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Vasyl Ivanchuk
Ivanchuk 
 

Number of games in database: 4,276
Years covered: 1983 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2608 (2642 rapid, 2632 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2787
Overall record: +947 -332 =1432 (61.3%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1565 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (363) 
    B90 B33 B32 B30 B92
 Ruy Lopez (212) 
    C65 C78 C84 C92 C67
 Queen's Gambit Declined (115) 
    D37 D38 D31 D30 D35
 Nimzo Indian (111) 
    E32 E21 E20 E34 E54
 King's Indian (107) 
    E92 E60 E97 E94 E81
 French Defense (104) 
    C11 C07 C10 C05 C03
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (373) 
    B90 B32 B62 B30 B43
 Ruy Lopez (199) 
    C84 C92 C77 C67 C65
 French Defense (128) 
    C11 C18 C07 C02 C01
 Grunfeld (107) 
    D85 D97 D76 D80 D87
 Queen's Indian (105) 
    E15 E12 E17 E19 E14
 Queen's Pawn Game (93) 
    E00 D02 A46 A45 A41
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Ivanchuk vs Shirov, 1996 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kasparov, 1991 1-0
   Kasparov vs Ivanchuk, 1995 0-1
   Topalov vs Ivanchuk, 1999 0-1
   Ivanchuk vs Karjakin, 2008 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Topalov, 1996 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Jobava, 2010 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Morozevich, 1996 1-0
   Anand vs Ivanchuk, 1991 0-1
   Ivanchuk vs Topalov, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Tilburg Interpolis (1994)
   Ukrainian Young Masters Championship (1985)
   European Junior Championship 1986/87 (1986)
   Tilburg Interpolis (1993)
   President's Cup (1998)
   Linares (1995)
   European Championship (2004)
   Carlos Torre Memorial (2004)
   Trophee Anatoly Karpov (2012)
   World Cup (2011)
   Gibraltar Masters (2011)
   World Junior Championship (1987)
   European Junior Championship 1987/88 (1987)
   USSR Army Championship (1988)
   Legends of Chess (2020)

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   Power Chess - Ivanchuk by Anatoly21
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   English: Vassily Ivanchuk Collection by chess.master
   Move by Move - Ivanchuk (Tay) by BrendaVittoria

GAMES ANNOTATED BY IVANCHUK: [what is this?]
   Ivanchuk vs A Graf, 1988

RECENT GAMES:
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   J van Foreest vs Ivanchuk (Sep-09-25) 1-0
   Sevian vs Ivanchuk (Sep-08-25) 1/2-1/2
   Ivanchuk vs V S Gujrathi (Sep-07-25) 1/2-1/2
   Ivanchuk vs S Lu (Sep-06-25) 1-0
   V Artemiev vs Ivanchuk (Sep-05-25) 1/2-1/2

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VASYL IVANCHUK
(born Mar-18-1969, 56 years old) Ukraine
PRONUNCIATION:
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IM (1987); GM (1988); European Junior Champion (1987); Candidate (1991 & 2013); vice-World Champion (FIDE) (2001-02); European Champion (2004).

Preamble and summary

Vassily (Vasyl) Mykhaylovych Ivanchuk was born in Kopychyntsi in Ukraine and has been amongst the world elite players for the last two decades. He has long been a world title aspirant, having twice been a Candidate (in 1990 and 2013), and has won many major tournaments including the annual Linares (4 times) and the Tal Memorial (twice). During past eleven years from 2005 onwards, he has won the Capablanca memorial (a record for their tournament history) 7 times (out of 8 appearances) in which he has participated in it, including one tied share of 1st with Le Quang Liem (before tie-breaks were applied) in 2011.

Ivanchuk was married to IM and WGM Alisa Galliamova until their separation in 1996. He remarried in November 2006.

