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Vladimir Kramnik
Kramnik 
Photograph copyright © 2007 Milan Kovacs (www.milankovacs.com)  

Number of games in database: 3,250
Years covered: 1984 to 2024
Last FIDE rating: 2753 (2700 rapid, 2670 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +545 -170 =957 (61.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 1578 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (154) 
    A15 A14 A17 A13 A16
 Sicilian (147) 
    B90 B30 B33 B52 B92
 Queen's Pawn Game (109) 
    D02 A46 E10 D05 D00
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E94 E92 E91 E86
 Reti System (101) 
    A04 A06 A05
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D18 D12
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (270) 
    B33 B30 B31 B62 B65
 Ruy Lopez (182) 
    C67 C65 C84 C78 C95
 Queen's Gambit Declined (123) 
    D37 D35 D38 D39 D31
 Semi-Slav (110) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D48
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Nimzo Indian (81) 
    E32 E21 E54 E34 E46
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2001 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 1995 0-1
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (1999)
   Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Belgrade Investbank (1995)
   New York PCA/Intel-GP (1994)
   Hoogovens Group A (1998)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Amber Blindfold (2003)
   Dortmund Open-A (1992)
   World Cup (2013)
   Tata Steel Masters (2018)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Sao Paulo Latin American Cup Open (1991)
   World Youth U26 Team Championship (1991)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   Manila Olympiad (1992)
   Biel Interzonal (1993)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
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   Kramnik - My Life and Games by pacercina
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   Vladi Kramn'd Fredthebear Full of White Russian by fredthebear
   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Vladi Others Earthly by fredthebear
   My Life and Games (Kramnik/Damsky) by Qindarka
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 75 by 0ZeR0
   Vladimir, the Conqueror by Gottschalk
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 50 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion - and former top ranked player in the world - Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000, he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov, then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. Kramnik relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991, Kramnik won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> Kramnik finished equal first in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed second on tiebreak, behind Andrei Kharlov. He came third ex aequo in the Russian Championship Superfinal (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for a share of first and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9.

<World> Kramnik's early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1½-4½, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3½-4½. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3½-5½ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov in the Kasparov - Kramnik Classical World Championship Match (2000) in London by the score of 8½ to 6½ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <"He is the hardest player to beat in the world.">

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko Classical World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2½ -1½ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4½ to 6½ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vasyl Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guaranteed qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vasyl Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund Sparkassen (2007), Dortmund Sparkassen (2009) and Dortmund Sparkassen (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in Linares (2003) (shared) and Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus Group A (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8½ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Grand Slam Chess Final (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund Sparkassen (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund Sparkassen (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund Sparkassen (2015). He saw out the year with equal third, scoring 6.5/9 at the powerful Qatar Masters (2015), half a point behind the joint leaders Magnus Carlsen and the rising Chinese star Yangyi Yu. Kramnik started 2016 with equal third on 5/9 at the Norway Chess (2016) behind Carlsen and Aronian respectively after also coming third in the preliminary Norway Chess (Blitz) (2016) used to determine the draw. Several months later in July he placed =2nd (with 4/7) behind Vachier-Lagrave at Dortmund Sparkassen (2016). Kramnik's year in standard time chess finished with a reasonably efficacious equal third at the London Chess Classic (2016), a point behind the winner Wesley So.

In April 2017, Kramnik was second on tiebreak ahead of co-runners up Wesley So and Veselin Topalov at the category 21 Gashimov Memorial (2017), scoring 5/9, half a point behind the winner Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. Two months later he again placed equal second, this time at the category 22 Norway Chess (2017), scoring 5/9 alongside Hikaru Nakamura, a point behind the winner Levon Aronian.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until Turin Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Dresden Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Tromso Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia. He played board two for Russia in the Baku Olympiad (2016), scoring individual gold for his board, and team bronze with his countrymen.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik participated in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, in 2005 and again in 2015 and 2016. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team in 1998 and 1999, winning team silver in 1999. Since then, he played for NAO Paris in 2005, winning team bronze and for the Siberia Novosibirsk team in the European Club Cup (2015) and European Club Cup (2016) winning team gold in 2015 as well as an individual gold for board 1.

