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|May-23-14|| ||EdZelli: His poor bed-side manners failed him every time where it counted the most. There was always controversy when he played, such as matches with Karpov, Petrosian, Spassky, etc. Read Robert Byrne's comments about the Karpov match in particular.|
|May-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: You only need to look at the 1977 Candidates Final to see why he never became world champion. He had his opponent beaten like a rug, went to pieces over a minor issue, and nearly blew the match.|
He was one of those players who needed to dislike his opponent to play at full strength. That may be one reason why he had trouble with Huebner. He didn't hate him. (There was controversy in that match, but for once it wasn't Korchnoi's fault).
|May-23-14|| ||perfidious: It is unfortunate that anyone has ever needed to detest one's opponent in such fashion in order to play their best. The thought is anathema to me.|
|May-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: I guess it's the flipside of having a hard time playing people you're especially friendly with.|
|May-23-14|| ||Howard: Regarding the Korchnoi--Huebner 1980 Candidates match, Huebner resigned it after eight completed games, along with two adjourned ones not yet completed. As far as the first eight games, Korchnoi had a one-point lead, plus he had an advantage in one of the two unfinished games.|
The match was supposed to be best-of-16 games, but Huebner complained of inadequate match accomodations, and decided to just resign the match.
Korchnoi made an effort to talk Huebner into reconsidering his decision, but Huebner was adamant. So Korchnoi went on to play a third world championship match with Karpov.
(Well, it was the third match if you include their 1974 match......) Need one say more about THAT match?
|May-23-14|| ||Joshka: <Howard> Well Fischer says that 1974 match with Karpov as fixed as well. No way was Korchnoi going to be allowed to win. But a couple of Fischer/Korchnoi matches would have put chess on the front pages world wide !!!|
|May-23-14|| ||Joshka: Well it's drama that creates interest world wide for chess and usually it's the ying/yang...good/villain...scenario in a Fischer/Korchnoi match you'd have villain against villain in a way!!!LOL|
|May-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: Fischer said that ALL of the Karpov-Korchnoi matches were fixed, move for move. 1978 and 1981 included, after Korchnoi had defected. But it's more plausible that Fischer simply couldn't stand the thought of the world title going on without him and invented a story that it really wasn't that it is that he a) had evidence to believe it was true, and b) kindly withheld that evidence to spare Karpov and Korchnoi's feelings.|
On the other hand, maybe it's a test of your faith. Maybe he deliberately made no case whatsoever for the idea just to see if your faith in him was strong enough to believe it without any. Maybe he had a secret file containing conclusive proof that he planned to make public once the test of faith was over, and it will still turn up one day.
|May-23-14|| ||plang: <Petrosianic: Fischer said that ALL of the Karpov-Korchnoi matches were fixed, move for move. 1978 and 1981 included, after Korchnoi had defected. But it's more plausible>|
Actually, anything is more plausible than Fischer's "accusation" - that he provided no proof, evidence, motive etc. - well, it is just too bad that people keep bringing it up.
The first two Karpov-Korchnoi matches were competitive and of high quality and deserve to be better remembered than by the rants a of a deranged genius.
|May-23-14|| ||Petrosianic: <The first two Karpov-Korchnoi matches were competitive and of high quality and deserve to be better remembered than by the rants a of a deranged genius.>|
Yes, but Joshka doesn't consider Fischer to be a deranged genius. He takes Bobby's every word as gospel, including a few words that Fischer didn't even say (see "My 61 Memorable Games Hoax").
You're right about the Karpov-Korchnoi matches, though. The 1974 match is one of the better matches ever played. Most people don't look at games, only at results. So with this match, they look at those 19 draws and look no further. But if you actually play over the games, you'll see a knock-down dragout match with two people trying to beat each other's heads in game after game after game, and being completely evenly matched.
|May-23-14|| ||Joshka: <plang> this is what Fischer claimed the "powers at be" were looking for when they raided his belongings during the Bekins heist. He said he was planning on writing a book on the subject and the notes were stolen from the storage locker.|
|May-23-14|| ||TheFocus: I blame the KGB. They were always out to get Fischer.|
|May-23-14|| ||Rookiepawn: This stuff about "hating your opponent" reminds me of some box fighter who said "To me, the guy in front is just a bastard who wants to steal my kid's food".|
I think this is the downside of professional sport. When you depend on results to survive, then you don't think about the beauty of sport but money. That's also the reason for quick boring draws in chess, or refusal to play against someone you fear, as happened many times in chess history.
|May-24-14|| ||Joshka: <TheFocus> Well KGB and the USSR were smarting after Bobby took THEIR title!!;-)......think of it this way, this is not a perfect analogy but I find it similar.|
Imagine a baseball team in Russia challenging the World Series winner to a 7 game match and winning say in 5 or 6 games!! I hope I live for the day when Cuban baseball teams play in the Major's. When a certain country dominates an activity year after year, then loses it, it creates havoc within that country!! Personally I'd LOVE to see another country compete and win the World Series. Just to show us how silly we have been calling it the World Series for all these years. When they do, THEN it can properly be titled such.
|May-25-14|| ||Mr 1100: At the risk of repeating observations that have already been made, I must note that Korchnoi is the only player I've been able to find on Chessgames.com to have played competitively against Mikhail Botvinnik, Vasily Smyslov, Mikhail Tal, Tigran Petrosian, Boris Spassky, Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, Viswanathan Anand, Magnus Carlsen, Alexander Khalifman, Ruslan Ponomariov, Rustam Kasimdzhanov, and Veselin Topalov. Remarkably, he has a plus score against Tal, Petrosian and Spassky.|
This must be an achievement in itself, surely?