Tournaments

Ivanchuk was the European Junior Champion in 1987, the same year he received his IM title. His first major international result was in 1988 when he won the New York Open with 7.5/9. Also in 1988, he came equal first at the World Junior Chess Championship in Adelaide, although Joel Lautier won the title on tiebreak. 1988 also saw him win his GM title. He followed these early breakthroughs with numerous successes in a glittering career, including first place at Biel 1989, Yerevan 1989, Linares in 1989, 1991, 1995 and 2009 (shared with Alexander Grischuk), equal first (with Gata Kamsky) at the Tilburg super-tournament in 1990, then first in Munich 1994, Horgen 1995, Corus at Wijk aan Zee 1996, Belgrade 1997, Tallinn 2000, Montecatini Terme 2000 and Malmö 2003.

From 2004, he won: the European Championship (2004), the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2005), the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2006) and the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2007) the Carlos Torre Memorial (2004) in Mexico, Barcelone 2005, joint first in the Canadian Open (2005), and first at the Casino de Barcelona Masters (2005), Tallin 2006, and Mérida 2006. He was runner up at the European Championship (2006), and subsequently won at the Pivdenny Bank Chess Cup (2007), Aerosvit (2007) in Foros, the Montreal International (2007), the M-Tel Masters (2008) with a dominant 8/10 score and a 2959 performance rating, the Tal Memorial (2008) with 6/9, a point ahead of the field, the XXI Magistral Ciudad de Leon (2008) ahead of Viswanathan Anand, and the Bazna Tournament (2009).

His most notable achievement in 2009 was winning the FIDE Jermuk Grand Prix (2009) outright with 8.5/13. In 2010, Ivanchuk won the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2010) ahead of Ian Nepomniachtchi with 7/10 and a 2839 performance and in July, he produced a rating performance of 2911 when he scored 6/7 in the 38th Greek Team Championship A Division. In the category 18 Reggio Emilia (2010) that finished on 6 January 2011, Ivanchuk scored 5/9 (+3 -2 =4) to come =3rd (5th on countback) behind Vugar Gashimov and Francisco Vallejo Pons TPR was 2729. Ivanchuk returned to his full majestic form during the Gibraltar Masters (2011) event, which he won outright with 9/10 (+8 -0 =2) and a 2964 performance rating, ahead of a field that included 55 grandmasters; 9 of his opponents were grandmasters, the other an IM. He followed this up by taking out the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2011), his fifth win in this tournament, with 6.5/10, winning on tiebreak ahead of Le Quang Liem by defeating him in the final round. In October, he came =1st (2nd on blitz tiebreaker) with Magnus Carlsen at the Grand Slam Chess Final (2011), both scoring 15 points under the points system used at Bilbao (3 for the win, 1 for the draw) with 4 wins 3 losses and 3 draws and a TPR of 2818. Then in November, Ivanchuk came 3rd in the Tal Memorial (2011) with 5/9 (+2 -1 =6 and a TPR of 2815) behind Carlsen and Levon Aronian respectively. He started 2012 at the Tata Steel Group A (2012) tournament, placing =5th with 7.5/13 (+3 -1 =9; TPR 2807) and then followed up with a couple of wins - his 6th at the annual Capablanca Memorial - at the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2012) and a clear first with 5/6 in the inaugural (and unrated) ACP Golden Classic (2012) which showcased longer classical time limits and adjournments. He won the quadrangular double round robin Kings' Tournament (2012) held in Bucharest in a tiebreaker with Topalov to round out his 2012 campaign.

Ivanchuk started 2013 with his final warm-up before the World Championship Candidates (2013) at the Gibraltar Masters (2013), scoring 7.5/10 to share 5th place, a half point behind the four co-leaders. He led for most of the Gibraltar Masters (2014) and was first on normal tiebreak, however, as first place at Gibraltar is decided by blitz when there is more than one leader on points, Ivanchuk came in third behind the winner Ivan Cheparinov and runner up Nikita Vitiugov. His traditional happy hunting ground in Cuba was disastrous at the Capablanca Memorial (Elite) (2014) when he came in last with 4/10. He bounced back at the 9th Edmonton International (2014) where he won decisively with 8/9, a half point ahead of Filipino wunderkind Wesley So with whom he drew in their individual encounter. In January 2015, he participated in the Tata Steel Masters (2015), and finished a ratings-boosting 6th with a score of 7.5/13 after leading the event in its early stages. In June, he played in the 10th Edmonton International (2015) in Canada, and placed =2nd behind Pentala Harikrishna and alongside Surya Shekhar Ganguly and Wang Hao.

