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|May-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: <The first two Karpov-Korchnoi matches were competitive and of high quality and deserve to be better remembered than by the rants a of a deranged genius.>|
Yes, but Joshka doesn't consider Fischer to be a deranged genius. He takes Bobby's every word as gospel, including a few words that Fischer didn't even say (see "My 61 Memorable Games Hoax").
You're right about the Karpov-Korchnoi matches, though. The 1974 match is one of the better matches ever played. Most people don't look at games, only at results. So with this match, they look at those 19 draws and look no further. But if you actually play over the games, you'll see a knock-down dragout match with two people trying to beat each other's heads in game after game after game, and being completely evenly matched.
|May-23-14|| ||Joshka: <plang> this is what Fischer claimed the "powers at be" were looking for when they raided his belongings during the Bekins heist. He said he was planning on writing a book on the subject and the notes were stolen from the storage locker.|
|May-23-14|| ||TheFocus: I blame the KGB. They were always out to get Fischer.|
|May-23-14|| ||Rookiepawn: This stuff about "hating your opponent" reminds me of some box fighter who said "To me, the guy in front is just a bastard who wants to steal my kid's food".|
I think this is the downside of professional sport. When you depend on results to survive, then you don't think about the beauty of sport but money. That's also the reason for quick boring draws in chess, or refusal to play against someone you fear, as happened many times in chess history.
|May-24-14|| ||Joshka: <TheFocus> Well KGB and the USSR were smarting after Bobby took THEIR title!!;-)......think of it this way, this is not a perfect analogy but I find it similar.|
Imagine a baseball team in Russia challenging the World Series winner to a 7 game match and winning say in 5 or 6 games!! I hope I live for the day when Cuban baseball teams play in the Major's. When a certain country dominates an activity year after year, then loses it, it creates havoc within that country!! Personally I'd LOVE to see another country compete and win the World Series. Just to show us how silly we have been calling it the World Series for all these years. When they do, THEN it can properly be titled such.
|May-25-14|| ||Mr 1100: At the risk of repeating observations that have already been made, I must note that Korchnoi is the only player I've been able to find on Chessgames.com to have played competitively against Mikhail Botvinnik, Vasily Smyslov, Mikhail Tal, Tigran Petrosian, Boris Spassky, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Alexander Khalifman, Ruslan Ponomariov, Rustam Kasimdzhanov, and Veselin Topalov. Remarkably, he has a plus score against Tal, Petrosian and Spassky.|
This must be an achievement in itself, surely?
|May-25-14|| ||perfidious: <Rookiepawn> For the same streak of ferocity at the board, with a milder demeanour on a personal basis, I should like to call your attention to two players I have known: John A Curdo and Harry Lyman.|
|May-29-14|| ||Strelets: <Mr 1100> Much less equal scores in games with Botvinnik and Fischer. He also beat Geller +11 -6 =16, Leonid Stein +3 -2 =12, Polugaevskii by the considerable margin of +21 -9 =33, Taimanov +9 -5 =22, Larsen +6 -4 =4, Unzicker +6 -1 =4, Najdorf +3 -0 =3, Ljubojević +7 -5 =22, Hübner +15 -13 =25, Lajos Portisch +13 -12 =18, Gligorić +8 -2 =14, Timman +19 -14 =43, Henrique Mecking +5 -2 =12, Uhlmann +5 -3 =7, Sammy Reshevsky +3 -0 =8 [classical games only, source: this site]...|
|Jun-04-14|| ||Mr 1100: <Strelets> Many thanks for the statistics.|
|Jun-08-14|| ||NeoIndian: Take a look at this :)
Btw, who is the person standing at the start of the video?
|Jun-08-14|| ||NeoIndian: Ah. Got it- GM Ljubomir Ljubojević.|
|Jun-16-14|| ||M61MG Wrestler: <petrosianic: a few words that Fischer didn't even say (see "My 61 Memorable Games Hoax").
