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|Nov-30-16|| ||Muttley101: <HeMateMe: the previous poster was implying that state killings in the USA were somehow on the same scale as in the USSR, and it isn't even close. Stalin killed on a level matched only by Hitler. He was demonic, and he is/was the face of the USSR, for better or worse.|
the USA misdeeds aren't in the same league as what occurred in the old USSR.>
Perhaps you forgot that America exported it's wars to other countries in the latter half of the twentieth century onwards?
|Dec-01-16|| ||HeMateMe: Really? I thought we were defending teenage girls from getting their noses cut off by the Taliban. Those cowards got a little taste of it themselves, right?|
I thought we were preventing the slaughter of Kosovo Albanians.
I thought we were preventing a Russian backed takeover of the entire Korean peninsula.
I thought we were [trying] to prevent a Russian takeover of all of Vietnam.
I thought we were removing Sadam Hussein from power, so he couldn't kill few more hundred thousand people.
What is it that <you> think about?
|Dec-01-16|| ||offramp: < WannaBe: I have long display (100 games per page), if you click on >> for last page, then change the URL's page=23 number.
You will reach game number 2208, VK v LP Lucerne 1985|
Korchnoi vs Portisch, 1985.>
Hmm, I used that clever method, except I changed the url to 89, but I seem to have a different game 2208:
<2208. Korchnoi vs M Van der Linde 0-1 36 1985 NED E12 Queen's Indian>
in other words,
Korchnoi vs M Van der Linde, 1985
The reason I was interested is that after Korchnoi had finished his many challenges for the World Championship, he was not yet at the halfway point of his career.
|Dec-01-16|| ||WannaBe: <offramp> I changed my preference to 25 games, and followed your steps. I reached the same 'midway' point. |
Same VK vs der Linde game as 2208.
Games from 1985 are not well dated, the PGNs have the year, but not the specific month/day.
|Dec-01-16|| ||keypusher: < WannaBe: <offramp> I changed my preference to 25 games, and followed your steps. I reached the same 'midway' point.
Same VK vs der Linde game as 2208.
Games from 1985 are not well dated, the PGNs have the year, but not the specific month/day.>
That this database has the midpoint of Korchnoi's games played coming in 1985, after he'd been a top master for 30 years, makes me think there are a lot of missing games.
|Dec-01-16|| ||BUNA: Kochnoi, Taimanow and Tal appeared in the soviet movie "The Grandmaster" (1972).
|Dec-01-16|| ||offramp: <keypusher> agreed... And from about 1980 computers were used to record games, so not very many are missing, top class ones I mean. And scores are less garbled.|
But there is hope! When I bought Wade's book on Fischer it had about 450 games. But here at chessgames.com RJF has about a thousand. People keep finding them.
|Dec-01-16|| ||offramp: <keypusher> <That this database has the midpoint of Korchnoi's games played coming in 1985, after he'd been a top master for 30 years, makes me think there are a lot of missing games.>|
Also, 1985 to 2015 is thirty years as well, so it's not so odd.
BUT if one had approached Korchnoi in 1985, as he lost to Van Der Linde, and said, Did you know that your career is exactly half over...? What would be have said?
|Dec-01-16|| ||keypusher: < offramp: <keypusher> <That this database has the midpoint of Korchnoi's games played coming in 1985, after he'd been a top master for 30 years, makes me think there are a lot of missing games.>
Also, 1985 to 2015 is thirty years as well, so it's not so odd.|
BUT if one had approached Korchnoi in 1985, as he lost to Van Der Linde, and said, Did you know that your career is exactly half over...? What would be have said?>
Presumably he would have been thrilled, since he was about 55 and would likely have thought his career was much more than half over.
But I like to think he would have decked the questioner anyway.
<BUNA> thanks for that wonderful link. How about the movie, any good? Is the blond guy the Grandmaster of the title? Seems to give off a little bit of a Karpov vibe.
|Dec-02-16|| ||BUNA: <keypusher> I'm glad you liked it.
I've yet to watch the whole movie - fortunately it's freely available online like so many soviet movies. I've only come across it yesterday and peeped in here and there.
The "blond guy" is the famous actor Andrey Myagkov who plays the fictional young grandmaster Sergey Khlebnikov. Myagkov maybe known in the west to some people as the actor who played Alyosha in the famous screen adaptation of "The Brothers Karamazov" (1969) that was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film.
But yes, Myagkov bears at least some visual resemblances of Karpov.
