
   Ivanchuk vs Karjakin, 2008 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Topalov, 1996 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Jobava, 2010 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Morozevich, 1996 1-0
   Anand vs Ivanchuk, 1991 0-1
   Ivanchuk vs Topalov, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Ukrainian Young Masters Championship (1985)
   European Junior Championship 1986/87 (1986)
   Tilburg Interpolis (1994)
   Linares (1995)
   Tilburg Interpolis (1993)
   European Championship (2004)
   Carlos Torre Memorial (2004)
   World Cup (2011)
   Gibraltar Masters (2011)
   World Junior Championship (1987)
   European Junior Championship 1987/88 (1987)
   President's Cup (1998)
   Trophee Anatoly Karpov (2012)
   USSR Army Championship (1988)
   Legends of Chess (2020)

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   Ivanchuk at the Olympics by amadeus
   Ivanchuk is IN by docjan
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   Ivanchuk 100 selected games-Kalinichenko's book by hakkepof
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   Power Chess - Ivanchuk by Anatoly21
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   English: Vassily Ivanchuk Collection by chess.master
   Move by Move - Ivanchuk (Tay) by BrendaVittoria

GAMES ANNOTATED BY IVANCHUK: [what is this?]
   Ivanchuk vs A Graf, 1988

RECENT GAMES:
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   M Pranesh vs Ivanchuk (Apr-27-25) 0-1
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   Ivanchuk vs A Suleymenov (Apr-26-25) 1/2-1/2
   Ivanchuk vs S Lu (Apr-25-25) 1/2-1/2
   N Sarin vs Ivanchuk (Apr-24-25) 0-1

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VASYL IVANCHUK
(born Mar-18-1969, 56 years old) Ukraine
PRONUNCIATION:
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IM (1987); GM (1988); European Junior Champion (1987); Candidate (1991 & 2013); vice-World Champion (FIDE) (2001-02); European Champion (2004).

Preamble and summary

Vassily (Vasyl) Mykhaylovych Ivanchuk was born in Kopychyntsi in Ukraine and has been amongst the world elite players for the last two decades. He has long been a world title aspirant, having twice been a Candidate (in 1990 and 2013), and has won many major tournaments including the annual Linares (4 times) and the Tal Memorial (twice). During past eleven years from 2005 onwards, he has won the Capablanca memorial (a record for their tournament history) 7 times (out of 8 appearances) in which he has participated in it, including one tied share of 1st with Le Quang Liem (before tie-breaks were applied) in 2011.

Ivanchuk was married to IM and WGM Alisa Galliamova until their separation in 1996. He remarried in November 2006.

Tournaments

Ivanchuk was the European Junior Champion in 1987, the same year he received his IM title. His first major international result was in 1988 when he won the New York Open with 7.5/9. Also in 1988, he came equal first at the World Junior Chess Championship in Adelaide, although Joel Lautier won the title on tiebreak. 1988 also saw him win his GM title. He followed these early breakthroughs with numerous successes in a glittering career, including first place at Biel 1989, Yerevan 1989, Linares in 1989, 1991, 1995 and 2009 (shared with Alexander Grischuk), equal first (with Gata Kamsky) at the Tilburg super-tournament in 1990, then first in Munich 1994, Horgen 1995, Corus at Wijk aan Zee 1996, Belgrade 1997, Tallinn 2000, Montecatini Terme 2000 and Malmö 2003.

From 2004, he won: the European Championship (2004), the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2005), the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2006) and the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2007) the Carlos Torre Memorial (2004) in Mexico, Barcelone 2005, joint first in the Canadian Open (2005), and first at the Casino de Barcelona Masters (2005), Tallin 2006, and Mérida 2006. He was runner up at the European Championship (2006), and subsequently won at the Pivdenny Bank Chess Cup (2007), Aerosvit (2007) in Foros, the Montreal International (2007), the M-Tel Masters (2008) with a dominant 8/10 score and a 2959 performance rating, the Tal Memorial (2008) with 6/9, a point ahead of the field, the XXI Magistral Ciudad de Leon (2008) ahead of Viswanathan Anand, and the Bazna Tournament (2009).

