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|Feb-10-15|| ||Karposian: <HeMateMe: Korchonoi's wife was a convicted spy who was sent to the gulag? First I've heard of this.>|
I remember reading about Petra Leeuwerik in the book "The KGB Plays Chess" by Gulko & Korchnoi et al.
Leeuwerik was a university student in East Germany shortly after the war and got arrested and deported to the Soviet Union were she was later tried and convicted for espionage.
She spent several years in a gulag before being able to return to the West. She met Korchnoi and married him several years later, I think.
I seem to remember from the book that she has always maintained her innocence.
|Feb-12-15|| ||disasterion: Larsen on Korchnoi:
<Korchnoi is fantastic at calculating complex variations, especially when he is hard pressed; but he must analyse because his judgment when he doesn’t calculate is very bad – he has to get through a lot of variations before he knows what’s happening.>
|Feb-15-15|| ||NBAFan: Korchnoi and Uhlmann are currently tied at 1-1. During the first game, Korchnoi slipped into an inferior rook endgame, and lost. However, he made a recovery in Round 2, smoothly outplaying his opponent. The games can be found here:
|Feb-15-15|| ||HeMateMe: Larsen has a respectable record against Korchnoi, losing 6-4 with four draws, in classical chess. Impressive, not many have a good record against the Lazarus Leningrader.|
|Feb-16-15|| ||Andrijadj: Korchnoi played in total 12 world champions (Euwe, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, Carlsen)and won against 9 of them (all above except Kramnik and Anand). If Caruana, Svidler, Grischuk or Topalov ever become a WC (unified title, of course), Korchnoi will have played 13 world champions and have had victories against 10 of them, which is an absolute record.|
|Feb-16-15|| ||Retireborn: <Andrijadj> I regard Korchnoi as the greatest player not to win the world title, and he has won matches against Tal, Petrosian, and Spassky in his time, of course.|
However, worth pointing out that both Keres and Beliavsky can also claim to have beaten 9 world champions, and Beliavsky would probably have been the one to reach 10 had he ever been able to play against Fischer.
|Feb-16-15|| ||perfidious: <disasterion> That interview Larsen gave Hugh Alexander in the latter's book on chess was superb.|
|Feb-16-15|| ||disasterion: <perfidious> Wasn't it brilliant? It's good to find so much of it reproduced in Edward Winter's excellent Larsen piece.|
My copy of The Book of Chess disappeared in a house move several years ago, along with Fischer - Spassky Reykjavik '72; the only Hugh Alexander I seem to have retained is the Penguin Book of Chess Positions.
|Feb-16-15|| ||Andrijadj: Retireborn, I admire Korchnoi very much and, result wise, he is probably the most successful player never to become world champion, but for me, the very best player never to become world champion is and will be Vassily Ivanchuk. Unless he wins it, of course.|
|Feb-16-15|| ||Petrosianic: <Korchnoi played in total 12 world champions (Euwe, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, Carlsen)and won against 9 of them (all above except Kramnik and Anand).>|
12-9 is 3, not 2. But are you sure Korchnoi played Euwe? If not, he only played 11 world champions, and the numbers work.
|Feb-16-15|| ||Andrijadj: Petrosianic, there are no Korchnoi-Euwe games in the database, but I remember an old Soviet book which I had when I was a kid (I think it had been written by Tal's trainer, Alexander Koblenz) where Korchnoi's win vs Euwe from the 50s was annotated. |
Therefore, it was I that made a mistake-wins against 10 champions, of course.
|Feb-16-15|| ||Olavi: <Andrijadj>
It is very unlikely that a Korchnoi-Euwe game exists.
|Feb-17-15|| ||beatgiant: <Olavi>
<It is very unlikely>
On a brief search, the only tournament I found in which both appeared is the Leipzig 1960 Olympiad, although they don't seem to have played each other. Korchnoi was board 3 for the USSR and Euwe was board 1 on the Dutch team.