And you wouldn't bevieve it but the grumpy Korchnoi, the "archenemy and victim of the soviet system", played the trainer/second of Khlebnikov, so he appears quite a couple of times on the screen, can be seen in longer verbal exchanges.
One question that comes up in the movie verbatim: "Is it possible to beat Fischer?"
|Dec-02-16|| ||offramp: I believe Korchnoi had aspirations to be an actor but he had a speech impediment.|
|Dec-02-16|| ||keypusher: <BUNA> <The "blond guy" is the famous actor Andrey Myagkov who plays the fictional young grandmaster Sergey Khlebnikov. Myagkov maybe known in the west to some people as the actor who played Alyosha in the famous screen adaptation of "The Brothers Karamazov" (1969) that was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film.> |
Forgive my ignorance. :-) I know almost nothing about Soviet movies. I saw <Moscow Marathon> in college, very good.
<One question that comes up in the movie verbatim: "Is it possible to beat Fischer?" ;-)>
I noticed that when the GM wins at the beginning of the clip one man congratulates him in English.
|Jan-10-17|| ||cunctatorg: Victor Korchnoi had written about this movie at the 1976 (Batsford) edition of his autobiography "Chess is my life" and he believed that the movie suffered from a weak scenario:|
"... In 1972 I happened to do some acting, in a professional studio, for a film. This was a film about chess, and was called "Grossmeister" (Grandmaster). It told of a boy who became a grandmaster, and I played the role of his trainer. The very fact that a film about chess was made was a good thing. But the film itself turned out to be rather poor. It was not by accident that I was praised as being the best actor in the film. After all, I was playing in a professional company, among some really talented actors. It can happen that way; if the script is primitive, then even the actors have no means of expressing themselves. Nevertheless, the film was a success among chess players in the USSR and in Eastern Europe.
My last tournament in this tense year was again in Majorca, in November-December. There was something wrong with me, and I played extremely badly..." (page 84)
Rhetorical: why Victor Korchnoi had characterized 1972 as a tense year? And why a USSR movie about chess during that very year? Well, ...
|Jan-10-17|| ||cunctatorg: <@ BUNA>
Thank you very much!!
I must add that the director of this (perhaps poor) movie had a brilliant idea; in fact he had made the excellent choice to pick up Mikhail Tal, Victor Korchnoi and even the previously "purged" Mark Taimanov as most popular and attractive (or interesting) representatives of the USSR chess professionals!...
It was a joy for me to see these very chessplayers!!... Thank you again!
|Jan-10-17|| ||Joshka: <BUNA> Was that TAL sitting in front of Korchnoi during the plane scene when they were eating???|
|Jan-10-17|| ||Joshka: <cunctatorg> That was also Taimanov as well??...thanks in advance|
|Jan-10-17|| ||keypusher: <Joshka>
Taimanov is the first person to congratulate the grandmaster in the opening scene. I don't recognize the person playing his opponent -- perhaps an actor? I suppose BUNA will know.
In the airplane scene, Korchnoi is seated next to the grandmaster, and it is indeed Tal in the row ahead.
|Jan-10-17|| ||alexmagnus: As for approaching him in 1985 and saying something about his future chess longevity, my words would be - "over 15 years later you'll still win a big tournament" (Biel 2001. By the way, is this the only case of someone winning a tournament of this caliber when aged 70+?)|
|Feb-10-17|| ||HeMateMe: you have to sit down when you're playing this guy, even when he's only 11!:|
|Mar-23-17|| ||TheFocus: Oh for what might have been.
Korchnoi was a great player.
|Mar-23-17|| ||Troller: <offramp: I believe Korchnoi had aspirations to be an actor but he had a speech impediment.>|
Yes, according to Larsen (citing another Russian if I recall correctly), he had trouble pronouncing the word "draw".
|Mar-23-17|| ||perfidious: Larsen would have known all about that particular handicap.|
|Mar-23-17|| ||Retireborn: That's news to me about Korchnoi, but I do recall from somewhere that he once used the word "medician" (in the context of the 1978 match) and people thought he was saying "magician"....|
|Mar-23-17|| ||cunctatorg: Korchnoi was a rare personality among the great players; in my opinion we can't hope for someone compared to him in the visible future.|
|Apr-23-17|| ||mistreaver: My two percent about Korchnoi career, with some key games analyzed in detail: http://www.chessentials.com/best-ch...|
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