His most notable achievement in 2009 was winning the FIDE Jermuk Grand Prix (2009) outright with 8.5/13. In 2010, Ivanchuk won the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2010) ahead of Ian Nepomniachtchi with 7/10 and a 2839 performance and in July, he produced a rating performance of 2911 when he scored 6/7 in the 38th Greek Team Championship A Division. In the category 18 Reggio Emilia (2010) that finished on 6 January 2011, Ivanchuk scored 5/9 (+3 -2 =4) to come =3rd (5th on countback) behind Vugar Gashimov and Francisco Vallejo Pons TPR was 2729. Ivanchuk returned to his full majestic form during the Gibraltar Masters (2011) event, which he won outright with 9/10 (+8 -0 =2) and a 2964 performance rating, ahead of a field that included 55 grandmasters; 9 of his opponents were grandmasters, the other an IM. He followed this up by taking out the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2011), his fifth win in this tournament, with 6.5/10, winning on tiebreak ahead of Le Quang Liem by defeating him in the final round. In October, he came =1st (2nd on blitz tiebreaker) with Magnus Carlsen at the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011), both scoring 15 points under the points system used at Bilbao (3 for the win, 1 for the draw) with 4 wins 3 losses and 3 draws and a TPR of 2818. Then in November, Ivanchuk came 3rd in the Tal Memorial (2011) with 5/9 (+2 -1 =6 and a TPR of 2815) behind Carlsen and Levon Aronian respectively. He started 2012 at the Tata Steel Group A (2012) tournament, placing =5th with 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9; TPR 2807) and then followed up with a couple of wins - his 6th at the annual Capablanca Memorial - at the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2012) and a clear first with 5/6 in the inaugural (and unrated) ACP Golden Classic (2012) which showcased longer classical time limits and adjournments. He won the quadrangular double round robin Kings' Tournament (2012) held in Bucharest in a tiebreaker with Topalov to round out his 2012 campaign.

Ivanchuk started 2013 with his final warm-up before the World Championship Candidates (2013) at the Gibraltar Masters (2013), scoring 7.5/10 to share 5th place, a half point behind the four co-leaders. He led for most of the Gibraltar Masters (2014) and was first on normal tiebreak, however, as first place at Gibraltar is decided by blitz when there is more than one leader on points, Ivanchuk came in third behind the winner Ivan Cheparinov and runner up Nikita Vitiugov. His traditional happy hunting ground in Cuba was disastrous at the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2014) when he came in last with 4/10. He bounced back at the 9th Edmonton International (2014) where he won decisively with 8/9, a half point ahead of Filipino wunderkind Wesley So with whom he drew in their individual encounter. In January 2015, he participated in the Tata Steel Masters (2015), and finished a ratings-boosting 6th with a score of 7.5/13 after leading the event in its early stages. In June, he played in the 10th Edmonton International (2015) in Canada, and placed =2nd behind Pentala Harikrishna and alongside Surya Shekhar Ganguly and Wang Hao.

Match

In match play he won the Ivanchuk - Leko Match (2009) by 3.5-2.5 (+1 =5). Ivanchuk played a combined rapid/blitz match against Anish Giri at the 26th Leon Masters 2013; he lost both the 45 minute (G45) 2-game match with 1 loss and 1 draw and the 4-game G20 rapid match with 3 losses and 1 draw. However, he decisively won the blitz (G5) portion of the match by 7.5-2.5 (+6 -1 =3). Giri was declared the winner of the match as the slower games were given greater weighting than the blitz games.