At the Russian Team Championship (2015), Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning gold for that board; his effort also helped his team to win gold. He repeated his individual effort in the Russian Team Championship (2016), this time helping his team to a bronze medal in the double round robin 5-team contest.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2½:1½.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4). From late November to early December 2016, he played a rapid and blitz match against Yifan Hou at the Kings Tournament in Romania, winning both by significant margins, the rapid by 4.5-0.5 and the latter by 6/9 (+5 -3 =2).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14½/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15½/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3½:2½, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.

Kramnik came in equal 5th with 10/15 in the World Rapid Championship (2015), 1.5 points behind the winner Carlsen, and half a point behind the joint runners up Nepomniachtchi, Radjabov and Leinier Dominguez Perez. He followed up the next day with equal second alongside Vachier-Lagrave scoring 15/21, half a point behind the outright winner Alexander Grischuk at the World Blitz Championship (2015).

Ratings

Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter's successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion's successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Group A (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Last updated: 2023-11-23 11:45:25

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-0311984BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-1311984BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-1521985KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-1491986Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
5. Kramnik vs Zhukov 1-0381986BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
6. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-1371987USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
7. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-0321987GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
8. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-0341987GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
9. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-0181987Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-1251987URS-chT U14A52 Budapest Gambit
11. Yakubovsky vs Kramnik  0-1511987URS-chT U14B23 Sicilian, Closed
12. Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-0421988URSB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
13. Kramnik vs Danislian ½-½601988URS-chT U18B15 Caro-Kann
14. M Golubev vs Kramnik 0-1381988URS-chT U18B33 Sicilian
15. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½521989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
16. A V Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-1401989Chigorin Memorial-BB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
17. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½121989Chigorin Memorial-BA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
18. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½221989Chigorin Memorial-BA81 Dutch
19. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½171989Chigorin Memorial-BD39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
20. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½471989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
21. Kramnik vs A Panchenko ½-½601989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
22. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-0371989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
23. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½351989Chigorin Memorial-BB58 Sicilian
24. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-1381989Chigorin Memorial-BB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
25. Kramnik vs Yakovich ½-½141989Chigorin Memorial-BB33 Sicilian
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  kamalakanta: <keypusher: Don't get mad at me again, <kamalakanta>! :-) And if you want to see examples of someone getting a lot of joy from the games of the old masters, you might want to do a search for "keypusher" and "Lasker" sometime.>

It's all right. No hard feelings. Main thing is we all love this great game called chess. Peace to all of you...

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  kamalakanta: <keypusher: Don't get mad at me again, <kamalakanta>! :-) And if you want to see examples of someone getting a lot of joy from the games of the old masters, you might want to do a search for "keypusher" and "Lasker" sometime.>

I just got today my copy of 500 Master Games of Chess, by Tartakover. Looking at it at work, I could not believe how many incredible games it contains, and some spectacular games by masters I had never heard of. Do you have this book?

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  kamalakanta: <alexmagnus: The 2100 given by Nunn are not calculated by mathematical methods but was simply an estimation of Suechting's playing level <based on his games in Karlsbad>. So your critics on the Elo system is here out of place.>

Hi! As Arpad Elo himself says, the Elo rating does not reflect a player's strength, but performance over a given period of time.

Ok, here is one thing that is kind of weird...the rating has become so darn important, that it is a little ridiculous, although I admit it is entertaining.

I go to the Carlsen page sometimes, and it is full of numbers....and people calculating how many points were gained or lost, predictions based on rating,etc.

Let us assume that you are a very strong player. And suddenly a close relative is deathly ill. But, being a professional, you still attend the tournaments you had committed to. You go to the tournaments, but you can't concentrate...you perform poorly, and your rating drops.

Let us assume that your relative's illness continues for the next two years. it depresses you, and you keep playing, but your results are dismal. Your rating drops quite a bit.

Now, you are the same person, with the same knowledge and technique of chess, but spiritually and emotionally you just can't get it together, because of this impending cloud over your head.

This is an example of what professor Elo might be talking about when he says that it does not reflect a player's strength, but rather a performance.

Remember that I was just quoting Bronstein...

Jun-06-09
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  kamalakanta: By the way, I don't seriously think that Morphy was the greatest of all time, although he could have been....I ust wanted to probe and initiate a discussion about the old masters, and how they are seen by today's players.