Match

In match play he won the Ivanchuk - Leko Match (2009) by 3.5-2.5 (+1 =5). Ivanchuk played a combined rapid/blitz match against Anish Giri at the 26th Leon Masters 2013; he lost both the 45 minute (G45) 2-game match with 1 loss and 1 draw and the 4-game G20 rapid match with 3 losses and 1 draw. However, he decisively won the blitz (G5) portion of the match by 7.5-2.5 (+6 -1 =3). Giri was declared the winner of the match as the slower games were given greater weighting than the blitz games.

Rapid tournaments

One of the foremost rapid players of the age, Ivanchuk has won the World Blitz Championship (2007), the Tal Memorial (Blitz) (2008), the Amber Tournament (Rapid) (2010) (with Carlsen) – also joint 1st with Carlsen overall in Amber 2010; a 3 way tie for first at Keres Memorial Rapid (2006) with Rustam Kasimdzhanov and Anatoly Karpov. In rapid match play he defeated David Navara by 5.5-2.5 (+4 -1 =3) in the Cez Trophy (2009) and Peter Leko in Ivanchuk - Leko Rapid Match (2007) by 7.5-6.5 (+3 -2 =9). Ivanchuk immediately followed up his Olympiad triumph in 2010 by winning the final of the 9th Cap d'Agde in France when he defeated Hikaru Nakamura in the final. At the Bazna King's Tournament (2011), he scored 4/10 but won the Latvian Railway Rapid (2014), spreadeagling the field with an amazing 13/14, 3 points clear of runner-up Vladimir Malakhov. He played in the Mind Games staged in Beijing in December 2014, and scored a strong 17/30 to place =5th and boost his blitz rating by nearly 70 points.

National Teams

Ivanchuk has played in fourteen Olympiads up to and including Tromso Olympiad (2014), and won four team gold medals: in 1988 and 1990 playing for the Soviet Union, and in 2004 and 2010, playing for Ukraine. In the 2010 event, he also won individual gold for the top board, scoring 8/10 with a 2890 rating performance, while in 2012 he helped his team to a bronze medal. He has played in eight World Team Championships starting in 1989 and most recently in the FIDE World Team Championship (2015), when he scored team and individual silver for board 2. In total, he has scored 3 individual golds, 2 individual silver and 1 individual bronze, as well as helping his team to 2 golds, 2 silvers and 2 bronzes. His first effort in the World Team Championships was as part of the Soviet team in 1989, but subsequently he has played for Ukraine.

World Championships

Ivanchuk's entry to the World Championship cycle began in grand style when he came equal first with Boris Gelfand, scoring 9/13 at the 1990 Manila Interzonal, a half point ahead of equal third placed Anand and Nigel Short, and qualified for the Candidates cycle. He decisively won the first match, a best-of-eight, against Leonid Yudasin by 4.5-0.5, but lost the second match to Artur Yusupov in the tiebreaker games, 1.5-0.5, after drawing the main match 4-4. Then came the split between FIDE and the Kasparov-led PCA. His next attempt was at the Biel Interzonal (he did not compete in the PCA cycle) where he scored 8/13 to place =10th with five others; unfortunately for him, the only player from this group to qualify for the Candidates was Anand, who came 10th on count back, Ivanchuk coming 14th.