Rapid tournaments

One of the foremost rapid players of the age, Ivanchuk has won the World Blitz Championship (2007), the Tal Memorial (Blitz) (2008), the Amber Tournament (Rapid) (2010) (with Carlsen) – also joint 1st with Carlsen overall in Amber 2010; a 3 way tie for first at Keres Memorial Rapid (2006) with Rustam Kasimdzhanov and Anatoly Karpov. In rapid match play he defeated David Navara by 5.5-2.5 (+4 -1 =3) in the Cez Trophy (2009) and Peter Leko in Ivanchuk - Leko Rapid Match (2007) by 7.5-6.5 (+3 -2 =9). Ivanchuk immediately followed up his Olympiad triumph in 2010 by winning the final of the 9th Cap d'Agde in France when he defeated Hikaru Nakamura in the final. At the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), he scored 4/10 but won the Latvian Railway Rapid (2014), spreadeagling the field with an amazing 13/14, 3 points clear of runner-up Vladimir Malakhov. He played in the Mind Games staged in Beijing in December 2014, and scored a strong 17/30 to place =5th and boost his blitz rating by nearly 70 points.

National Teams

Ivanchuk has played in fourteen Olympiads up to and including Tromso Olympiad (2014), and won four team gold medals: in 1988 and 1990 playing for the Soviet Union, and in 2004 and 2010, playing for Ukraine. In the 2010 event, he also won individual gold for the top board, scoring 8/10 with a 2890 rating performance, while in 2012 he helped his team to a bronze medal. He has played in eight World Team Championships starting in 1989 and most recently in the FIDE World Team Championship (2015), when he scored team and individual silver for board 2. In total, he has scored 3 individual golds, 2 individual silver and 1 individual bronze, as well as helping his team to 2 golds, 2 silvers and 2 bronzes. His first effort in the World Team Championships was as part of the Soviet team in 1989, but subsequently he has played for Ukraine.

World Championships

Ivanchuk's entry to the World Championship cycle began in grand style when he came equal first with Boris Gelfand, scoring 9/13 at the 1990 Manila Interzonal, a half point ahead of equal third placed Anand and Nigel Short, and qualified for the Candidates cycle. He decisively won the first match, a best-of-eight, against Leonid Yudasin by 4.5-0.5, but lost the second match to Artur Yusupov in the tiebreaker games, 1.5-0.5, after drawing the main match 4-4. Then came the split between FIDE and the Kasparov-led PCA. His next attempt was at the Biel Interzonal (he did not compete in the PCA cycle) where he scored 8/13 to place =10th with five others; unfortunately for him, the only player from this group to qualify for the Candidates was Anand, who came 10th on count back, Ivanchuk coming 14th.

Ivanchuk's next opportunity came with the 1998 World Championship knockout matches held in Groningen to choose a challenger for Karpov. Ivanchuk was seeded into the second round but lost that match to the US's Yasser Seirawan. Seeded into the second round of the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999), he made a clean sweep of his games against Matthias Wahls and Sergei Shipov but then lost his match against Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu in the fourth round rapid game tiebreaker. He fared even worse the following year at the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000) in New Delhi and Tehran, where, again seeded into the second round, he lost to Jaan Ehlvest. Then at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2001/02), he defeated Baatr Shovunov, Bartlomiej Macieja, Emil Sutovsky, Ye Jiangchuan, Joel Lautier and Viswanathan Anand in the preliminary rounds to reach the final against Ruslan Ponomariov Ivanchuk lost the first game of this match, drew the next three, before losing the 5th game and drawing the 6th and 7th games to go down by 4.5-2.5. Following this close miss, Ivanchuk competed in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), winning in the first two rounds against Adlane Arab and Pentala Harikrishna before losing to the eventual winner Rustam Kasimdzhanov.