GOAT (greatest of all time) is a tricky thing.

All I know is that I enjoy exploring chess again, after being retired from the game for 30 years....

From the age of 15 to 21, I studied chess 6 hours a day. My shortcoming is that I did not have a coach, and did not know HOW to study. I lived in Puerto Rico, where there was not at the time any organized training structure, where talent could be nurtured.

I have no regrets, though. I am grateful for the time I spent on chess...and looking forward to enjoying looking at games...

I am considering in the future joining the USCF, but it seems too corrupt at this time. I would like to enter some FIDE rated tournaments in a year or so, after a few months of soaking all the chess I can...

Do you guys play in tournaments?

Jun-06-09  visayanbraindoctor: <kamalakanta> You are implying that ratings are 'overrated', and I agree. Ratings should always be seen in the proper perspective. In fact I think that the hype on ratings, such that it has become one of the main criterion for qualification into the Grand Prix, has actually become harmful to Asian and Latin American players who have little access to rated tournaments.

This is from my post in the Chinese Championship:

"Here are the top 10 from the recent Asian Championship that qualified into the World Cup as enumerated by <Ladolcevita>

1 GM Ganguly Surya Shekhar IND 2625 8,0 2546 2554
2 GM Zhou Weiqi CHN 2563 8,0 2505 2515
3 Yu Yangyi CHN 2433 7,5 2575 2582
4 GM Yu Shaoteng CHN 2504 7,5 2570 2585
5 GM Le Quang Liem VIE 2591 7,5 2545 2551
6 GM Antonio Rogelio Jr PHI 2518 7,5 2529 2544
7 GM Hou Yifan CHN 2590 7,5 2525 2535
8 GM Zhou Jianchao CHN 2635 7,5 2499 2506
9 GM Sandipan Chanda IND 2558 7,0 2577 2587
10 GM Sasikiran Krishnan IND 2682 7,0 2528 2536

There are 5 Chinese, 3 Indians, 1 Filipino, and 1 Vietnamese, which is what probably is to be expected. All of them are of GM caliber, but Yu Yangyi is untitled. All of them are quite strong, but I would expect that most Europeans and Americans have not heard of at least a third of them. Most or all of them are probably underrated, and would have no chances to get into the Grand Prix.

It's quite annoying to think that FIDE would choose two players from the Grand Prix and only one from the World Cup, when some of these guys above are probably stronger than some of the ongoing Grand Prix participants. Now these 10 will have to compete with more than a hundred other players in what I regard as ridiculous two game knock-outs in the World Cup, wherein one unlucky loss in a blitz game would be enough to flunk you out.

FIDE ought to reinstall the more credible and fair, tried and tested format that has worked for generations of chessplayers: the Zonals - Interzonals - Candidates."

This cycle is still ongoing, so the above statement is meant for the next cycle. After this present WC cycle is over, I hope FIDE high officials would do some serious thinking.

Jun-06-09  Augalv: <kamalakanta>, in reference to your quote of the creator of the Elo system, i tend to agree that it does not prove anything, and that it reflects a player's performance over a given period of time, but i think it also reflects a player's strenght.

The only five players that i consider to be <super> elite GMs are Kramnik, Anand, Topalov, Aronian and Carlsen, and they all happen to be the top five players of the live Fide rating list.

This strength reflection shown by the ratings is not that accurate, f.e. Jakovenko is the sixth ranked player in the live rating list and i don't consider him to be the sixth strongest player in the world, much less to be part of the <super elite>. That imo, shows one of the imperfections of the rating system. But all in all, i think it's an interesting a useful tool when it comes to comparing players' strenght.

Jun-06-09  visayanbraindoctor: <keypusher: But given that he was in serious trouble against Marshall and probably lost in Janowski-Capablanca, these games aren't exactly convincing proof that Capablanca was the equal of modern masters. How do you think Capablanca would have done against, say, Karpov with those positions?>

I gave these games as examples as to how strong Capablanca is. I doubt if any one of us kibitzers, even the experts and masters, would be able to survive Marshall's prepared opening. Perhaps not even Karpov could if the Marshall Attack had never been invented, and he met it in a tournament for the first time with Marshall playing Black.