|Jun-25-14|| ||vkk: Fischer was afraid of Karpov and tried to make him seem weaker than himself|
I'd be afraid too after looking at karpovs style
|Aug-25-14|| ||diagonal: For the third time, chess grandmasters aged 75plus, are invited to the International Pegasus Summit at Dresden as special guests during the ZMDI Schachfestival (Open) Dresden. |
All accommodations were sponsored by Pegasus Residenz, Dresden on the initiative by chairman Dr. Rainer Maas, a chess lover himself. Some grandmasters could not come due to health issues or long transports / journeys, so there was no south or us american grandmaster present (as eg. Benko, Bisguier, Lombardy, or Oscar Panno from Argentina, turning eighty next year). Contrary to 2013, Boris Spassky, born in Leningrad as Korchnoi, unfortunately was absent this year meanwhile Korchnoi was not present at Dresden last year.
IM Andreas Dückstein, from Austria, born in Budapest, is regarded as of grandmaster strength (he was always an amateur player, but nevertheless beat Botvinnik, Euwe and Spassky), the other grandmaster nestors this year meeting at Dresden are Viktor Korchnoi, Mark Taimanov, Nikola Padevsky (Bulgaria), Hans-Joachim Hecht, Klaus Darga, Wolfgang Uhlmann (Germany), Yair Kraidman (Israel), and Fridrik Olafsson (Iceland), who is in a splendid health condition, he gave a clock simul for club players, walking as an athlete.
Look at this picture of Victor Korchnoi together with old friend Mark Taimanov: lucid minds :))
(scroll down and then click on the picture to enlarge)
|Aug-25-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Strelets: <Mr 1100> Much less equal scores in games with Botvinnik and Fischer. He also beat Geller +11 -6 =16, Leonid Stein +3 -2 =12, Polugaevskii by the considerable margin of +21 -9 =33, Taimanov +9 -5 =22, Larsen +6 -4 =4, Unzicker +6 -1 =4, Najdorf +3 -0 =3, Ljubojević +7 -5 =22, Hübner +15 -13 =25, Lajos Portisch +13 -12 =18, Gligorić +8 -2 =14, Timman +19 -14 =43, Henrique Mecking +5 -2 =12, Uhlmann +5 -3 =7, Sammy Reshevsky +3 -0 =8 [classical games only, source: this site]...>|
Among World Champions, this is Korchnoi's record:
Viktor Korchnoi tied Mikhail Botvinnik 1 to 1, with 2 draws
Vasily Smyslov beat Viktor Korchnoi 5 to 3, with 13 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Mikhail Tal 13 to 4, with 27 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian 12 to 10, with 49 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Boris Spassky 21 to 16, with 34 draws
Robert James Fischer tied Viktor Korchnoi 2 to 2, with 4 draws
Anatoly Karpov beat Viktor Korchnoi 31 to 14, with 63 draws
Garry Kasparov beat Viktor Korchnoi 16 to 1, with 23 draws
Vladimir Kramnik beat Viktor Korchnoi 6 to 0, with 6 draws
Viswanathan Anand beat Viktor Korchnoi 8 to 0, with 3 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Magnus Carlsen 1 to 0
Game Collection: Korchnoi vs World Champions Decisive Games
Note however that Karpov was in fact a generation younger than Korchnoi. if we only count the players around Korchnoi's generation, just a bit older or younger, then only Smyslov among World Champions had a positive score against him, and only barely.