Ivanchuk's next opportunity came with the 1998 World Championship knockout matches held in Groningen to choose a challenger for Karpov. Ivanchuk was seeded into the second round but lost that match to the US's Yasser Seirawan. Seeded into the second round of the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999), he made a clean sweep of his games against Matthias Wahls and Sergei Shipov but then lost his match against Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu in the fourth round rapid game tiebreaker. He fared even worse the following year at the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000) in New Delhi and Tehran, where, again seeded into the second round, he lost to Jaan Ehlvest. Then at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2001/02), he defeated Baatr Shovunov, Bartlomiej Macieja, Emil Sutovsky, Ye Jiangchuan, Joel Lautier and Viswanathan Anand in the preliminary rounds to reach the final against Ruslan Ponomariov Ivanchuk lost the first game of this match, drew the next three, before losing the 5th game and drawing the 6th and 7th games to go down by 4.5-2.5. Following this close miss, Ivanchuk competed in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), winning in the first two rounds against Adlane Arab and Pentala Harikrishna before losing to the eventual winner Rustam Kasimdzhanov.

The breakdown of unification talks, and FIDE's reorganization of the World Championship cycle saw the cessation of the World Knockout Championships. Ivanchuk was not invited to the first stage in this process, namely the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) won by Veselin Topalov, but participated in the World Cup (2005) where he crashed out in the second round to Ivan Cheparinov after beating Alexander Sibriaev in the first round. He fared only slightly better in the World Cup (2007) where he again lost to Nisipeanu, this time in the third round after winning his earlier rounds against Pedro Aderito and Alexander Galkin. At the World Cup (2009), he easily won his first round game against Alexei Bezgodov, before again crashing and burning in the second round to Filipino prodigy Wesley So. Ivanchuk was beside himself after this loss, and announced his retirement from chess, however he recanted this soon afterwards. The World Cup (2011) has seen his most successful effort since the 2002 event, defeating South African FM Henry Robert Steel, Russian GM Evgeny Alekseev, Israeli GM Emil Sutovsky, Chinese GM Bu Xiangzhi in the first four rounds, Azeri GM Teimour Radjabov in the quarter final 25+10 rapid-game tiebreaker, and then losing to Grischuk in the semi-final 10+10 rapid game tiebreaker. He then met compatriot Ruslan Ponomariov in the playoff for third, defeating him by 2.5-1.5 to win a spot in the World Championship Candidates (2013), the first time he has won a place in the Candidates since his =1st result in the Manila Interzonal of 1990. He proved to be extremely erratic at the Candidates, finishing 7th out of 8 with 6/14 (+3 -5 =6), losing a string of game in zeitnot, and yet defeating both the eventual winner Carlsen and runner-up Kramnik.

His 2014 World championship campaign started sluggishly with a mediocre 5/11 at the first event in the 2012-2013 Grand Prix series, namely the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012), where his 7th placement earned him only 55 GP points. His 2nd event in the series, the FIDE Grand Prix Thessaloniki (2013), was disastrous, placing last with 3.5/11 and only earning the minimum 10 points. His 3rd event in the series, the FIDE Grand Prix Beijing (2013), was also disappointing, as his =9th knocked him out of contention for the top 2 Grand Prix qualifiers to the Candidates Tournament in 2014. (1)

He was, however, still eligible to play in the World Cup (2013) in August where he defeated Jan-Krzysztof Duda in the first round, US teenager, GM Ray Robson, in the second round and compatriot, GM Yuriy Kryvoruchko, in the third round. He lost to former World Champion, Russian GM Vladimir Kramnik in the Round of 16 (fourth round). Ivanchuk qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) and he defeated Egyptian GM Ahmed Adly in the first round and Maxim Rodshtein in the second round before bowing out of the event in round three following his loss to Dmitry Jakovenko.

The main obstacle to Ivanchuk winning the World Championship has been considered to be his erratic temperament and the occasional tendency to lose critical games. This can be seen from his results against the super elite: although he has defeated all the World Classical and FIDE champions after Robert James Fischer, his only positive career score against this elite group has been against Alexander Khalifman.

Ratings and rankings

Ivanchuk has been rated as high as second in the world - in July 1991 when he reached 2735 behind Garry Kasparov, in July 1992 at 2720 again behind Kasparov, and in October 2007 when he reached 2787 behind Anand. His early rise in the rankings was so meteoric that he was world #10 in 1988 while still an IM. His ratings card graphically demonstrates the roller coaster ride that has been his game over the last few years: http://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?ev....