Having said that, I agree with you if you are implying that the 1918 Capablanca was still not at his best. Most of the masters at that time just had to go through WW1 when there were no international tournaments. Capa was probably still out to practice his game and revving it up. In the 1919 to 1922 period, he was even more invincible.

Jun-06-09  Augalv: Regarding Morphy and the debate that has taken place on this corner over the last two days or so about his playing (relatively) weak opponents, i tend to agree that a chess player will be able to find and play more accurate moves against weaker opponents than against stronger ones.

But I'd like to pose a question: has there been any other player in the history of the game who has played almost perfect chess almost every time he faced relatively weaker opponents the way Morphy did?

Jun-06-09  visayanbraindoctor: <Augalv> I agree with <jussu> here. Certainly a long time ago when I was active, I generally played more riskily and dubiously when facing an opponent that I regarded as weaker, rather than go through objectively good but drawish lines. Against players that I knew to be strong, I played more solidly, trying to avoid mistakes as much as possible.

However, if you are implying that it is more difficult to play against strong opponents, you are right. These players rarely made mistakes, and you yourself tried to avoid mistakes.

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: <Augalv>

How about Ivanchuk?

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: <visayanbraindoctor: <kamalakanta> You are implying that ratings are 'overrated', and I agree. Ratings should always be seen in the proper perspective. In fact I think that the hype on ratings, such that it has become one of the main criterion for qualification into the Grand Prix, has actually become harmful to Asian and Latin American players who have little access to rated tournaments.>

This is one of Bronstein's points:

"....This produces an elite group, and ratings are a big help to them in this, enabling them to admit some to their group and reject others. And to keep out a vast number of gifted young people in this way..."

Jun-07-09
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  keypusher: <just got today my copy of 500 Master Games of Chess, by Tartakover. Looking at it at work, I could not believe how many incredible games it contains, and some spectacular games by masters I had never heard of. Do you have this book?>

I do, <kamalakanta>. It is one of my favorites. Today I was playing over O Bernstein vs Lasker, 1914, with annotations by Tartakower reprinted in the Brandreth edition of Tarrasch's tournament book. Truly Tartakower was one of the greatest annotators ever, and a lot of his work has not been translated into English.

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: <keypusher: <just got today my copy of 500 Master Games of Chess, by Tartakover. Looking at it at work, I could not believe how many incredible games it contains, and some spectacular games by masters I had never heard of. Do you have this book?>

<I do, <kamalakanta>. It is one of my favorites. Today I was playing over O Bernstein vs Lasker, 1914, with annotations by Tartakower reprinted in the Brandreth edition of Tarrasch's tournament book. Truly Tartakower was one of the greatest annotators ever, and a lot of his work has not been translated into English.>

What a player! I went to his page, and found this game...played when he was 72! Honest to God, I had seen his name many years ago, but had not paid any attention to it. O Bernstein vs Najdorf, 1954

...and Najdorf was at that time among the top players in the world. He competed in the Candidates Tournament in Zurich, 1953!

Jun-07-09
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  tamar: <visayanbraindoctor:>... <I would like to propose another opinion. Capablanca was probably the laziest of Chess Champions, but for that reason, he probably would be ecstatic with the advent of computers. He would not have to write and carry his chess notes in a notebook. He could easily re-play all recent games for intensive study without going through individual tournament books. I think he would have liked to jump into computers as much as Alekhine would.>

I take your point.

However, Capablanca loses some lustre if you think of him hunkered down with a computer. With him, each game was more an exhibition than a struggle, or so he made it appear.

Anand has many Capa qualities, and is probably our last champion not to have learnt chess without a reliance on computers, so it is feasible Capablanca could have adapted as well.

Jun-07-09  visayanbraindoctor: <kamalakanta:

This is why Spassky, in an interview with Susan polgar during the chess Olympiad last year, declared ironically that Morozevich had "invented" the Meran variation in the Slav...>

Do you have a link to that Spassky interview?

Who invented the Meran; and where is the game?

By the 1930s the Meran had become well known. Even Alekhine and Capablanca had to face it, as in these two well-known games for example.