The breakdown of unification talks, and FIDE's reorganization of the World Championship cycle saw the cessation of the World Knockout Championships. Ivanchuk was not invited to the first stage in this process, namely the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) won by Veselin Topalov, but participated in the World Cup (2005) where he crashed out in the second round to Ivan Cheparinov after beating Alexander Sibriaev in the first round. He fared only slightly better in the World Cup (2007) where he again lost to Nisipeanu, this time in the third round after winning his earlier rounds against Pedro Aderito and Alexander Galkin. At the World Cup (2009), he easily won his first round game against Alexei Bezgodov, before again crashing and burning in the second round to Filipino prodigy Wesley So. Ivanchuk was beside himself after this loss, and announced his retirement from chess, however he recanted this soon afterwards. The World Cup (2011) has seen his most successful effort since the 2002 event, defeating South African FM Henry Robert Steel, Russian GM Evgeny Alekseev, Israeli GM Emil Sutovsky, Chinese GM Bu Xiangzhi in the first four rounds, Azeri GM Teimour Radjabov in the quarter final 25+10 rapid-game tiebreaker, and then losing to Grischuk in the semi-final 10+10 rapid game tiebreaker. He then met compatriot Ruslan Ponomariov in the playoff for third, defeating him by 2.5-1.5 to win a spot in the World Championship Candidates (2013), the first time he has won a place in the Candidates since his =1st result in the Manila Interzonal of 1990. He proved to be extremely erratic at the Candidates, finishing 7th out of 8 with 6/14 (+3 -5 =6), losing a string of game in zeitnot, and yet defeating both the eventual winner Carlsen and runner-up Kramnik.

His 2014 World championship campaign started sluggishly with a mediocre 5/11 at the first event in the 2012-2013 Grand Prix series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012), where his 7th placement earned him only 55 GP points. His 2nd event in the series, the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013), was disastrous, placing last with 3.5/11 and only earning the minimum 10 points. His 3rd event in the series, the FIDE Grand Prix Beijing (2013), was also disappointing, as his =9th knocked him out of contention for the top 2 Grand Prix qualifiers to the Candidates Tournament in 2014. (1)

He was, however, still eligible to play in the World Cup (2013) in August where he defeated Jan-Krzysztof Duda in the first round, US teenager, GM Ray Robson, in the second round and compatriot, GM Yuriy Kryvoruchko, in the third round. He lost to former World Champion, Russian GM Vladimir Kramnik in the Round of 16 (fourth round). Ivanchuk qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) and he defeated Egyptian GM Ahmed Adly in the first round and Maxim Rodshtein in the second round before bowing out of the event in round three following his loss to Dmitry Jakovenko.

The main obstacle to Ivanchuk winning the World Championship has been considered to be his erratic temperament and the occasional tendency to lose critical games. This can be seen from his results against the super elite: although he has defeated all the World Classical and FIDE champions after Robert James Fischer, his only positive career score against this elite group has been against Alexander Khalifman.

Ratings and rankings

Ivanchuk has been rated as high as second in the world - in July 1991 when he reached 2735 behind Garry Kasparov, in July 1992 at 2720 again behind Kasparov, and in October 2007 when he reached 2787 behind Anand. His early rise in the rankings was so meteoric that he was world #10 in 1988 while still an IM. His ratings card graphically demonstrates the roller coaster ride that has been his game over the last few years: http://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?ev....

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012%E2%80%932013 (2) http://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/Elo198...; live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; Part 1 of an interview held on 27 April 2011 with Chess in translation: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...; Part 2 of the interview is at http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...;