Sources and references

(1) Wikipedia article: FIDE Grand Prix 2012%E2%80%932013 (2) http://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/Elo198...; live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; Part 1 of an interview held on 27 April 2011 with Chess in translation: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...; Part 2 of the interview is at http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...;

Wikipedia article: Vasyl Ivanchuk

Last updated: 2021-11-27 10:21:04

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Ivanchuk vs M Golubev 1-0331983Armiansk ch-Ukr jrE98 King's Indian, Orthodox, Taimanov, 9.Ne1
2. Ivanchuk vs J Dovzik  1-0251983Ukrainian Team ChampionshipB10 Caro-Kann
3. I Novikov vs Ivanchuk  1-0411983Ukrainian Team ChampionshipD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
4. Ivanchuk vs Shabalov  0-1431983Soviet Army Team ChampionshipE04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
5. Ivanchuk vs Serper  1-0221984USSR Junior ChampionshipA70 Benoni, Classical with 7.Nf3
6. Minasian vs Ivanchuk  ½-½461984USSR Junior ChampionshipB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
7. Dreev vs Ivanchuk  1-0361984USSR Junior ChampionshipB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
8. F Hellers vs Ivanchuk ½-½301984World Championship (U16)B09 Pirc, Austrian Attack
9. Dreev vs Ivanchuk ½-½521984World Championship (U16)A07 King's Indian Attack
10. Ivanchuk vs L B Hansen  1-0471984World Championship (U16)A32 English, Symmetrical Variation
11. Ivanchuk vs Dreev 1-0321985URS-chT (Juniors)D31 Queen's Gambit Declined
12. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk ½-½191985URSC05 French, Tarrasch
13. Oll vs Ivanchuk 0-1381985KlaipedaD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
14. Ivanchuk vs T Tabatadze 1-0361985URS-chT (Juniors)B09 Pirc, Austrian Attack
15. Serper vs Ivanchuk 0-1241985URS-chT (Juniors)B77 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
16. Ivanchuk vs Smirin 1-0331985URSB64 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack
17. Ivanchuk vs Sergey Rokhanov  1-0321985Klaipeda JuniorsC42 Petrov Defense
18. Serper vs Ivanchuk ½-½251985USSR Junior ChampionshipC05 French, Tarrasch
19. Ivanchuk vs Shakhvorostov 1-0311985USSR Junior ChampionshipB87 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin with ...a6 and ...b5
20. Ivanchuk vs M Ulybin  ½-½451985USSR Junior ChampionshipA61 Benoni
21. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk 1-0351985USSR Junior ChampionshipB62 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer
22. Ivanchuk vs A Frolov  1-0371985USSR Junior ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
23. D Ruzele vs Ivanchuk  0-1251985USSR Junior ChampionshipD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
24. Ivanchuk vs S Savchenko  1-0471985USSR Junior ChampionshipD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
25. M Golubev vs Ivanchuk  ½-½211985Klaipeda jr SU-qualC19 French, Winawer, Advance
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Apr-04-14
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  perfidious: <Whitehat1963: By the way, Capablanca also had tremendous respect for Morphy's abilities.>

Bottom line: players of that strength have always known who could play and who could not, by those august standards.

No-one gives a rat-f*** what that supreme carbuncle <Conrad> thinks of these players.

Apr-04-14  N0B0DY: <Agent Bouncy>, <Whitehat1963> LOL

<perfidious <My nomination for a Darwin Award goes to <Conrad>.>> Too good to be true.

Apr-04-14  Whitehat1963: <Conrad>, yes, Morphy and Steinitz would both be GMs today. They had incredible vision. They might learn to be a bit more restrained in some of their choices from time to time, but to assume they didn't have the talent to be grandmasters is incredibly shortsighted and presumptuous.
Apr-04-14  Whitehat1963: And there isn't a single 2200-rated player playing today who is <"far superior to the players of the 19th and early 20th century."> Not a single one. Not even close.
Apr-04-14  Whitehat1963: Kramnik's opinion on the champions:

http://www.e3e5.com/article.php?id=...