Among top players near his age bracket, I think only the puzzling Paul Keres (who like Korchnoi was an Almost World Champion) was able to dominate Viktor the Terrible. In their first 16 games, Keres beat Korchnoi 4 times with no defeats. Korchnoi only managed to win on his 17th and last try when Keres was just a few months from dying of a heart attack in 1975. (Paul Keres beat Viktor Korchnoi 4 to 1, with 12 draws)
|Aug-25-14|| ||Refused: Well, it's kinda tough to dismiss Karpov as simply being from a younger generation. Korchnoi (and others from that <golden generation> were playing competitive well into the 1980s. And Korchnoi played Karpov in two title matches. |
I can see your point though, because Karpov was a good twenty years younger than Viktor the terrible. But then you can also claim Fischer was another generation from Korchnoi. Because Fischer was 12 years Korchnoi's junior.
|Sep-11-14|| ||fisayo123: <visayanbraindoctor> Good post.|
|Sep-12-14|| ||alexmagnus: In Korchnoi's case age hardly matters anything - he peaked around the age at which other top players are long retired. He played his WC matches at 46 and 49, his rating peaked on several occasions between 47 and 50 (chessmetrics gives his peak at 47 btw). That is - when at his <peak>, Korchnoi was older than Anand is now - and many consider Anand kind of a miracle case :D|
|Sep-12-14|| ||Olavi: <visayanbraindoctor> Good post, but again, the newer head to heads on this site can not really be trusted. For instance, Anand beat Korchnoi in Tilburg 1991, izt 1993 and in 1998 and 2000, but the other four wins that are listed as classical games were in fact rapid.|
|Sep-13-14|| ||Penguincw: < In December 2012 Korchnoi suffered a stroke, and it is uncertain if he will be able to return to competitive chess. >|
He may not return to <competitive> chess, but at least he's still playing.
|Oct-21-14|| ||john barleycorn: Spassky on Korchnoi:
<I remember fondly one conversation I had a few years back with Boris Spassky. We were discussing Victor Korchnoi (‘Victor the Terrible’). Boris and Victor had been bitter adversaries for more than 40 years at the time of this conversation, and they had played more than 60 times in official competitions..(including 2 candidates finals)… only Karpov can boast to have played Victor more times.
Boris, at one point, came up with the incredible statement that Korchnoi had every quality necessary to become world champion BUT lacked ONE very essential quality…and it was precisely this quality that prevented him from attaining chess’ highest title. I coaxed Boris on…
He began to list Korchnoi’s many qualities:
…Killer Instinct (nobody can even compare with Victor’s ‘gift’)
…Phenomenal capacity to work (both on the board and off the board)
…Iron nerves (even with seconds left on the clock)
…Ability to Calculate (maybe only Fischer was better in this department)
…Tenacity and perseverance in Defense (unmatched by anyone)
…The ability to counterattack (unrivaled in chess history)
…Impeccable Technique (Flawless, even better than Capa’s)
…Capacity to concentrate (unreal)
…Impervious to distractions during the game
…Brilliant understanding of strategy
…Superb tactian (only a few in history an compare with Victor)
…Possessing the most profound opening preparation of any GM of his generation
…Super-human will to win (matched only by Fischer)
…Deep knowledge of all of his adversaries
…Enormous energy and self-discipline
Then Boris stopped, and just looked at me, begging for me to ask the question that needed to be asked….I asked: ‘But, Boris, what does Victor lack to become world champion?‘ Boris’ answer floored me:”He has no chess talent !”
And then Spassky roared with laughter…>
|Oct-28-14|| ||PhilFeeley: < john barleycorn: Spassky on Korchnoi: >|
I've heard this before, but I'm beginning to think it's silly. So what if Spassky thinks he has no "chess talent" whatever that is. Clearly Korchnoi got to where he did on hard work, and that's nothing to sneer at.
|Oct-28-14|| ||PhilFeeley: BTW: How is the old man these days? I haven't heard any news about his health.|
|Oct-28-14|| ||john barleycorn: <And then Spassky roared with laughter…>|
I think it was exaggeration typically for a joke. Korchnoi himself said that his talent for chess was not up there with others. I have to search for that interview. However, what does this assessment of talent mean? Nothing. Performance counts. And Korchnoi had a strong and long-lived performance.
|Nov-26-14|| ||themindset: <Joshka> Personally I'd LOVE to see another country compete and win the World Series. |
Yeah, even a team from Toronto or something at least.
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