|May-25-14|| ||perfidious: <Rookiepawn> For the same streak of ferocity at the board, with a milder demeanour on a personal basis, I should like to call your attention to two players I have known: John A Curdo and Harry Lyman.|
|May-29-14|| ||Strelets: <Mr 1100> Much less equal scores in games with Botvinnik and Fischer. He also beat Geller +11 -6 =16, Leonid Stein +3 -2 =12, Polugaevskii by the considerable margin of +21 -9 =33, Taimanov +9 -5 =22, Larsen +6 -4 =4, Unzicker +6 -1 =4, Najdorf +3 -0 =3, Ljubojević +7 -5 =22, Hübner +15 -13 =25, Lajos Portisch +13 -12 =18, Gligorić +8 -2 =14, Timman +19 -14 =43, Henrique Mecking +5 -2 =12, Uhlmann +5 -3 =7, Sammy Reshevsky +3 -0 =8 [classical games only, source: this site]...|
|Jun-04-14|| ||Mr 1100: <Strelets> Many thanks for the statistics.|
|Jun-08-14|| ||NeoIndian: Take a look at this :)
Btw, who is the person standing at the start of the video?
|Jun-08-14|| ||NeoIndian: Ah. Got it- GM Ljubomir Ljubojević.|
|Jun-16-14|| ||M61MG Wrestler: <petrosianic: a few words that Fischer didn't even say (see "My 61 Memorable Games Hoax").
|Jun-25-14|| ||vkk: Fischer was afraid of Karpov and tried to make him seem weaker than himself|
I'd be afraid too after looking at karpovs style
|Aug-25-14|| ||diagonal: For the third time, chess grandmasters aged 75plus, are invited to the International Pegasus Summit at Dresden as special guests during the ZMDI Schachfestival (Open) Dresden. |
All accommodations were sponsored by Pegasus Residenz, Dresden on the initiative by chairman Dr. Rainer Maas, a chess lover himself. Some grandmasters could not come due to health issues or long transports / journeys, so there was no south or us american grandmaster present (as eg. Benko, Bisguier, Lombardy, or Oscar Panno from Argentina, turning eighty next year). Contrary to 2013, Boris Spassky, born in Leningrad as Korchnoi, unfortunately was absent this year meanwhile Korchnoi was not present at Dresden last year.
IM Andreas Dückstein, from Austria, born in Budapest, is regarded as of grandmaster strength (he was always an amateur player, but nevertheless beat Botvinnik, Euwe and Spassky), the other grandmaster nestors this year meeting at Dresden are Viktor Korchnoi, Mark Taimanov, Nikola Padevsky (Bulgaria), Hans-Joachim Hecht, Klaus Darga, Wolfgang Uhlmann (Germany), Yair Kraidman (Israel), and Fridrik Olafsson (Iceland), who is in a splendid health condition, he gave a clock simul for club players, walking as an athlete.
Look at this picture of Victor Korchnoi together with old friend Mark Taimanov: lucid minds :))
(scroll down and then click on the picture to enlarge)
|Aug-25-14|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Strelets: <Mr 1100> Much less equal scores in games with Botvinnik and Fischer. He also beat Geller +11 -6 =16, Leonid Stein +3 -2 =12, Polugaevskii by the considerable margin of +21 -9 =33, Taimanov +9 -5 =22, Larsen +6 -4 =4, Unzicker +6 -1 =4, Najdorf +3 -0 =3, Ljubojević +7 -5 =22, Hübner +15 -13 =25, Lajos Portisch +13 -12 =18, Gligorić +8 -2 =14, Timman +19 -14 =43, Henrique Mecking +5 -2 =12, Uhlmann +5 -3 =7, Sammy Reshevsky +3 -0 =8 [classical games only, source: this site]...>|
Among World Champions, this is Korchnoi's record:
Viktor Korchnoi tied Mikhail Botvinnik 1 to 1, with 2 draws
Vasily Smyslov beat Viktor Korchnoi 5 to 3, with 13 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Mikhail Tal 13 to 4, with 27 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian 12 to 10, with 49 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Boris Spassky 21 to 16, with 34 draws
Robert James Fischer tied Viktor Korchnoi 2 to 2, with 4 draws
Anatoly Karpov beat Viktor Korchnoi 31 to 14, with 63 draws
Garry Kasparov beat Viktor Korchnoi 16 to 1, with 23 draws
Vladimir Kramnik beat Viktor Korchnoi 6 to 0, with 6 draws
Viswanathan Anand beat Viktor Korchnoi 8 to 0, with 3 draws
Viktor Korchnoi beat Magnus Carlsen 1 to 0
Game Collection: Korchnoi vs World Champions Decisive Games
Note however that Karpov was in fact a generation younger than Korchnoi. if we only count the players around Korchnoi's generation, just a bit older or younger, then only Smyslov among World Champions had a positive score against him, and only barely.
Among top players near his age bracket, I think only the puzzling Paul Keres (who like Korchnoi was an Almost World Champion) was able to dominate Viktor the Terrible. In their first 16 games, Keres beat Korchnoi 4 times with no defeats. Korchnoi only managed to win on his 17th and last try when Keres was just a few months from dying of a heart attack in 1975. (Paul Keres beat Viktor Korchnoi 4 to 1, with 12 draws)
|Aug-25-14|| ||Refused: Well, it's kinda tough to dismiss Karpov as simply being from a younger generation. Korchnoi (and others from that <golden generation> were playing competitive well into the 1980s. And Korchnoi played Karpov in two title matches. |
I can see your point though, because Karpov was a good twenty years younger than Viktor the terrible. But then you can also claim Fischer was another generation from Korchnoi. Because Fischer was 12 years Korchnoi's junior.
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