Apr-05-14  Conrad93: I could not name several IM's that would crush both Morphy and Steinitz if they time-traveled.

Claiming that they could get the highly difficult GM title is delusional.

See a doctor please.

Apr-05-14  Jim Bartle: <I could not name several IM's that would crush both Morphy and Steinitz if they time-traveled.>

Neither could I.

Apr-05-14  Conrad93: Morphy would be severely restricted by opening preparation.

His brilliance's were based on poor understanding of the opening.

His style of chess would not fit into the 21st century.

Apr-05-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Whitehat1963: And there isn't a single 2200-rated player playing today who is <"far superior to the players of the 19th and early 20th century."> Not a single one. Not even close.>

The world is lucky I'm only 2186, because this statement would be a total lie if I were 2200+.

Those 'players' from back then would be forced to bow before my surpassing genius, which would crush all before it.

Morphy, the 'Black Death', Steinitz--bunch of frigging losers, the lot of them.

Apr-05-14  Jim Bartle: <His style of chess would not fit into the 21st century.>

He seems to have been an intelligent man. Perhaps he could have adapted.

Apr-05-14  Absentee: <Conrad93: Morphy would be severely restricted by opening preparation.

His brilliance's were based on poor understanding of the opening.

His style of chess would not fit into the 21st century.>

I thought they were based on a keen positional understanding that was way ahead of its time.

People who still believe that Morphy was some sort of american Chigorin who threw pieces at his opponents hoping to mate them should really get a clue (playing over his games would be a good start). Or maybe just take up another pastime.

Apr-05-14
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  perfidious: <Whitehat> A most revealing interview with Kramnik.
Apr-05-14  Whitehat1963: <Those 'players' from back then would be forced to bow before my surpassing genius, which would crush all before it.

Morphy, the 'Black Death', Steinitz--bunch of frigging losers, the lot of them.>

<perfidious>, I wish I had your Morphy-crushing chess skill!

If Morphy were alive today, he'd have a 2500 Elo, until he studied. After three or four years to catch up on modern chess through play, books, and computers, he'd be 2700 easy.

Apr-05-14  Whitehat1963: I wish I had such a "poor understanding" of chess openings as Morphy's:

Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858

Apr-05-14  Whitehat1963: Yeah, it's too bad those oldtimers played such an old-fashioned style of chess.

Chigorin vs Blackburne, 1882

Apr-05-14  Whitehat1963: The old guys simply had no talent whatsoever. No vision, no opening preparation, no long-term strategy, nothing:

Charousek vs Pillsbury, 1896

Apr-05-14  Whitehat1963: The old guys just couldn't hang with guys like Lasker, who was simply head-and-shoulders ahead of all his competition:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Apr-05-14  Whitehat1963: For God's sake, they didn't even know how to use pawn formations to their advantage:

Charousek vs Lasker, 1896

Apr-06-14  Conrad93: 2700+?

Now you really are delusional.

Apr-06-14  Conrad93: Only about 45-50 plays have reached the 2700+, and you claim that Morphy would make it to the top?

Morphy's chess would not work in the modern era.

Those daring games in the 19th century don't fit into an era where players can simply analyze a line in under five minutes flat with a computer engine.

Morphy would also have a hard time against the King's Indian or the French.

Apr-06-14  Conrad93: Great player for his time, but he can't realistically be anywhere close to 2700+.
Apr-06-14  N0B0DY: Hooey!
Apr-06-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: "If they could catch up" is not an argument. Conrad says what their games were, not what they would be "if they could catch up".

The IPR method gave between 2100 and 250 to Steinitz's play in his WC matches (the worst in the second(?) Chigorin match, the best in the Gunsberg match).

Apr-06-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: and 2500*
Apr-06-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: As for the entire "if they could catch up" business, it's completely useless. Many of hem wouldn't even bother with catching up - in their times chess was a game, not a profession. Would many of you like to pursue your hobbies (if your were good in them) professionally? Me not.
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