|Feb-17-15|| ||Olavi: According to olimpbase Korchnoi was board four, plus Euwe skipped the USSR match.
|Feb-17-15|| ||HeMateMe: <but for me, the very best player never to become world champion is and will be Vassily Ivanchuk. Unless he wins it, of course.>|
Would your claim have more merit if Chucky had played in at least one WC match, in his career?
|Feb-17-15|| ||john barleycorn: < HeMateMe: <but for me, the very best player never to become world champion is and will be Vassily Ivanchuk. Unless he wins it, of course.>|
Would your claim have more merit if Chucky had played in at least one WC match, in his career?>
Did not Chucky play Ponomariov in the finals for the FIDE WC? Or that does not count?
|Feb-17-15|| ||HeMateMe: It's a sketchy claim because Pono was not the real world champion; he was just the survivor of one of those giant two-game match tournaments. |
That certainly isn't Chucky's fault. Kasparov split the title by walking away from FIDE. I think most chess fans would agree that Kasparov was world champion, and Ivanchuk would have had to play Kaspy to be considered a WC participant.
Great player, but like Keres, Bronstein, Korchnoi, Aronian and Goldsby, he just wasn't the right player at the right time.
|Feb-17-15|| ||john barleycorn: <HeMateMe: ...
Great player, but like Keres, Bronstein, Korchnoi, Aronian and Goldsby, he just wasn't the right player at the right time.>
Goldsby's time will come when the WC's will stop ducking him.
|Feb-17-15|| ||perfidious: <john b: Goldsby's time will come when the WC's will stop ducking him.>|
You, or anyone else, has a better chance of winning the Powerball for US $10B than of <that> happening.
|Feb-17-15|| ||Eduardo Bermudez: I think that Bronstein had the keys about Korchnoi. If you read his book "Secrets notes", will found the true about the great Viktor.|
|Feb-18-15|| ||Andrijadj: Olavi,
Are you absolutely sure? Perhaps I am wrong but I can definitely swear there was a game. I even remember the opening-poisoned pawn sicilian.
|Feb-18-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Andrijadj,
An interesting detective story you have set before us.
Both Euwe and Korchnoi played a poisoned pawn variation in 1958.
Maybe you read about the Euwe game in the Russian notes. The Korhnoi game is v Tolush
Korchnoi vs Tolush, 1958
This took place in the Russian Championship. Don't know if Koblenz did a book about the event.
The Euwe game played in the same year :
A Dueckstein vs Euwe, 1958
Both games follow each other for the first 11 moves. Euwe notes up his game.
In the notes he does not mention Korchnoi but he does mention recent analysis by Spassky & Tolush.
|Feb-18-15|| ||Olavi: Good catch Sally, such things can easily cause false memories.|
There's no tournament or match that they played together, but of course there may have been exhibition games that do not always find their way into the databases. For example, of the two Sosonko-Euwe 1975 match games only one is in this database.
|Feb-20-15|| ||Andrijadj: Well, I wasn't lazy-I went to my parents' house and managed to find the book in question, "Chess Mastery" by Alexander Koblencs and you are completely right-I made a oversight. The book consists of short study/instructions about middlegame, endgame and opening and in the section about openings Sicilian Poisoned Pawn is also analyzed (the book was written in late 50s). There are three games presented, in this order: Keres-Fuderer, Duckstein-Euwe and Korchnoi-Tolush. It seems I "blundered" Duckstein and Tolush (before yesterday last time I saw that book was some 10 years ago :)) and interpreted an analysis as a Korchnoi-Euwe game. My apologies for the mistake and imprecise information, of course!|
|Feb-20-15|| ||Benzol: It seems that Max Euwe didn't play every player in the soviet elite. As well as missing Korchnoi he apparently didn't play Spassky and I've only seen one game against Tal.|
Euwe vs Tal, 1961
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