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| HeMateMe: <TheGadge:>
Reshevsky was not as active a player in later life as VC, but he did tie for 3rd in the USA closed championship, early 80s, I think, at age 70. That's a pretty strong tournament, would include people like Seriwan, benjamin, Christiansen, Browne, Benko, a handful of soviet emigre GMs. I would think Sammy and Vic would be of close strength. |
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Oct-06-09
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| Eyal: <Natalia Pogonina: As Korchnoi once said to an opponent: "Of course, you were winning at a certain point, but to make that move you have to know how to play chess." And then added, shaking his head and hands in disbelief: "How talentless, how talentless!"> (Carlsen vs Wang Yue, 2009) |
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| TheFocus: That Korchnoi could sure be a crusty old b**tard sometimes. |
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Oct-06-09
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| Open Defence: well Korchnoi has seen top level chess for a long time.. he is used to working things out for himself and probably his comments if probably bitingly harsh also have a bit of truth in them.. |
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Oct-06-09
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| jackpawn: I love Korchnoi. What a fighter! And like <TheFocus> said, what a tough old b##tard. I mean it as a compliment! |
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Oct-06-09
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| HeMateMe: Another tuff, older buy---Blackburne, at age 72, beat Zimzovitcsh in St. Pete in 1914. Blackburne gave blindful simuls every year, throughtout England, into his seventies. |
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Oct-06-09
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| keypusher: <Korchnoi and Lasker> They both had very good results in old age, but their careers were quite different. First, Lasker played very little, and Korchnoi plays all the time. Lasker won a strong international tournament aged 55 (New York 1924), finished second aged 56 (Moscow 1925), then didn't play again until Zurich 1934 (age 65). His best result in his 60s was 3d undefeated at Moscow 1935 (age 66) behind Botvinnik and Flohr but ahead of Capablanca. He last played in 1936 and died in 1941 (aged 72). Second, relative to the respective opposition that they faced (a big qualification!), Lasker was considerably stronger than Korchnoi. Chessmetrics ranks him #1 for the first time at age 21 and for the last time at age 57. Though Lasker played infrequently chessmetrics ranks him as the top player in the world for 292 months (= more than 24 years). Korchnoi, by contrast, is rated #1 for just four months in his career. |
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Oct-07-09
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| HeMateMe: One gets the feeling when reading about Lasker's career that it was almost too easy for him. He seemed to drop chess for years at a time, and then started playing again, with strong results, when he was bored or needed prize money. |
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Oct-09-09
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| Caissanist: The four great 70 year-olds in chess history have been Korchnoi, Reshevsky, Najdorf and Smyslov, according to Chessmetrics: http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Play.... I don't always buy into the Chessmetrics rating formula, but in this case when you look at the results for each of those players it's hard to disagree. |
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Oct-09-09
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| Benzol: If the Nazis hadn't come to power would Lasker have played in Zurich 1934, the two Moscow tourneys in 1935 and 1936 and finally at Nottingham 1936? I doubt it somehow. |
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| keypusher: <Benzol: If the Nazis hadn't come to power would Lasker have played in Zurich 1934, the two Moscow tourneys in 1935 and 1936 and finally at Nottingham 1936? I doubt it somehow.> Me too. Nor would he have come back in 1923 except that he was wiped out, like so many Germans, by the great inflation. So his comeback is one good result of the Weimar Republic's ruinous fiscal policy. :-) |
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| percyblakeney: <when you look at the results for each of those players it's hard to disagree> The mentioned Blackburne wasn't bad either. In his 73rd year he drew Alekhine (Chessmetrics #4) and Rubinstein (#1) and won against Nimzo (#5) in the strongest tournament of the year, where he finished 0.5 behind the latter and even with Janowski (#15). |
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| Oct-09-09 |
| nescio: There is also Bernstein who played the follwing magnificent game at age 72: O Bernstein vs Najdorf, 1954. I always thought he also won the tournament. but his bio says he was second. So be it. I wouldn't mind to be just as healthy at that age. |
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| Oct-11-09 |
| kingfu: Please compare and contrast the careers of Korchnoi and Karpov. Karpov won earlier and was Champion. Korchnoi seems to have retained most of his ability. I think it comes from suffering the outrageous slings and arrows of the French Defense! |
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| Oct-17-09 |
| kurtrichards: <Kingfu: Please compare and contrast the careers of Korchnoi and Karpov....Korchnoi seems to have retained most of his ability.> You don't mean Karpov lost most of his ability, do you? |
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Oct-17-09
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| timhortons: korcnoi had unresolved issues in chess, one is to prove he is good, he could have become a world champion, that he miss his break some how to become a world champion thus ending till the end of his days arguing and proving he is the best. karpov is immortal, he become a world champion,what more to prove to the world? korchnoi could jump from one seniors tourney after another winning all the games and karpov could do the same lossing everything but in the end of the day karpov is still the best. |
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| Open Defence: <thus ending till the end of his days arguing and proving he is the best.> end of his days ? dude the guy still plays <FANTASTIC> I hope I have 1/1000th of this guys drive and fighting spirit.. in the end is really about winning tournaments and championships ? Korchnoi's chess is breathtaking
Its fresh, even now.. that to me is an achievement even some of the immortals of the game have not done.. Lasker probably is the only one.. Smyslov perhaps a close third.. |
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Oct-17-09
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| timhortons: i dont mean to be rude on that statement but i feel that korchnoi is employing an unconscious coping mechanism on the past failures he got. the fact that hes still showing and proving things means that this man has a heart bigger and stronger than his mind and body. |
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Oct-17-09
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| alexmagnus: <Second, relative to the respective opposition that they faced (a big qualification!), Lasker was considerably stronger than Korchnoi> Didn't Korchnoi win Biel aged 70? Lasker at 70 was already inactve. |
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| Oct-17-09 |
| kurtrichards: I think he'll be participating in the World Senior Chess Championsip 2009 in Italy. If so, then good luck to you GM Korchnoi. |
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Oct-17-09
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| alexmagnus: Here the crosstable of that Biel 2001:
http://www.chessib.com/biel1crt.html
His opponents were not exactly weak :) |
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Oct-17-09
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| timhortons: my book on kaufman helps me alot, at least it improve my 15 minute game, next book ill get might be either korchnoi or karpov. i just love the carokann. |
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Oct-17-09
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| Open Defence: <alexmagnus: Here the crosstable of that Biel 2001:
http://www.chessib.com/biel1crt.html
His opponents were not exactly weak :)> and second lowest rated of that field, per the link |
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| Oct-18-09 |
| theagenbiteofinwit: The only thing that is more enduring than Korchnoi's results is his unyielding disdain for the Kings Indian. |
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Nov-07-09
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| Caissanist: <korcnoi had unresolved issues in chess, one is to prove he is good, he could have become a world champion, that he miss his break some how to become a world champion thus ending till the end of his days arguing and proving he is the best.> During his 1970s peak Korchnoi always said that Fischer was the best; he would claim that he was second to Fischer. |
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