Wikipedia article: Vasyl Ivanchuk

Last updated: 2021-11-27 10:21:04

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Ivanchuk vs M Golubev 1-0331983Armiansk ch-Ukr jrE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
2. Ivanchuk vs J Dovzik  1-0251983Ukrainian Team ChampionshipB10 Caro-Kann
3. I Novikov vs Ivanchuk  1-0411983Ukrainian Team ChampionshipD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
4. Ivanchuk vs Shabalov  0-1431983Soviet Army Team ChampionshipE04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
5. Dreev vs Ivanchuk  1-0361984USSR Junior ChampionshipB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
6. Minasian vs Ivanchuk  ½-½461984USSR Junior ChampionshipB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
7. Ivanchuk vs Serper  1-0221984USSR Junior ChampionshipA70 Benoni, Classical with 7.Nf3
8. Ivanchuk vs L B Hansen  1-0471984World Championship (U16)A32 English, Symmetrical Variation
9. Dreev vs Ivanchuk ½-½521984World Championship (U16)A07 King's Indian Attack
10. F Hellers vs Ivanchuk ½-½301984World Championship (U16)B09 Pirc, Austrian Attack
11. Ivanchuk vs T Tabatadze 1-0361985URS-chT (Juniors)B09 Pirc, Austrian Attack
12. Ivanchuk vs Smirin 1-0331985URSB64 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack
13. Ivanchuk vs Dreev 1-0321985URS-chT (Juniors)D31 Queen's Gambit Declined
14. Ivanchuk vs Sergey Rokhanov  1-0321985Klaipeda JuniorsC42 Petrov Defense
15. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk ½-½191985URSC05 French, Tarrasch
16. Serper vs Ivanchuk 0-1241985URS-chT (Juniors)B77 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
17. Oll vs Ivanchuk 0-1381985KlaipedaD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
18. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk 1-0351985USSR Junior ChampionshipB62 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer
19. Ivanchuk vs S Savchenko  1-0471985USSR Junior ChampionshipD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
20. Serper vs Ivanchuk ½-½251985USSR Junior ChampionshipC05 French, Tarrasch
21. Ivanchuk vs Shakhvorostov 1-0311985USSR Junior ChampionshipB87 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin with ...a6 and ...b5
22. D Ruzele vs Ivanchuk  0-1251985USSR Junior ChampionshipD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
23. Ivanchuk vs A Frolov  1-0371985USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
24. Ivanchuk vs M Ulybin  ½-½451985USSR Junior ChampionshipA61 Benoni
25. M Golubev vs Ivanchuk  ½-½211985Klaipeda jr SU-qualC19 French, Winawer, Advance
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Dec-02-08  HolyKnight: How do you cheat at chess with drugs? I suppose certain stimulants would make you think better. But alot of people I know have a Starbuchs before they play.
Dec-02-08  Riverbeast: Frankly I like Chucky's style...And I think people are making too much of a big deal over the fact that he got angry and emotional about losing a critical game, and match.

Thank goodness none of my chess tantrums ever got publicized on the net...Because I've had some doozies!

If someone tried to test me right after I lost such an important game, I would have given them some urine, all right....But not where they wanted it....."I don't need your cup, here's my sample!"

Dec-02-08  ex0duz: Just take a look at Ivanchuk's profile pic. He's stoned for sure!

Also, i know that i love to play a game or two of chess after having smoked marijuana. It makes me more creative, gives me more patience/objectivity and it puts me 'into the zone' and i concentrate better. +)

But that's just me. Overall, testing for drugs is just stupid. Too many things can have an affect on your mentality, and is not just restricted to 'drugs'. Might aswell ban food too, coffee/orange juice, cigarettes, the wife/gf, fide, Wang Yue's tiger balm.. BAN THE WORLD.

Dec-02-08  Riverbeast: BAN IT ALL!

How would FIDE rule in the case of someone who is diagnosed with ADD, and needs to take his prescription adderall in order to concentrate?

This could put him at an unfair advantage, of course...But the player can argue that if he's not allowed to have his adderall, it will adversely affect his chess game!

Then he can run around the table and wave his arms frantically....

Wait a minute...Maybe Chucky has ADD....In that case, he should have been on his meds!

It seems FIDE is fully to blame for Ivanchuk's outburst

Dec-02-08  blacksburg: what exactly are they testing for? i mean, i understand testing for steroids in weightlifting, but is there any drug that has been shown to improve chess performance?

does FIDE think that smoking weed will give you an unfair advantage or something?

why are there even doping regulations in chess? has there ever been an example of a chessplayer cheating his way to a victory by doping?

can anyone name any example of a chessplayer cheating through doping?

Dec-02-08  Riverbeast: <blacksburg> I mentioned this on the Olympics page....That there have been allegations of stimulant use in the past.