Alekhine vs Bogoljubov, 1934

Capablanca vs Levenfish, 1935

Jun-07-09
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  alexmagnus: <kamalaknta> I repeat, Nunn's number is <not> an Elo rating (i.e. it's <not> a number, calculated by Elo's algorithms). It's an <estimation of playing level>, expressed as an Elo rating (i.e he looked at Suechting's games, analyzed them, and said that the <level> of his play is <comparable to the level of modern 2100s>). See the dfference?
Jun-07-09
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  alexmagnus: <There are 5 Chinese, 3 Indians, 1 Filipino, and 1 Vietnamese, which is what probably is to be expected. All of them are of GM caliber, but Yu Yangyi is untitled. All of them are quite strong, but I would expect that most Europeans and Americans have not heard of at least a third of them. Most or all of them are probably underrated, and would have no chances to get into the Grand Prix.> 1)I didn't hear of only one player of that list - Yu Shaoteng. The others are not super-well-known but I'm sure everyone heard their names.

2)Grand-Prix is based not on rating. In he current Grand-Prix, the original 21 players were distributed this way:

4 semifinalists of the world cup
6 local heros
7 highest rated players
1 president's nominee
+Kramnik, Topalov,Anand.

And why do you think they are underrated. Look at Wesley So - he hardly played outside of Asia and is rated high (and his perfomance in Wijk this year was about the same as his rating).

Jun-07-09
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  alexmagnus: Also, <visayan>, I don't know of many hypersuccessful Asian players from the old times too. You may come up with two or three, but that's what we have now too (Anand, Wang and, slightly below, another Wang, Ni and Bu).
Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: <visayanbraindoctor: <kamalakanta:

This is why Spassky, in an interview with Susan polgar during the chess Olympiad last year, declared ironically that Morozevich had "invented" the Meran variation in the Slav...>

Do you have a link to that Spassky interview?

Who invented the Meran; and where is the game?

By the 1930s the Meran had become well known. Even Alekhine and Capablanca had to face it, as in these two well-known games for example.

Alekhine vs Bogoljubov, 1934

Capablanca vs Levenfish, 1935>

will send links in about 1.5 hours. gotta go play tennnis now!

Jun-07-09
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  keypusher: <visayanbraindoctor> Rubinstein.

Gruenfeld vs Rubinstein, 1924

Although the concept of ...c6, ...dxc4, ...b5, ...a6 and ...c5 was not new.

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: First of all, here is the link to the interview with Spassky:

http://tinyurl.com/c4qnlg

Jun-07-09  Augalv: <kamalakanta: <Augalv>

How about Ivanchuk?>

Maybe.

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: <keypusher: <visayanbraindoctor> Rubinstein.

Gruenfeld vs Rubinstein, 1924

Although the concept of ...c6, ...dxc4, ...b5, ...a6 and ...c5 was not new.>

And here is what Hans Kmoch has to say after 6...dxc4 in the game

Gruenfeld vs Rubinstein, 1924

(Rubinsteins' Chess Masterpieces, page 125, game no. 66)

"This is the game that introduced the Meran Defense, a creation of Rubinstein. It is indeed treated principally as a variation leading to the Queen's Gambit Accepted, but the continuation is of great significance."

Now, in the video, (http://tinyurl.com/c4qnlg) Spassky, at around 1:46...says that he spoke with Morozevich, who, incidentally, invented the Meran variation, and that Spassky did not know that. He KNOWS that it was invented in 1924, so he is using sharp irony or sarcasm here.

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: Dear <visayanbraindoctor>,

I tend to think that Rubinstein is one of those masters who could be a top-10 player (at least) if he lived in modern times.

I was thinking about his "paranoia". Someone mentioned that he was always feeling like there was a fly near him.

Without knowing much about him, I venture the following possibility...World War I might have to do something with his mental illness...how many million people died in this war? Wikipidea says 15 million. Now consider this...picture 15 millions dead bodies..rotting away...what comes? Flies! Millions of them...I mean , it is true that dead bodies are taken away, but if you have a prolonged battle, it might be days or weeks before you can move the dead bodies, no?

Is it possible that World War I traumatized Rubinstein to the point of insanity? Did he lose any close friends in the war, which could cause extreme sadness, and even severe depression or mental illness?

Jun-07-09
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  kamalakanta: Again, in Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiba_...

they only mention anthropophobia, a fear of people and society...nothing about flies....so there.

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