I don't like to give it too much credence, because Lev Alburt was not exactly an insider and as far as I know was not close to Karpov during his '84 match...But he claimed that Karpov was on stimulants in the first match against Kasparov (In his Chess Life article "What really Happened in Moscow"

He also claimed that Kasparov was playing for short draws because it was "common knowledge" that Karpov took stiumulants, and he knew that if he dragged out the match as long as possible, Karpov would 'crash'

Alburt also claimed that this is why Karpovs' play got so bad toward the end.

I'm not sure if I necessarily believe Alburt's claims, personally....He was known to make some pretty sensationalistic claims.....In another interview he said GM Joel Benjamin could be as strong a player as Karpov or Kasparov, if he had similar support

I'll give that one a "dubious"...?!

Dec-02-08  shortsight: Drug in physical sport is one thing, but drug in things that require certain skills are absurd. Try pitting drug addicts against chess players. I'll say the one who's doped is Kirsan and his stupid FIDE comittee team.

Another thing is FIDE seem to trap Ivanchuk more than anything. Knowing the guy was angry and throwing tantrum for his lost, why the heck FIDE purposely choose Chucky for the test, knowing that it is most difficult to have an unstable man following orders? Why not the winner, in this case Kamsky?

Dec-02-08  hand banana: it's not that absurd. there <are> drugs that can enhance your mental performance. right now, ritalin is very useful. and more important thing is that certainly in the future there will be more of them, and they will become much better. and with millions of $ in chess, drug testing should become a practice. if you can't handle it, don't be a professional, play chess in parks. let's not forget that these people play for a lot of money.
Dec-02-08  blacksburg: <That there have been allegations of stimulant use in the past.>

1. is there any example of a chessplayer winning a game unfairly, and being disqualified after a positive drug test?

<there <are> drugs that can enhance your mental performance.>

2. is there any scientific evidence that ritalin, or adderall, or any other drug or stimulant, has a significant positive effect on chess performance? it seems to be common sense that a group of coffee-drinking players would defeat a group of sleepy players. is ritalin really gonna help you win more games than coffee?

are we gonna ban coffee?

Dec-02-08  blacksburg: <and with millions of $ in chess, drug testing should become a practice.>

i would agree if i was convinced that any drug would objectively improve the quality of moves that you play. but i don't believe that there is one. obviously, if some chemist invented "alekhin-ol" that allowed users to see 30 moves ahead, that drug should certainly be banned and tested for. but until that drug exists, drug testing in chess seems like an unnecessary violation of privacy.

i'm not convinced that ritalin would improve my rating. i've used ritalin "recreationally" in the past, and while i noticed increased awareness, i was also twitchy and jumpy and wasn't quite thinking straight. i don't think that ritalin, or any other current drug, is alekhin-ol.

Dec-02-08  Phorqt: blacksburg is on the right track here.

Ritalin and adderall certainly might have some positive net effect at least if used properly.

But yes, so could coffee.

Here's the real issue:

The people who put up the money should be able to make any rules they want. They should be able to say "no Ukranians allowed" if they wish. Players may choose to participate or not if invited.

Now my personal opinion is that it is foolish to test in this as well as any competitive environment. There will always be some people willing to try and cheat the test, right?

In order to have a truly level playing field you must abolish all doping rules.

Cuz we're not banning coffee by god...

Dec-03-08  Etienne: "Cuz we're not banning coffee by god... "

And we're certainly not banning Ivanchuk either...

Dec-03-08  blacksburg: <In order to have a truly level playing field you must abolish all doping rules.>

well, i wouldn't go that far. testing for steroids in weightlifting is clearly reasonable. of course, people are going to try to find new undetectable drugs, and there will always be an arms race between athlete's chemists and tester's chemists. but we shouldn't stop punishing cheaters just because cheaters are too good at it.

however, if steroids did not exist, and there were no drugs that clearly improved strength and muscle mass, then drug testing in weightlifting would be absurd.

<The people who put up the money should be able to make any rules they want.>

of course. but the investor should know better than to implement an absurd rule like "no ukrainians" simply because it's bad business. people would choose not to participate in a tournament with absurd rules, and people would not pay to support such an organizer. the investor would lose his money. and IMO, currently, the anti-doping rules in chess are just as absurd as "no ukrainians".

wait a minute. i'm totally wrong about this. if i was right, FIDE would be out of business. oh well.

Dec-03-08  blacksburg: by the way, is there any reasonable person that actually thinks that ivanchuk was jacked up on some super-chess drug or something?

really, does anyone actually think that chucky was cheating?

Dec-03-08  Etienne: Where's Kasparov when we need him!
Dec-03-08  Phorqt: I think it's just as easy to make an argument for anti-doping rules in chess as in any other competetive activity. Like weightlifting for example.

Here goes my devil's advocate strawman:

It is clear that steroid use in weightlifting competition is anti-competitive in that the use of steroids can give competitors an unfair advantage in their body's ability to create muscle mass.

In a like manner, adderall use in competitive chess is also clearly anti-competive in that it allows the user to concentrate with more focus and for a longer overall duration than a non-user.

So let the testing begin right?

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it then becomes possible to justify the prohibition of any number of activities which may give the competitor any edge.

What if someone devises a certain diet (all-natural for the argument's sake) that confers some unforseen and significant advantage in a competitive activity like chess or weithlifting. IS this also to be banned?

Is this not part of the evolution of the game/sport?

Couldn't one also argue that Dr. Euwe's (or Botvinnik's for that matter) pre-match preparation routine was enough of an edge to constitute an unfair advantage? And if so how would we control that?

I'll go back to my point that if everything's fair game then and only then would we have the level field of play.

Ultimately, we must rely on the good sportsmanship and of the competitors and the stewards to protect the integrity of the game.

Dec-03-08  karoaper: Can anyone clarify as to what is the verdict on Ivanchuk? Have they banned him for 2 years already, or is that the likely thing to happen? Is he going to testify and argue his case? Thanks.
Dec-03-08  GreenArrow: <karoaper> Almost certainly sanity will prevail and nothing will be done. Nobody thinks for a minute that he might be guilty, but that isnt really the point anyway. Anand made the sensible point that with computers etc, taking drugs is a silly concept. Some people (FIDE officials etc) are probably pushing for drug testing in a bid to get chess recognised as a proper sport (and general thinking along those lines). Other people (morons) think that players might actually take stimulants of some sort to enhance performance.
Dec-03-08  acirce: Ivanchuk IS guilty. We already know that much.
Dec-03-08  ongyj: Let's just face it: Mind sports and physical sports are different in nature. I'm not even absolutely sure that I want to see Chess recognised as an Olympic sports, neither do I see it as being absolutely positive to chess.

The bottom line is that no way will the chess community allow FIDE to make Ivanchuk a scapegoat here.

Dec-03-08  badest: When one reads some of the comments here ... well, no wonder chess has a problem attracting sponsors. (I've seen very similar doping debate when it comes to shooting events too ... btw, not very physical in their nature).

If one is asked to take a doping test and one skips it - it is the same as a positive test. Being "upset" is not a valid excuse (big surprise!)

Dec-03-08  Ladolcevita: two years????!!!!
I just saw the news in sina,thats so shocking???
What will Ivanchiuk do in the following two years??
Dec-03-08  Valmy: Ivantchuk broke the law. He must be punished.
But a 2 years suspension for a first offense! It's so harsh, and Ivantchuk is not so young. This could mean he will never play again as a professionnal. Fide regulation stated that there will be no harsh punisment for a first offense. So I don't get it. I dont know the rule stating that the penalty will automaticaly be a 2 years suspension.

I though that a kind of trial would take place and decide the punishment.

I do think Iwantchuk should seek for legal advice and hire a lawyer. He may have to sue fide an appear in front of a state court.

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  Open Defence: when it comes to doping tests I guess "Just say no" does not work
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